Who turns the corner first

McGrathsipan

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It's got to happen.
This shite form from everyone can't last forever can it.

Let's look forward to when things get better. And they will. Something has to give .

So who will be the man to turn it around. Will Sancho light up the place against Liverpool?
Will Rashford finally provide the attacking outlet we need soon?

Or will Bruno finally remove his mental block and start playing football again instead of moaning through the games.

I reckon we need to drop Maguire and Shaw and McFred and try to land on a more solid defence and midfield. Once we do that players can relax a bit more and start to express themselves

It's hard to predict which player will drag us out of this mire.

I'm hoping Sancho and Eriksen develop a decent partnership and get us going up front.

Any ideas?
 
I think Sancho will be the first one because he does have more class than the others. The rest, it’s not just form. Their actual ability is in question.
 
Oh a player thread. I thought you were going to ask who between us and Liverpool because obviously it would be us.

Sancho for sure will be better if we give him a RB who can complete a forward pass. I also think if we can settle things down Bruno will benefit and return to his best form, he has been trying to play hero ball ever since the wheels came off last year and I think with increasing competence around him he will feel less pressure to make things happen.

No hope for the likes of Maguire, McTominay, DDG etc. and Luke Shaw needs to never set foot on the pitch for us again.
 
It needs to be a collective effort.

At the moment the depression and head’s going early in matches is contagious. Our lack of confidence is staggering. I think when it does happen it will be a few players feeding off each other’s positive performances.
 
This is the concern....is there anyone in the squad capable of turning it around? I have my doubts. The lack of leadership within the squad is worrying.

Mind you if ever there was a good time to play Liverpool, this might be it. In poor form, injuries and now a suspension. Beating them could be a catalyst for us. I'm sure they are thinking the exact same mind you.
 
Based on performances so far this season Rashford, he got into the positions v Brighton and at least looked half interested in the 2nd half against Brentford

That being said in both games our first big chance has gone to Bruno who's skied both, need him to take the next one

Sancho just looks lost out there, no pace, can't beat a man, cant hold the ball, nothing
 
Elcabron said:
This is the concern....is there anyone in the squad capable of turning it around? I have my doubts. The lack of leadership within the squad is worrying.

Mind you if ever there was a good time to play Liverpool, this might be it. In poor form, injuries and now a suspension. Beating them could be a catalyst for us. I'm sure they are thinking the exact same mind you.
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Unfortunately I watched liverpool tonight and the amount of players sprinting in the 90th minute, chasing the winner with a man down actually depressed me. We're galaxies away from their desire and effort.
 
New players coming in. I stillthink we wilk sign 2/3 before end of the window. Anythings better than the shit show we have now.
 
Players will the best technical abilities will be able to turn the corner first...so that's like 4 to 6 players, yet the have their faults such as injuries, physicality, prone to brain farts, etc. Martial, Sancho, Bruno, Eriksen, Martinez, Maguire, and maybe one of the young players. Shaw has really good technical ability, but he's blows so hot and cold.
 
Many of those names were overrated even when they were "on form". Was always a few pushing for people to look beyond their numbers. Production didn't match the performances they were giving us. The worry was having so many flawed centerpieces would be a disaster. We didn't have to put all our hopes on them.
 
Sancho is a technically gifted player so it can happen any time.

Bruno isn't a mental block is just a shite player.
 
charlenefan said:
Based on performances so far this season Rashford, he got into the positions v Brighton and at least looked half interested in the 2nd half against Brentford

That being said in both games our first big chance has gone to Bruno who's skied both, need him to take the next one

Sancho just looks lost out there, no pace, can't beat a man, cant hold the ball, nothing
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I think Sancho is a luxury player that would be a class act in a high performing team. He will get there.

It has to be someone
 
My top three players I thought would improve the fastest under ETH:
  1. De Gea
  2. Shaw
  3. Fred
I think it’s time I stopped making predictions :wenger:
 
TsuWave said:
Sancho is a technically gifted player so it can happen any time.

Bruno isn't a mental block is just a shite player.
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I don't agree Bruno is a shite player. He's very talented, but he's currently disheartened and devoid of all confidence. The like of Maguire, Shaw, McFred and a number of others just aren't good enough to play for us, but I don't think that applies to Bruno.
 
Salus Populi Suprema Lex said:
I don't agree Bruno is a shite player. He's very talented, but he's currently disheartened and devoid of all confidence.
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What is he talented at (let alone very)? Can't dribble, not particularly technically gifted, not press resistant, weak/not athletic, horrible decision making, comical passing, not pacy.

He can score a pen though, I'll give him that
 
Honestly? Martial will come back from injury and the attack will suddenly click. We'll sign someone for the de Jong role and they will do well together with Fred. Maguire will get an injury and be benched for Varane and Lindelof. Ten Hag will push for us to spend too much on Antony on deadline day.

That is what will happen. When we finally do turn it around this is our team:

Martial
Sancho - Bruno - Antony
"de Jong" - Fred
Malacia - Martinez - Varane - Dalot
De Gea
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At this point we will all be jubilant, until Martial gets injured again.
 
ETH should think what would Johan do in this situation? He would play Eric Bailly as a loose cannon in midfield. The damage he would do to United there is minimal to the damage he could do in defence. The damage he might do the opposition is also crucial. They would not know how to handle him.
 
More chance of the Titanic making a turn than these precious prima-donnas is our squad. Wish PSG were serious and our cub had some sense to cash in on a diminishing asset while they can.
 
Donny van de Beek. When Manchester United send him on loan to some other club in January.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
Sancho if we play him on the left
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Agree, Sancho took off when RR started playing him there. Meanwhile Rashford is really inching closer to losing his starting place twice in the span of 6 months.. ETH should skip the 6 weeks of poor performances and just start Sancho on the left next game. We've already been over all of this just a couple months ago.
 
I think Sancho lacks confidence to make a difference. Rashford is still trying to influence the game (at least during the 2nd half vs Brentford) I reckon his luck will turn for the better.
 
McGrathsipan said:
It's got to happen.
This shite form from everyone can't last forever can it.

Let's look forward to when things get better. And they will. Something has to give .

So who will be the man to turn it around. Will Sancho light up the place against Liverpool?
Will Rashford finally provide the attacking outlet we need soon?

Or will Bruno finally remove his mental block and start playing football again instead of moaning through the games.

I reckon we need to drop Maguire and Shaw and McFred and try to land on a more solid defence and midfield. Once we do that players can relax a bit more and start to express themselves

It's hard to predict which player will drag us out of this mire.

I'm hoping Sancho and Eriksen develop a decent partnership and get us going up front.

Any ideas?
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It will only change when same shit players are not played every game, despite being shit. This is why EtH had to send a strong message after Brighton and should have benched Bruno for DvB, Shaw for Malacia, Maguire for Varane, Fred for Garner, Rashford for Elanga or Garnacho. We could have lost (I don't think we would have) but how much worse than losing 4:0 in the first half to Brentford, could it have been, seriously?

We need a coach with steel balls, and we thought that was EtH, but it is starting to feel like he was "castrated" when he took the job
 
For a guy who grew up on the "gritty street football of London" I don't see a lot of grit from Sancho. What I see is zero threat and aggression. If he does start to show out I presume it will be after an extensive rebuild of his ego which sounds time consuming.

So I think Bruno's gonna be my huckleberry here.
 
Martinez, Sancho and Eriksen.

Really though, it needs to be an overall upswing in performances. ETH has to have time, probably 2 seasons in order to change the personnel enough to implement his style of play with enough effect for us to improve significantly. Our players really are that bad it seems.
 
McGrathsipan said:
Probably three of the 6 that need ejecting quickest
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Not Fred; he’s just not a defensive midfielder and ETH hasn’t done anyone any favours by playing him there.

The other two need to go ASAP. I thought ETH’s management style would get the best out of a talented but high maintenance player like Shaw. It looks like it hasn’t and that’s wholly down to Shaw’s poor attitude.

I also thought De Gea’s worst faults could be coached out of him. We’ve seen this happen before; he was constantly improving and becoming a better all-round keeper until Franz Hoek was sacked. The fact that De Gea was instrumental in his sacking suggested that he thought he was good enough without external help, which was a bit of a red flag.
 
The confidence is so low. Last season really destroyed them mentally. A lot of these should of gone for the club, and their own careers sake this summer.
 
Chief123 said:
I think Sancho will be the first one because he does have more class than the others. The rest, it’s not just form. Their actual ability is in question.
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You're basing that on his form in a much inferior league. He's never been that amazing for England either. It's not just at United.

Will Sancho ever have a season for us as good as Rashford's best ones? I don't even think that's a guarantee.
 
Ten hag will be the man to turn it around

The players might be the difference between 7th and 4th.

The coach and his man management, coaching and tactics are the reason we got trashed by mid / lower table teams.

He is early in his tenure and must have underestimated how physically tough the league is, how high the intensity is.

But he is a very good football mind and will solve the problem I believe, adding players or not. Top four might be tough now given terrible start but we won't be getting thrashed all year
 
Eriksen will be the one who will help turn things around, but we must sign at least 3 more players.
 
FreakyJim said:
Unfortunately I watched liverpool tonight and the amount of players sprinting in the 90th minute, chasing the winner with a man down actually depressed me. We're galaxies away from their desire and effort.
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Good point, I thought instilling that desire would be easier but doesn't look like it so far.
 
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