Who is he referring to?

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Roy Keane has openly criticised his Manchester United team- mates, saying they have not given their all this season and that is the reason they are likely to end up trophyless. Nothing less than victory over Arsenal will keep the Reds' slim title hopes alive but Keane has been greatly frustrated with some of the players at the club this season and thinks they need a good kick up the arse.

"There's a lot of cover-ups sometimes and players need to stand up and be counted" said Keane. "I'm not sure that happens a lot at this club."

"That's the least we should be doing, we shouldn't have to demand it from the players, they should be proud to play for Manchester United and giving 100 percent."

"We're not asking the players to perform miracles, we're asking them to do what they should be doing."

"When players don't do that it's bloody frustrating. We're going to find it hard to win the league, and if we end up with no trophies there's something wrong."

"We need to put on a good performance against Arsenal, we need to repair the damage done. We should be winning European Cups, but good players don't necessarily make good teams. We've not done the business, simple as that."

Its hard for SAF and Kenyon to say there has been no bust-ups, when Keano comes out with something like that. If its not Veron he's on about, then who is it? Last year he said some players just weren't good enough, and now this year he says some players haven't tried hard enough. Obviously Yorke would be a candidate, but he's not even played! Who's left in the 1st team for him to blame? Not nicky or scholes I'd say, because they have always shown great commitment. Giggs has been his usual inconsistent self, fabulous one match, invisible the next - but I'm not sure that this is a question of desire, rather injury and position. Becks? Hardly. Some people on this site were questioning his desire earlier in the season, but after his rest he showed how much United mean to him. Certainly not Ole or Ruud. That only leaves the defence and keeper.
 
that's bloody easy....grand master ferguson....completely lost his marbles, the old goat <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

ohhh come on...why does every fecking thing have to be about SOMEONE?!?!....keano's spot on...the desire just wasn't there this season, from EVERYONE at some time or the other...
 
Originally posted by jedi master yoda:
<strong>that's bloody easy....grand master ferguson....completely lost his marbles, the old goat <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

ohhh come on...why does every fecking thing have to be about SOMEONE?!?!....keano's spot on...the desire just wasn't there this season, from EVERYONE at some time or the other...</strong><hr></blockquote>
He didn't sound like he was including himself in that statement.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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He didn't sound like he was including himself in that statement.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nor should he!!!
 
:D I feel quite honoured. Several times during transfer speculation topics, I've made the point that eleven world class players wouldn't necessarily make a good team.

And Keano just said more or less the same thing.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong> :D I feel quite honoured. Several times during transfer speculation topics, I've made the point that eleven world class players wouldn't necessarily make a good team.

And Keano just said more or less the same thing.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Livvie20, are you Keano in disguise???

;)
 
Veron, Veron, Veron and Veron.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong> :D I feel quite honoured. Several times during transfer speculation topics, I've made the point that eleven world class players wouldn't necessarily make a good team.

And Keano just said more or less the same thing.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Its the managers job to get the best out of the players at his disposal, something which SAF didn't manage to do this year with Veron, despite trying practically everything imaginable, including centre back! It is down to Alex that our players have had their phenomenal hunger over the years, and it's down to Alex when they don't show it (coming out for second half against Bayer). Mind you, its harder when you haven't had the player since they were a boy - when buying a player its important to judge their character. Ruud for example has great hunger and work-rate.
 
Originally posted by Floyd:
<strong>

Livvie20, are you Keano in disguise???

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

OK. It's a fair cop.

So treat me with respect.
 
NT,
why ask the question if you've already decided he's talking about JSV?

The fact that Scholesy & Giggsy have performed way under par this season too, without any flack, makes no difference eh? Is it possible Keano was talking about them too?

I respect Roy Keane, so, I think if he had a problem with 'one' player as your post, imo, is insinuating, he'd come out and say it rather than blanket it in comments like this ...
<strong>"There's a lot of cover-ups sometimes and players need to stand up and be counted"

"I'm not sure that happens a lot at this club." </strong><hr></blockquote>... That'd be kinda hypocritical wouldn't it? Saying there's a lot of cover-ups then not singling out the 'player' he's on about!

I think Keano is a wildly driven man, he's finding our CL exit hard to take and because of this, he's venting in the press.

I'm sure Seba is on his mind, but, I venture to say that there are some others too.
 
Possibly he is upset with Barthez who goes clubbing with "Disco" on a regular basis.
 
As usual, Keano cuts through the self-delusion, delusion and plain old bullshit.

Manchester United played some poor games this season and as captain he cannot deny that as it has cost us very dearly. I don`t think Keano is necessarily making any one a scapegoat - he is facing facts per usual.

Arsenal have been the better and more consistent team in the Premiership. However, when the Red Devils lose some winnable games and have some real off-form games, then maybe having expensive players is not the answer. Ruud is an exception.

I don`t think Keano is singling out Veron - I think he is making an undoubtedly true statement regarding the fact that a squad of Manchester United`s quality underperformed when it needed to do the reverse.

I reckon Keano would be happy if we started to emphasise youth again - and I would be too. We lost Danny Higginboth to Derby but we should not have. He left because of limited chances but I believe a mistake was made in not giving him his real opportunity.

Keano, Keano, Keano, Keano, Keano, Keano, Keano ad infinitum! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
Keane said something similar the previous time we went out of the CL. I think the man is just a bit disappointed he may never play in a CL Final. I love and respect the man, but sometimes I feel (although captains have a duty to speak out) he should keep some things to himself.
 
Players who have let themselves down at some point during the season:

1) Becks
2) Giggs
3) Scholes
4) Veron
5) Barthez

I agree with Yoda, at some point of the season or other, quite a lot of the team played badly, but since the beginning of this year, they have been outstanding with their redeeming performances.
 
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>Keane said something similar the previous time we went out of the CL. I think the man is just a bit disappointed he may never play in a CL Final. I love and respect the man, but sometimes I feel (although captains have a duty to speak out) he should keep some things to himself.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Cnutin hell..I'm inclined to agree with Gazza..

Its surely a skipper's role to prevent players from "hiding" etc...why hasn't he addressed this if it has been such a concern? And if he has why hasn't he been able to change things if he's the leader that he is thought to be..

If players are bottling it the captain and manager should be doing something about it..


But Keane's happy to shout his mouth off to the press who Demento hates...

Whilst the average Keane loving Manc takes his words for gospel and starts looking for scapegoats..

Good work captain
 
Originally posted by True Treble Reds:
<strong>NT,
why ask the question if you've already decided he's talking about JSV?

The fact that Scholesy & Giggsy have performed way under par this season too, without any flack, makes no difference eh? Is it possible Keano was talking about them too?

I respect Roy Keane, so, I think if he had a problem with 'one' player as your post, imo, is insinuating, he'd come out and say it rather than blanket it in comments like this ... ... That'd be kinda hypocritical wouldn't it? Saying there's a lot of cover-ups then not singling out the 'player' he's on about!

I think Keano is a wildly driven man, he's finding our CL exit hard to take and because of this, he's venting in the press.

I'm sure Seba is on his mind, but, I venture to say that there are some others too.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Try re-reading my first post mate, I don't single out Veron at all.
 
By our standards we have had a poor season, it happens, we simply can't win something every year. We need a better back four, simple as that.

I think Keano has every right to have a go, perhaps it's kicking a few up the arse and getting them fired up, a bit of kidology that he's picked up from Fergie. I suspect it's nothing more than that.
 
he's obviously got JSV in his sights. Giggs shouldn't feel too comfortable either.
 
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>Keane said something similar the previous time we went out of the CL. I think the man is just a bit disappointed he may never play in a CL Final. I love and respect the man, but sometimes I feel (although captains have a duty to speak out) he should keep some things to himself.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I like him to speak out though. As the captain and the leader of this team, he is certainly doing a right thing to speak out something he doesn't feel right. Without him saying the truth the players may just hide in their shells and regard all critizes from media and football fans as hostile or ridiculous.
 
Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>Cnutin hell..I'm inclined to agree with Gazza..</strong><hr></blockquote>

In 8000 posts, chaos theory suggests it should happen at least once.
 
<a href="http://www.ananova.com/sport/soccer/story/sm_583395.html?menu=sport.football" target="_blank">Keano has an unexpected effect on his teamates</a>

Check the headline
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Its hard for SAF and Kenyon to say there has been no bust-ups, when Keano comes out with something like that. If its not Veron he's on about, then who is it? Last year he said some players just weren't good enough, and now this year he says some players haven't tried hard enough. Obviously Yorke would be a candidate, but he's not even played! Who's left in the 1st team for him to blame? Not nicky or scholes I'd say, because they have always shown great commitment. Giggs has been his usual inconsistent self, fabulous one match, invisible the next - but I'm not sure that this is a question of desire, rather injury and position. Becks? Hardly. Some people on this site were questioning his desire earlier in the season, but after his rest he showed how much United mean to him. Certainly not Ole or Ruud. That only leaves the defence and keeper.</strong><hr></blockquote>

very probable: Veron, Barthez, Brown
probable: Gaz, Phil, Scholes, Becks
unlikely: Giggs, Silverstre, Butt, Blanc
impossible: Ruud, Ole, and... Keano
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Try re-reading my first post mate, I don't single out Veron at all.</strong><hr></blockquote>Maybe you didn't single him out but you eliminated all but the defence and keeper right?

I did say I thought you were 'insinuating' he meant Seba ..... Evidentally, I was wrong :o

Whatever, it makes no odds as we wont know until he writes his book anyway <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
 
Originally posted by uranushk1:
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very probable: Veron, Barthez, Brown
probable: Gaz, Phil, Scholes, Becks
unlikely: Giggs, Silverstre, Butt, Blanc
impossible: Ruud, Ole, and... Keano</strong><hr></blockquote>
Probably about right. I certainly don't think he was commenting on just the Bayer games, but rather a whole season in the Prem. In the Bayer game we had a lot of players carrying injuries, Ruud was knackered and isolated due to tactics, Giggs, Veron and Scholes weren't in their best positions at times, as well. Sadly this is down to the manager, and board (for not sanctioning the PDC move - false economy).
 
He did have a pop at RVN earlier in the season as Ruud had to back away from him in the dressing room after Keano lost his rag. He was having a go at Ruud about his 1st touch, or lack of it and ever since then Ruud improved beyond recognition.

Its amazing what a bit of fear (or reverse pyschology) can do ;) <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
Glad I found this thread again .....

I just saw an interview with Keano on Sky, he singled out Bex & Ruud as the only players who gave it 100% all season.

He also said that he couldn't blame players that have been at OT for a year or two and said that Larry was the media's scapegoat at the beginning of the season and that Seba, who he likes, took over that mantle later.

His comments were aimed at long serving players who, in his words, dropped to 95% this season with the possible reason being that they got complacent due to Fergie announcing his retirement.

Call me crazy but I think he was talking about Giggsy, Scholesy, The Nev's & definitely Disco.

I'm glad I saw it because it said a lot about how HE feels rather than how the media 'says' he feels.
 
Whilst we can only admire Keano's honesty, why is it left to him to come out with these sort of remarks at the end of each season. Last year he said the team wasn't good enough despite winning the PL. This year its the mystery men who aren't pulling their weight. I'm not sure what this does for team morale. In any event its a very serious allegation for anyone, let alone the team captain, to level at United players

Surely its up to Fergie to immediately get rid of anyone who isn't putting in 100% all the time. What's happened to the ruthlessness of old. If he doesn't agree with Roy why doesn't he say so or is Roy responsible for motivating the team these days ?
 
I would say that most if not all of our players had a sticky patch this season.We never seemed to have all the team playing well as a unit.Our strength has always been our unity and desire this was missing in certain games.Almost complaicency creeping in.I feel sure this season will wake us up and with some fresh blood and a few tactical twitches we will again reign supreme
 
Originally posted by pete_8:
<strong>I would say that most if not all of our players had a sticky patch this season.We never seemed to have all the team playing well as a unit.Our strength has always been our unity and desire this was missing in certain games.Almost complaicency creeping in.I feel sure this season will wake us up and with some fresh blood and a few tactical twitches we will again reign supreme</strong><hr></blockquote>
Alex is probably the reason for this, it was his complacency that led him to think he could piss about with formations and moving players all over the place and still win the league. We didn't play like each game really mattered until near the end of the season. He said previously that we won in '99 cos we were on a roll, we had stiff competition, I think not being top of the table, and having gone out of the FA Cup, had affected our confidence and belief. The lesson is that you can't use the league to experiment with, because the form it generates spills over into the CL too.
 
SAF definately needs a right hand man.A top tactical coach, although you can not criticise SAF's recored, he has made many tactical errors in Europe in the past. Admittedly he generally has learnt from these, his selections are still at times somewhat confusing although he is a single minded winner he at times lacks a bit of Nouse from time to time a top coach would be there to assist.Two minds and all that.Whats wrong with appointing a potential successor now
This is not a criticism