Which current youth players can make an immediate impact?

[Xeque_279]

Given how we have so many gaps in multiple positions and seeing the impact Obi has made, who are the current youth players you would promote? Not necessarily starting games, but players who have the capability to have some impact on the team.

RWB - Kamason
10 - Mantato
CM/10 - Jack Fletcher

 

[JBG]

Given how we have so many gaps in multiple positions and seeing the impact Obi has made, who are the current youth players you would promote? Not necessarily starting games, but players who have the capability to have some impact on the team.

RWB - Kamason
10 - Mantato
CM/10 - Jack Fletcher

According to a Norwegian MU podcast I frequently listen to, Kamason can easily slot in to that RWB role yeah. They also mentioned Fletcher. Weird how Amorim doesn't try these kids more. Specially the players that can play as WBs and 10s, not like the 1st team players are setting the world on fire with their performances.

 

[Xeque_279]

According to a Norwegian MU podcast I frequently listen to, Kamason can easily slot in to that RWB role yeah. They also mentioned Fletcher. Weird how Amorim doesn't try these kids more. Specially the players that can play as WBs and 10s, not like the 1st team players are setting the world on fire with their performances.

Yeah, had a proper look at Kamason in the last game and he's such an engine, brilliantly taken goal too. Would definitely have him on the bench atleast.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

Along with the obvious Kamason & Kone, having watched most u21 and u18 games that Moorhouse is someone who would have an immediate impact, so clever on the ball.

Scanlon is another bright talent but you never how he will adapt to the mens game, Thwaites is another promising youngster and in a year or so I have high hopes for Ibragimov.

 

[SparkedIntoLife]

Doesn't feel like he has much faith in any of them to really step in right now, bar maybe Obi. I want to think he's protecting them and it's a conscious thing of lowering expectations so we're more willing to embrace a youth revolution next season perhaps... but I lean more towards him not feeling any of them are ready (especially physically). It's difficult because we need as much hope as possible and the youth are an easy go-to, especially with our financial issues. Maybe Amorim should be respected for not going to that well readily when he could easily pay it lip service. I really don't get the 2 keepers and an incomplete bench though... sends a very poor message.

 

[JBG]

Doesn't feel like he has much faith in any of them to really step in right now, bar maybe Obi. I want to think he's protecting them and it's a conscious thing of lowering expectations so we're more willing to embrace a youth revolution next season perhaps... but I lean more towards him not feeling any of them are ready (especially physically). It's difficult because we need as much hope as possible and the youth are an easy go-to, especially with our financial issues. Maybe Amorim should be respected for not going to that well readily when he could easily pay it lip service. I really don't get the 2 keepers and an incomplete bench though... sends a very poor message.

I wonder if he's doing a "Mourinho" with that one... sending a message to the board that he needs new players in.

 

[Xeque_279]

Doesn't feel like he has much faith in any of them to really step in right now, bar maybe Obi. I want to think he's protecting them and it's a conscious thing of lowering expectations so we're more willing to embrace a youth revolution next season perhaps... but I lean more towards him not feeling any of them are ready (especially physically). It's difficult because we need as much hope as possible and the youth are an easy go-to, especially with our financial issues. Maybe Amorim should be respected for not going to that well readily when he could easily pay it lip service. I really don't get the 2 keepers and an incomplete bench though... sends a very poor message.

Yeah this I don't really get. I can understand protecting the players, but he also needs to assess what he has available. You never know how a player might respond, sometimes they can surprise everyone.

 

[Smores]

Doesn't feel like he has much faith in any of them to really step in right now, bar maybe Obi. I want to think he's protecting them and it's a conscious thing of lowering expectations so we're more willing to embrace a youth revolution next season perhaps... but I lean more towards him not feeling any of them are ready (especially physically). It's difficult because we need as much hope as possible and the youth are an easy go-to, especially with our financial issues. Maybe Amorim should be respected for not going to that well readily when he could easily pay it lip service. I really don't get the 2 keepers and an incomplete bench though... sends a very poor message.

I doubt it's much to do with his rating of them and more that he's just focused on trying to get the best out of his first team options. He's only been here a few months after all.

Agree with some of the above comments I reckon we'll see Kone and Moorhouse get some limited minutes this season. Those are the positions where we need a bit of depth.

 

[The Mitcher]

Collyer aside, why is the club ignoring the under-21s? Surely there are players there at the club who can come in and put in a shift? It seems we're just putting children in the side from the under 18s instead.

 

[AshRK]

I wonder if he's doing a "Mourinho" with that one... sending a message to the board that he needs new players in.

If that's the case then the board should have a clear word with him. I don't think that is a good sign

 

[Von Mistelroum]

I don't think any of them, including the ones who have been playing a little, can have much impact really. They're not ready, and are only playing because we're struggling so badly with injuries etc.

There's a lot of potential, but none are ready to make a real difference to anything but their confidence.

 

[Insanity]

I have seen a minuscule number of U18 and U21 matches but the only one who I thought was physically capable was Ethan Ennis. He is out on loan, I think.

Saw the youth cup games against Arsenal the other day and Kamason was our best player in the game for me. He looked fast, tenacious and skillful. However, I am not sure if he is physically ready to play senior football. Didn't think either of the Fletcher's are ready. Really like Amass and his quality on the ball is superb. Although, I don't know if a LB/LWB will be his position long term as he lacks pace.

 

[Ali Dia]

I have seen a minuscule number of U18 and U21 matches but the only one who I thought was physically capable was Ethan Ennis. He is out on loan, I think.

Saw the youth cup games against Arsenal the other day and Kamason was our best player in the game for me. He looked fast, tenacious and skillful. However, I am not sure if he is physically ready to play senior football. Didn't think either of the Fletcher's are ready. Really like Amass and his quality on the ball is superb. Although, I don't know if a LB/LWB will be his position long term as he lacks pace.

Kamason looks the most ready but we are stacked at RWB as things stand. Our only hope for this EL tie is if Dorgu keeps improving and Dalot remembers how to cross out on the right but I think the manager will probably go more defensive for the away leg

 

[Insanity]

Kamason looks the most ready but we are stacked at RWB as things stand. Our only hope for this EL tie is if Dorgu keeps improving and Dalot remembers how to cross out on the right but I think the manager will probably go more defensive for the away leg

Are we stacked? Maz looks better at RCB than RWB and we are overworking Dalot to the point that I fear he is being run into the ground. We can definitely use him at RWB even if it is to ease some pressure on Dalot.

i.e. if he is ready.

 

[JBG]

Are we stacked? Maz looks better at RCB than RWB and we are overworking Dalot to the point that I fear he is being run into the ground. We can definitely use him at RWB even if it is to ease some pressure on Dalot.

i.e. if he is ready.

Agree and considering we are going nowhere in the league(we are never going to get relegated, no matter how much fear mongering there's been on this forum about it), we can easily give players like Kamason, maybe even Amass and Fletcher a try.

 

[dcrompton]

If Van Gaal was our manager we would have already seen many of them play already since he threw in many youngsters with much less talent than the current crop whereas Amorim seems a bit cowardly and leaves unused spots on the bench.

I went to the Emirates last Friday and although United were the better team, Max Dowman was head and shoulders above everyone on the pitch which does make you wonder how first team ready they are.

Fletcher and Kamason were our best 2 players on the night but with integrating youth being easier at full-back over number 10 I think we may see Kamason first. Longer-term, Ibragimov and Thwaites both looked lovely footballers in the Barcelona style. Unfortunately, at United we tend to prefer midfielders with the phyicallity of McTominay or Collyer over the technique of Angel Gomes so I fear they may have good careers away from us. In general I am concerned about our academy being seen as a way of creating revenue as Chelsea and Man City do, rather than creating first team players. I think Garnacho and Mainoo will be sold this summer if any half decent offers come in

 

[Zed 101]

Biancheri - similar player to Garna but he has an end product
Moorhouse - back up no 10
Kone - just play him instead of Case
Mantato - bring him in for Amad now Amad is injured

Maybe Kamason but not sure he is getting any minutes in front of Dalot
There are others like Ibragimov and Lacey that would be closer had it not been for injuries

 

[limerickcitykid]

Biancheri - similar player to Garna but he has an end product

They aren’t even remotely similar

 

[Zed 101]

They aren’t even remotely similar

Apart from they both play forward left sided and are strong runners with the ball, if anything Biancheri has what Garna has and then more ability as a striker, he already looks like he has a higher ceiling than Garna whether he can translate that into senior football is another thing

 

[Remember the geese]

Kamason, Amass, Thwaites, Ibragimov, Scanlon, Fletcher, Kone. Bring them all on tour. Maybe even one or two others. I'd suggest Lacey too, but I'm not sure if he'll ever be an option due to the constant injuries at such an important time in his development.

Not all of these guys will be ready, or make it here at all, but no harm in taking a look.

 

[Dion]

I wonder if he's doing a "Mourinho" with that one... sending a message to the board that he needs new players in.

I doubt it's much to do with his rating of them and more that he's just focused on trying to get the best out of his first team options.

It was neither. They had a Youth Cup quarter final vs Arsenal on the Friday, we played on the Sunday. Pulling youth players out of a big quarter final so they were fit to sit on the bench would have been really poor form.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

I think it might be down to size.. the step up to PL is huge and Amorim has said more than once that he likes athleticism and energy. Maybe he thinks they’re not quite (physically) ready to cope with PL and his requirements yet.

That said, I’m all for trying youth and for trying it slightly early … Kamason looks the closest in terms of coping. Amorim sort of has a free pass now… we’re not going down, we can only realistically make up three places so why not at least give a few 15-20 minutes? You’d learn a bit about them in a safe zone.

Expect to see more of Heaven … looked comfortable the other night.

 

[limerickcitykid]

It was neither. They had a Youth Cup quarter final vs Arsenal on the Friday, we played on the Sunday. Pulling youth players out of a big quarter final so they were fit to sit on the bench would have been really poor form.

There were several players who didn’t play in the FAYC. Moorhouse, Kone, Fredricson etc. that’s a piss poor excuse for telling the best u21s performers that you prefer an empty chair instead of them.

 

[limerickcitykid]

Apart from they both play forward left sided and are strong runners with the ball, if anything Biancheri has what Garna has and then more ability as a striker, he already looks like he has a higher ceiling than Garna whether he can translate that into senior football is another thing

Biancheri is a striker who is significantly weaker when played wide. Garnacho is a winger.

Biancheri isn’t remotely a strong runner with the ball. He virtually never goes on a lengthy run like Garnacho.

Biancheri plays with his back to goal and is good at hold up and bringing others into play. Garnacho is a head down run at fullbacks winger.

Garnacho relies on speed with direct running in behind and at fullbacks. Biancheri doesn’t do either to a great extent nor is he particularly fast.

Biancheri is a fox in the box getting on the end of chances close to goal, Garnacho wants the ball to feet far out on the wing.

Occasionally being shifted to the left doesn’t make him like Garnacho.

 

[Devil81]

Jacob Devaney, I never see his name mentioned but he's strong and keeps things neat and tidy. Harry Amas should have also been given minutes by now.

Kamason is far too lightweight to break through yet.

 

[DannyCAFC]

Hard to say, but the following should be given a run out in the PL for the remainder of the season now that United have nothing to play for:

• Chido Obi
• Harry Amass
• Sekou Kone
• Jack Moorhouse
• Jack Fletcher
• Jaydan Kamason

Considering United need improvements throughout the squad and probably have limited financial muscle in the summer, they should be looking to see if any of these can make the step-up and be useful additions to the squad for next season.

For example, considering Kamason has impressed a lot of people and seems a good profile fit for the RWB role - would people be completely happy with United spending £40-50m on a player who's 4 months younger than him in Quenda without at least getting a look at what he might offer first?

 

[Remember the geese]

For example, considering Kamason has impressed a lot of people and seems a good profile fit for the RWB role - would people be completely happy with United spending £40-50m on a player who's 4 months younger than him in Quenda without at least getting a look at what he might offer first?

Yes. Quenda is a special talent. We can have him and Kamason competing for the same position.

 

[Dan_F]

I think it might be down to size.. the step up to PL is huge and Amorim has said more than once that he likes athleticism and energy. Maybe he thinks they’re not quite (physically) ready to cope with PL and his requirements yet.

That said, I’m all for trying youth and for trying it slightly early … Kamason looks the closest in terms of coping. Amorim sort of has a free pass now… we’re not going down, we can only realistically make up three places so why not at least give a few 15-20 minutes? You’d learn a bit about them in a safe zone.

Expect to see more of Heaven … looked comfortable the other night.

Came in here to say this. It’s definitely the physicality. We already heard about Amass not being ready in that sense yet, especially when it comes to the midfield, the step up from 18’s is going to be huge.

 

[Dion]

There were several players who didn’t play in the FAYC. Moorhouse, Kone, Fredricson etc. that’s a piss poor excuse for telling the best u21s performers that you prefer an empty chair instead of them.

They were all playing a midweek NL cup game away against Sutton the day before the Ipswich game, after playing 4 days previously in an away game vs Chelsea U21's. The FA Cup game was obviously too soon for them.

 

[limerickcitykid]

They were all playing a midweek NL cup game away against Sutton the day before the Ipswich game, after playing 4 days previously in an away game vs Chelsea U21's. The FA Cup game was obviously too soon for them.

Too soon to sit in a chair? Aye tomorrow too soon for some chair sitting as well I guess. They’ll have gone 2.5 weeks without playing a match. Sitting on the bench for 90 minutes fit their schedule perfectly fine.

 

[Dion]

Too soon to sit in a chair? Aye tomorrow too soon for some chair sitting as well I guess. They’ll have gone 2.5 weeks without playing a match. Sitting on the bench for 90 minutes fit their schedule perfectly fine.

I'm assuming that you hope they'd do more than sit in a chair.

And how long it's been since their last game isn't really relevant is it, if the match in question was too soon after the other game for them to recover.

Kone in particular has struggled with injuries since he joined. Having him unnecessarily join first team match training and prep so soon after a game against an actual team seems pretty brainless.

 

[Champ]

Too soon to sit in a chair? Aye tomorrow too soon for some chair sitting as well I guess. They’ll have gone 2.5 weeks without playing a match. Sitting on the bench for 90 minutes fit their schedule perfectly fine.

There's a fair bit more to being a sub than just sitting on a bench.....

 

[kerrygold]

Doesn't feel like he has much faith in any of them to really step in right now, bar maybe Obi. I want to think he's protecting them and it's a conscious thing of lowering expectations so we're more willing to embrace a youth revolution next season perhaps... but I lean more towards him not feeling any of them are ready (especially physically). It's difficult because we need as much hope as possible and the youth are an easy go-to, especially with our financial issues. Maybe Amorim should be respected for not going to that well readily when he could easily pay it lip service. I really don't get the 2 keepers and an incomplete bench though... sends a very poor message.

I haven’t seen many youth games but aren’t they playing a different system? If so, perhaps this is slowing their progression to the men’s team