Where does the rivalry between Ferguson & Wenger stem from?

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This one has grown old & bitter:

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It is not a new thing that managers from the two-three top club go at each other's throats.

Sometimes it is just a drill, and sometimes it is more personal.

I remember very well how Keegan and Dalgliesh used to show very clearly how they disliked Manchester United and Sir Alex Ferguson earlier in the 90's. But then again, it was usually in those few key-seasons when Newcastle and Blackburn had a serious chance of grabbing the title (Blackburn finally did, but that was when Eric Cantonona was unable to help us out). And it was usually statements made just some few weeks before the title was wrapped up.

With Wenger I feel it's different. The relationship between him and Fergie has never been good. Where does it stem from? What originated it?

I remember Fergie being pissed at the frenchman when he was new as a manager in England. At that time Arsenal wasn't very potent, and Wenger had stated something that Ferguson's complaints abt the number and row of matches hindered English teams of competing effectively in the european cups at the end of each season. Ferguson said that Wenger should try to be a manager in England first b4 he made any premature remarks about how things were.

I am not sure if that was the birth of the hatred, but I am sure that Arsenal so far really, really sux in the CL, not?

:D
 
Originally posted by MPTutd:
<strong>Simple.

Wenger is just a bitter old man.</strong><hr></blockquote>

hes a different kind of old man according to the song tho

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Originally posted by Private PeeWee:
<strong>This one has grown old & bitter:

<a href="http://oneunited.net/news/story.php3?id=20021212235656" target="_blank">http://oneunited.net/news/story.php3?id=20021212235656</a>

It is not a new thing that managers from the two-three top club go at each other's throats.

Sometimes it is just a drill, and sometimes it is more personal.

I remember very well how Keegan and Dalgliesh used to show very clearly how they disliked Manchester United and Sir Alex Ferguson earlier in the 90's. But then again, it was usually in those few key-seasons when Newcastle and Blackburn had a serious chance of grabbing the title (Blackburn finally did, but that was when Eric Cantonona was unable to help us out). And it was usually statements made just some few weeks before the title was wrapped up.

With Wenger I feel it's different. The relationship between him and Fergie has never been good. Where does it stem from? What originated it?

I remember Fergie being pissed at the frenchman when he was new as a manager in England. At that time Arsenal wasn't very potent, and Wenger had stated something that Ferguson's complaints abt the number and row of matches hindered English teams of competing effectively in the european cups at the end of each season. Ferguson said that Wenger should try to be a manager in England first b4 he made any premature remarks about how things were.

I am not sure if that was the birth of the hatred, but I am sure that Arsenal so far really, really sux in the CL, not?

:D </strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually,that's not quite right,Wenger had only been in England a short time when Ferguson was suggesting the premiership be extended because of the backlog of games Man Utd were suffering.Wenger,unaware that the suggestion was from Ferguson,was suckered by the press when he was asked should the season be extended to accommodate those teams which had fixture backlog problems.
He disagreed saying that once the rules were agreed in advance,it was unfair to extend the season as it meant some teams facing relegation/promotion could have an advantage knowing the results of other fixtures.
Ferguson went apeshit when he heard these remarks quoted to him by the press and,not appreciating the context in which they were made,went over the top abusing Wenger.Since then there has been a well publicised froideur
Recently,though, there is some intimation of a thaw when Ferguson invited Wenger after the game at OT in May for a glass or two of wine.Also,both were seen recently on a Uefa conference apparently getting on quite well.So,I don't believe there is much of a problem between them now.I believe they actually have enormous respect for each others' achievements.
The press,however,like to hype it up....it sells papers after all !!
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yeah but wenger does talk a lot of shite tho, what the feck was he going on about ice cream for the other day?

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Fergie just doesn't like kiddy-fiddlers
 
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
<strong>yeah but wenger does talk a lot of shite tho, what the feck was he going on about ice cream for the other day?

:confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Wenger is a very smart intelligent guy,probably more so than any other manager in the EPL.He always has an interesting and shrewd approach to issues.Better than the usual 'the boy done good' style of manager talk.I doubt if he would lose sleep at your failure to comprehend his meaning and neither would I. :D
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Originally posted by Gillespie:
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Wenger is a very smart intelligent guy,probably more so than any other manager in the EPL.He always has an interesting and shrewd approach to issues.Better than the usual 'the boy done good' style of manager talk.I doubt if he would lose sleep at your failure to comprehend his meaning and neither would I. :D </strong><hr></blockquote>


he shags little boys.
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Originally posted by Gillespie:
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Wenger is a very smart intelligent guy,probably more so than any other manager in the EPL.He always has an interesting and shrewd approach to issues.Better than the usual 'the boy done good' style of manager talk.I doubt if he would lose sleep at your failure to comprehend his meaning and neither would I. :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

But would you trust him to babysit for your kids?
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Originally posted by Gillespie:
<strong>Wenger is a very smart intelligent guy </strong><hr></blockquote>Oi Gipsie, Wenger is as smart and intelligent as Keown is handsome and a clean player.

And his eyes are stuck so far up his arse that he never "sees" any wrongdoings by his players.
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Wenger is manager of the current team that are challenging United for honours. For some reason, the press labels these 'mind games' as Fergie going mad and paranoid, while Wenger is too intelligent to resort to that level. Even tho' there doesn't seem to be a day go by when he doesn't do something increasingly bizarre.
 
Both Fergie and Wenger seem abit arrogant to me.

Not that much difference between them.

Only that one ic boss over a grand team, and has reached greatness beyond most others.

And the other one manages a fairly ok team in London, and truly wanna-be something.

Uh. "...not that much difference between them..."???

I'll take that back. Who said that?

What a twat!

:D
 
Originally posted by mancred:
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he shags little boys.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Can internet forums be done for slander? Or is there some basis for this?
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Can internet forums be done for slander? Or is there some basis for this?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually,it's libel not slander (forgive the pedantry)and you make a cogent point.There was recently a well reported case where a teacher succesfully sued an ex pupil who wrote disparaging remarks about him on the internet.I reckon the webmaster of this site would be liable should Wenger decide to bring an action against him (not to mention also the writer of the original post).At the risk of being castigated for this,I would suggest that the moderators come down hard on people posting clearly libellous remarks,if only to ensure the website,one day,isn't sued.What is acceptable is vulgar abuse (there is a difference).So ,for example,I can say Fergie is a moronic and arrogant tosspot BUT were I to suggest that he is guilty of criminal behaviour,he could rightfully sue me for libel.The more heinous the libel,the greater the damages likely to be awarded.I hope that helps :)
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Originally posted by Gillespie:
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Actually,it's libel not slander (forgive the pedantry)and you make a cogent point. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes. S for said is how we were always taught to remember it. I forgot on this occasion.

Tho people are saying it as well........
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Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
<strong>i reckon gillispie takes it up the ass meself like

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Either that or he is a SHIM.........she or him..........BOTH!!! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
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I reckon the webmaster of this site would be liable should Wenger decide to bring an action against him (not to mention also the writer of the original post). <hr></blockquote>

I'd expect there's something in the small print when you sign up that views expressed by posters are their own and not indicitive of other's opinions.
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Originally posted by curt:
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I'd expect there's something in the small print when you sign up that views expressed by posters are their own and not indicitive of other's opinions.</strong><hr></blockquote>


There is. But I suppose its feasible that the web site could be asked for info on a poster's identity if someone really wanted to push a libel suit?
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Personal opinion, Wenger is a twat.

He sees nothing, he seems to think that Arsenal have a devine right to win the premiership, and the way he craps on about going undefeated and all that, kin hell he pisses me right off.
 
I think it stems from Wenger having the better team lately. ;)
 
Originally posted by curt:
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I'd expect there's something in the small print when you sign up that views expressed by posters are their own and not indicitive of other's opinions.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually,I think,legally,that would not be a defence......the tabloids could have run that email stuff about Posh and Becks....but didn't....they could have suggested it wasn't their view,but that would have not protected them from legal challenge....basically,they knew that broadcasting such lies would have made them liable.This stuff on the internet has yet to be really tested.....I suspect the operators of this site (we'll see what the Mods view is )wouldn't want to take the risk of creating legal history.....don't you think that's right??
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Girllespie, he's a kiddy fiddler. Face it.
 
Originally posted by Gillespie:
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Actually,I think,legally,that would not be a defence......the tabloids could have run that email stuff about Posh and Becks....but didn't....they could have suggested it wasn't their view,but that would have not protected them from legal challenge....basically,they knew that broadcasting such lies would have made them liable.This stuff on the internet has yet to be really tested.....I suspect the operators of this site (we'll see what the Mods view is )wouldn't want to take the risk of creating legal history.....don't you think that's right??</strong><hr></blockquote>

One last point....we all like to demonise those whom we fear,so it's no surprise to see this crap about Wenger.BUT ask yourself,do you really think it's true what Mancred said?Do you really think SAF would have any time for anyone spouting such vicious stuff....why not draw the line at calling him a tosser if you don't like him....but why lower yourself to such despicable nonsense ,and by doing so,endanger this site with possible legal challenge ??
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Originally posted by Gillespie:
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One last point....we all like to demonise those whom we fear,so it's no surprise to see this crap about Wenger.BUT ask yourself,do you really think it's true what Mancred said?Do you really think SAF would have any time for anyone spouting such vicious stuff....why not draw the line at calling him a tosser if you don't like him....but why lower yourself to such despicable nonsense ,and by doing so,endanger this site with possible legal challenge ??</strong><hr></blockquote>

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You're in denial, Wenger IS a paedophile....
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Originally posted by Private PeeWee:
<strong>This one has grown old & bitter:

<a href="http://oneunited.net/news/story.php3?id=20021212235656" target="_blank">http://oneunited.net/news/story.php3?id=20021212235656</a>

It is not a new thing that managers from the two-three top club go at each other's throats.

Sometimes it is just a drill, and sometimes it is more personal.

I remember very well how Keegan and Dalgliesh used to show very clearly how they disliked Manchester United and Sir Alex Ferguson earlier in the 90's. But then again, it was usually in those few key-seasons when Newcastle and Blackburn had a serious chance of grabbing the title (Blackburn finally did, but that was when Eric Cantonona was unable to help us out). And it was usually statements made just some few weeks before the title was wrapped up.

With Wenger I feel it's different. The relationship between him and Fergie has never been good. Where does it stem from? What originated it?

I remember Fergie being pissed at the frenchman when he was new as a manager in England. At that time Arsenal wasn't very potent, and Wenger had stated something that Ferguson's complaints abt the number and row of matches hindered English teams of competing effectively in the european cups at the end of each season. Ferguson said that Wenger should try to be a manager in England first b4 he made any premature remarks about how things were.

I am not sure if that was the birth of the hatred, but I am sure that Arsenal so far really, really sux in the CL, not?

:D </strong><hr></blockquote>

The dislike is real and imo it is easy to understand why. Fergie is a working class man with values entrenched in hard work, committment and a unique will-to-win. Wanker, sorry Wenger, is an arrogant Frenchman who has shown tactical prowess and an ability to unearth some great players for relatively little money.

Wenger is a good manager who may become a great one in time. Fergie is a great Manager who has seen it all and won the lot.

Arsene has difficulty in accepting that hence he takes any opportunity to make ridiculous statements regarding us and SAF.
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I don`t agree with the previous poster`s comments about Wenger. I have read some articles about Wenger where he discusses football and how best to encourage and train boys, teenagers and men in becoming top league players, and it is clear the man is intelligent, knowledgeable about the game and human nature, and cares about those with whom he works.

Obviously as a Red Devil I prefer Sir Alex and while I agree with the comments about Sir Alex reflecting his working class values, I don`t see　any clash with Arsene being one of class. It is a matter of personality. Sir Alex is vastly more experienced in the game, has won virtually everything in the game with his teams and knows how to play mind games with opposition managers who ask for it.

I would also like to ask Gillespie just where the vicious rumours about Arsene came from initially. I don`t believe Arsene has done anything of the sort. I know he had trouble when he first came to England because of these but I have no idea from where the stories came, whether they were based on things he supposedly did in France or Japan or whatever. Can you tell me please?
 
Originally posted by giggsgirl:
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I would also like to ask Gillespie just where the vicious rumours about Arsene came from initially. I don`t believe Arsene has done anything of the sort. I know he had trouble when he first came to England because of these but I have no idea from where the stories came, whether they were based on things he supposedly did in France or Japan or whatever. Can you tell me please?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'd like to know where/how they started as well.

I don't like Arsene Wenger at all, never have - but I doubt very much that there's any substance to these allegations, otherwise the media would be having a field day. And judging by th Southampton board's reaction when David Jones was implicated, I can imagine that Mr. W. would be out of the door a bit smartish.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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I'd like to know where/how they started as well.

I don't like Arsene Wenger at all, never have - but I doubt very much that there's any substance to these allegations, otherwise the media would be having a field day. And judging by th Southampton board's reaction when David Jones was implicated, I can imagine that Mr. W. would be out of the door a bit smartish.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Frankly,these rumours are some way out of date.They arose nearly 6 years ago when he first arrived here after some spoof 'revelations' were posted on a news website ('Bloomberg's?) that were apparently concocted by some Spurs fans.I haven't seen anyone refer to them since,except on this site...certainly nowhere else.

If there were any truth in them,the papers would have a field day well before now.So, as far as I'm concerned the mods on this site are being irresponsible to allow the more moronic of you to post such libellous and wicked allegations.

I assume that the RedCafe website has some official (?) sanction from MUFC plc.Do you really think they would condone this were they to learn about it? <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />

Please direct your responses to Peter Kenyon and not me.
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Maybe you could get the Stabfield, err, I mean ANFIELD Legal Team onto this....
 
According to Arsene Wenger he has not seen the goals scored against Arsenal over the last few weeks because he was at that time distracted. However, he did manage to see the first goal(we got 2 :D ) United scored against Arsenal and he said it was a handball and an offside and also that Fabien Barthez was sticking his tongue out at the Arsenal goalkeeper. Well he is welcome to his opinion and I think he is a better manager than Hoolyhoops in scouseland but is that a compliment?? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
As for this kiddie fiddler stuff,, I do not think nor do I believe that Wenger is involved in such shit. So I would lay off on that point. I just think he is better than Hoolyhoops in Unfiled. And yes he is still a blind git. But a Paedophile??? No way He is just a frustrated foreign manager who came to England only to realise that some Scottish guy already managing there is better than him. The years since his arrival have proven that.
 
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