So we have played 19 competitive games with Moyes in charge. So which players you think have been playing better under Moyes?
I can only think of Rooney, Evra, Valencia.
I can only think of Rooney, Evra, Valencia.
Which Players are playing better than last year?
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Jones, obviously. Rooney, obviously. Possibly Evra. Possibly De Gea. Maybe Smalling, he's been very impressive defensively when he's played. Less so at full back, but even against Arsenal he was very good.
Rooney. Valencia
Januzaj wasn't in last year.
Evra isn't significantly better.
Januzaj wasn't in last year.
Evra isn't significantly better.
Rooney, maybe Jones. Valencia purely because he couldn't play any worse.
Only Rooney and Jones IMO.
Would you expect many players to play better, tbf? I did, honestly, expect Cleverley to be better than last season. He's been appalling thus far. I still have hopes for him that he can come good.
Evra was good last season so has started pretty much in the same fashion.
Rooney is significantly better and Jones has been impressive.
Evra was good last season so has started pretty much in the same fashion.
Rooney is significantly better and Jones has been impressive.
The one who didn't like last years manager.
Rooney. Jones. Valencia (marginally). Evra (marginally). Smalling (didn't have a good year last year, especially after returning from injury).
Worse (than last year) performers: Rio, Kagawa, RvP, Cleverley
Constants: DDG, Welbeck, Evans, Carrick (was superb last year, not as great yet but let's hope it's just his usual slow start syndrome), Buttner (constantly bad in defence
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Not sure (mainly due to a lack of game time) Nani, Chicharito, Anderson, Young
Not rated: Fabio, Januzaj, Fellaini, Zaha etc.
Worse (than last year) performers: Rio, Kagawa, RvP, Cleverley
Constants: DDG, Welbeck, Evans, Carrick (was superb last year, not as great yet but let's hope it's just his usual slow start syndrome), Buttner (constantly bad in defence
)Not sure (mainly due to a lack of game time) Nani, Chicharito, Anderson, Young
Not rated: Fabio, Januzaj, Fellaini, Zaha etc.
Better - Rooney, Evra, Valencia, DDG, Jones
Same - Raf (when fit), Vidic, Evans, Smalling, Clev, Chico
Worse - RvP (strangely), Carrick, Rio, Welbeck,
I left a few out because they haven't played enough and those who have played worse are mostly form issues.
Same - Raf (when fit), Vidic, Evans, Smalling, Clev, Chico
Worse - RvP (strangely), Carrick, Rio, Welbeck,
I left a few out because they haven't played enough and those who have played worse are mostly form issues.
Welbeck has already outscored last season and has been injured for a month, Carrick has had literally the same start as last season and is playing through injury. Its only RVP and Rio who haven't been as good, but I still expect RVP to score 30, he's got 10 already.
I don't think Carrick has been quite as good as last season, or 11/12
Carrick may have had a lot of starts but he's not played as well as last year when he was immense. It's not that I'm worried or being overly critical of him. I'd rather see him back asap as we look lost without him.
Welbeck outscoring last season isn't something to scream from the rooftops. I thought his all round play though last year was better when we saw him and that could be maybe put down to a lack of opportunities of late.
Rio's just aged although he was OK yesterday.
RvP will be fine, he's just not looked as amazing as he did last year so again I'm not being too critical.
Rooney, Jones, Valencia slightly. Most others are playing worse.
Well obviously, the the season isn't over yet. He's known to be a "slow starter" - in 11/12 and 12/13, it was the same.
Players performing better: Rooney, Nani, Evra, Smalling, Jones, De Gea, Valencia (not by much), and Evans (had a poor start to last season IMO).
Why are you telling me the season isn't over yet?I think Carrick was more dominant last season at this stage of the season, without a doubt. In 11/12 he missed the beginning of the season when Ferguson went with Cleverley/Anderson, but when he did play he was excellent and made the position his own. He was better in that season as well.
Honestly thought Anderson might improve under Moyes.
Guess not.
Guess not.
I think Carrick was more dominant last season at this stage of the season, without a doubt. In 11/12 he missed the beginning of the season when Ferguson went with Cleverley/Anderson, but when he did play he was excellent and made the position his own. He was better in that season as well.
Because you're not considering facts. Saying he was better last season and 11/12 is easy, it's correct. But he's obviously more consistent last season and 11/12 because he turned up his performances November onward. His performances went up a level in 11/12 against Swansea around this time and his level went up against Arsenal (November fixture) last season. Prior to this, he was at a very similar level to what we have seen now. Only difference is that he's injured at the moment.
What are you talking about, your opinion isn't a fact.
You think he was at the same level at this stage last season, I think he was slightly better.
He was and you are right. There's perfectly good reasons why he's not been as good and he has precedent to improve as he goes on.
Better: Rooney, Valencia, Jones.
The rest are around the same level or worse.
The rest are around the same level or worse.
Yeah exactly.
And I wasn't criticising him to be clear, I just don't think he's matched the immense performances of the past two seasons - which says more about how good he was then than his performances now.
Rooney, Smalling, Jones, De Gea, Valencia. The latter has only succeeded in being a little less shite.
Theon, you really need to start reading my posts. I never said my opinion was a fact. I said the facts are that he started he performed better late on in the first half of both of the last two seasons. I also don't think he was at the same level, I said "similar", so stop with this nonsense of inserting your own words into my posts.
I think DeGea has looked flat or disinterested - yesterday I thought he would stop Campbell shot.
Agree Jones, Rooney, Evra and Valencia are the only ones to have been playing better this season.
Agree Jones, Rooney, Evra and Valencia are the only ones to have been playing better this season.
This is the fifth or sixth time I've seen you accuse people of intentionally misrepresenting your posts MoneyMay. You need to get a grip and think about what you write.
You said I'm ignoring the facts and then went on to list your opinion. That isn't a fact. It isn't a fact that his performance's only went up a level after Arsenal, it's just what you think happened.
And if you didn't think he was at the same level as last year then what the hell are you disagreeing with me for? I said he was playing better back then, you came into the thread and disagreed, yet now you're saying that he isn't playing at the same level after all.
Evra hasn't been playing better at all.
Well it's either the same or better - depending on how you judge his performances last season.
Valencia on everyone's list, yet you read the Valencia thread and the Valencia slaters and those butt-hurt-for-Nani have got the negative bandwagon cranking up into life.
You're being ridiculous again and it's clear you're misrepresenting my posts. This is my last reply in this thread to you because I don't want to derail the thread. You have been inserting words into my posts and fabricating quite a few things. Look at the Rooney "debate", as another example. It's becoming quite tedious because we're trying to have a decent debate, not some heated discussion. So stop it, please...
I said Carrick was at a similar level last season at the same stage. You then went on to say I said he is on the same level. Come on. I also said the fact is he has performed better late on in the first half of the season - it doesn't matter which fixture that was in, though it's quite obvious that Swansea was the changing point in 11/12 and Arsenal in 12/13.
I disagree with this notion: player x isn't as good as last season. It's too vague. Saying player x isn't as good at a similar stage of the season is better, just like you corrected yourself afterward, which I fully agree with.
Playing better than last year doesn't mean he's playing well every week. He was that bad last year.
Seeing some of the names on the 'worse' lists, I think this thread is too premature regarding certain players. Someone even mentioned Welbeck!
The DDG comment above is absurd too IMO.
The DDG comment above is absurd too IMO.
I think Young has been a tiny bit better. Still poor, but not as awful as last year
Similar performances to last season, but he obviously had that freal goal tally as well. Overall I'd say he's be slightly worse.
Strange post. You accuse people of having an agenda, and then posting a post that flatly ignores what most that have mentioned Valencia have also pointed out - He's been better than absolutely awful, yet still nowhere close to good.
Better: Rooney, Philip Anthony 'Jones' Jones, Valencia
Worse: Cleverley, Rio
Around the same level as last year: All other players
Worse: Cleverley, Rio
Around the same level as last year: All other players
Fellaini.
MoneyMay, there is no need to get worked up and start name calling. You need to chill out and realise not everybody will agree with you.
As I said before, this is the 5th or 6th time I've seen you accuse people of misinterpreting your posts. You need to think about what you write and stop blaming everybody else.
But anyway, the reason I thought you were saying that Carrick is at the same level as last season is because you came into the thread and disagreed with me when I said he is playing slightly worse. If you agree with me then I'm not sure why we're even talking about this.
On the second part, if you think that saying 'player x isn't as good as last season' is too vague then you should leave the thread. It is what the whole thread is about. It isn't called 'which players are playing better than they did last November'.
I haven't corrected myself at all, I don't think Carrick is playing quite as good as he did last season. September, November, March, April.. Take your pick.
Better: Rooney, Jones, Smalling and Valencia
Worse: RVP, Carrick, Cleverley, Young (not sure if he's always been this shit, but he was alright vs City away last year), Hernandez, Vidic, Rio, De Gea (still playing well of course, but end of last season he was incredible with some of his stops), Anderson (hasn't played)
Same: Welbeck, Rafael, Nani, Kagawa, Evans, Evra, Giggs
Can't think of anybody else right now. Worse doesn't necessarily mean they've been poor, like Carrick, De Gea have been very good still and RVP been alright, just not at the heights they hit last season.
Worse: RVP, Carrick, Cleverley, Young (not sure if he's always been this shit, but he was alright vs City away last year), Hernandez, Vidic, Rio, De Gea (still playing well of course, but end of last season he was incredible with some of his stops), Anderson (hasn't played)
Same: Welbeck, Rafael, Nani, Kagawa, Evans, Evra, Giggs
Can't think of anybody else right now. Worse doesn't necessarily mean they've been poor, like Carrick, De Gea have been very good still and RVP been alright, just not at the heights they hit last season.
Rooney, DDG and Jones. The rest need to start pulling their weight if we still harbour title winning aspirations.