Well?
What's Wrong With Manchester United's Players?
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Well no-one is perfect - but today the selection was wrong imo and it unbalanced the team.
Pee-wee, you do love to moan, everyone here does dont they. this must be the 5th thread on here today. Why do i get the feeling people love to complain 
Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
<strong>Pee-wee, you do love to moan, everyone here does dont they. this must be the 5th thread on here today. Why do i get the feeling people love to complain
Well put it this way. After a performance like today you would be unlikely to get too many on here giving praise. So if no-one had a whinge, there'd be nothing for you to do here.
WTF is going on?? I only got to see parts of the first half due to some freakin' dinner I had to attend. Couldn't believe my eyes when I checked the result later on! For feck sake, someone tell me what's wrong with MU after that great streak we had!!
They just need a new manager! SAF stayed too lon...
Except Giggs, I don't think our players played extremely bad today. Even Ruud was much better than last match. Our defence was a bit off-color though and it made us paid dearly. Hope Silverstre could recover asap.
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Agreed. If the defence is shaky, it will affect the rest of the team.
I don't think the players are as confident with Laurent in the side. I don't care how good his vision is, he's too slow - and maybe he has been slow all his career, but he hasn't played in the English league before, because if he had, he wouldn't have been as successful. You can't be slow in this league! Veron has just started to shine because he has adapted his game and moved it up a pace.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Will all the Blanc believers step forward and defend him?
Originally posted by lchk:
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Will all the Blanc believers step forward and defend him?
It's difficult to defend.... Sometimes I think Blanc doesn't deserved so many hard critism on him. But then I also agree Livvie that you cannot be slow in this league. may be Blanc should have been better call it a day after last season.
Originally posted by uranushk1:
<strong>Except Giggs, I don't think our players played extremely bad today. Even Ruud was much better than last match.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Uhhh I'll have to disagree with you on that one...RVN was pathetic....hardly got a touch and regularly performed his trademark of falling down like a little-cry baby...I hate that, it irritates me to see him do that so often...
Ohh, am I complaining about RVN too much again?
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Agreed. If the defence is shaky, it will affect the rest of the team.
I don't think the players are as confident with Laurent in the side. I don't care how good his vision is, he's too slow - and maybe he has been slow all his career, but he hasn't played in the English league before, because if he had, he wouldn't have been as successful. You can't be slow in this league! Veron has just started to shine because he has adapted his game and moved it up a pace.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If you don't mind some observations from an objective neutral here,I would say the following :
a)I assumed SAF rested players because of the games over the Christmas period,however I tend to agree with the views expressed earlier that it was a mistake to change ,what looked to me anyhow,a defence that was beginning to look the part.
b)O'Shea had a poor game and I was surprised how easily he was shrugged off the ball by Nemeth for his goal.BUT,and I did say this some weeks ago,O'Shea is young and it's normal for young players after playing well on joining the team ,to suffer a dip in form.He should be rested for a couple of weeks and SAF might do this now that Rio is fit.
c)If I've said it once,I've said it a thousand times...Keane and Veron do not play well together.I believe they both want to dominate in midfield and I suspect Veron is intimidated by Keane's presence.So what happened yesterday?Veron goes missing (like some of his attempts at long range passes).Did you see how easy Veron was passed at at some stage in the game by a Boro player.He lacks guts for the fight,I think.
d)Boro were 'up for it' .I think McLaren's tactics were spot on.Basically,I think SAF was outcoached by the man who is my bet to be next Man Utd manager.
e)I think OGS is better wide right than Beckham who is beginning to look like a one trick pony.
f)Giggs is suffering a lack of confidence.Has he lost some of his pace?He seems strangely reluctant these days to take on players as he used to.
g)RVN.Can someone tell the big girl's blouse not to keep throwing himself to the ground with such ridiculouus over dramatism.It's like the boy who cries wolf.One day he will be denied a spot on penalty because referees will assume he's dived again.
I hope that analysis from this objective neutral will help.
We are suffering from a tricky time when SAF had to judge wither persisting on the on form reserve or put in the out of form (its natural because they have just came out of the treatment room) stars and wait for them to regain the match practice needed.
It a fact Manutd cannot afford to stay without their stars but its also a fact that out of form players will slower the team making it vulnerable
My opinion is this
We need to introduce our stars little by little, so that they will gain match practice while not disrupting the tempo of the team.
What angered me is the re introduction of Laurent Blanc in the team.
With Gaz on the right, O Shea on the left and the Brown – Silvestre tandem in the heart of our defense we were witnessing the strongest and the most consistent defense since 1999. Why changing this winning formula? I agree that Blanc’s experience had helped our youngsters a lot, but if a player is able to kill world class players like Owen, Henry and Tristan, then you cannot consider him as a youngster anymore. What angers me is the fact that while SAF had (rightly) left out 30 M rated Rio, he refuses to put on the bench the 37 yr old Frenchman, whom pace and stamina is an old nostalgic dream
It a fact Manutd cannot afford to stay without their stars but its also a fact that out of form players will slower the team making it vulnerable
My opinion is this
We need to introduce our stars little by little, so that they will gain match practice while not disrupting the tempo of the team.
What angered me is the re introduction of Laurent Blanc in the team.
With Gaz on the right, O Shea on the left and the Brown – Silvestre tandem in the heart of our defense we were witnessing the strongest and the most consistent defense since 1999. Why changing this winning formula? I agree that Blanc’s experience had helped our youngsters a lot, but if a player is able to kill world class players like Owen, Henry and Tristan, then you cannot consider him as a youngster anymore. What angers me is the fact that while SAF had (rightly) left out 30 M rated Rio, he refuses to put on the bench the 37 yr old Frenchman, whom pace and stamina is an old nostalgic dream
Larry Blanc will only be good in the continental games in which the build up is slow and they don't have the rush and push type of strikers. Blanc has tried his upmost best to suit the English game and I feel that he will be at his very best by playing sweeper behind 4 defenders. This formation should be used in some of Uniteds away game in the English league. Sometimes, it is wise to soak up the oppenents attack and hit them on the counter. A 1-4-4-1 will be extremely useful.In the last 2 games the hustling of the opposing midfield players were not carried out effectively and that led to the excessive pressure put on the United's defence. Maybe Roy Keane is still not fully fit. Like some of you guys, I feel that Veron will only be effective when he is being granted freedom and that knowing someone like P. Neville or Butt will be tackling back when posession is lost. RVN should add some variety to his game by sometimes playing deep to draw out the opponents defenders and let mid-fielders run into scoring position or maybe shoot from far.
Before we got Blanc from Inter he played for them and got dropped after about 10-12 games and really never played again.I am a Blanc fan and think he is helping our youngsters a lot behind the scenes in training.But defensively we look a liability at times.Why oh why didn't he play Brown,Ferdinand or even take Blanc off at half time for Rio.
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I agree O'Shea got outmuscled for the second goal but what was Wes Brown doing for the first? He just stuck his foot out and completely missed the ball Boksic played through. That was bad play too.
Originally posted by Grunge:
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O'Shea had to come in from his left sided position and to have used his strength would have inevitably led to a penalty and possibly a red card for his efforts.
The ball came through the middle, not unlike the first when Roy let Bocsic through & barely chased or made an effort. I don't think you can fault Brown . . . the Boro made a nice run and nobody went with him.
Until Keano is fully fit and burning with passion I think it will always be dangerous to pair him with Seba. They played like a sieve and with Blanc as back-up you know the opportunities to let in a goal are going to be there.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree with you about O'shea for me he was one of our best players, and looked good on the left.
I have seen the game a couple of times, and Blanc has to go with Nemeth for the second goal. Nemeth starts off between O'shea and Blanc and Blanc is in the better position to do something about it. In fact it started at the edge of the box and Blanc is still at the edge of the box when the ball hits the net....
As for the first, Blanc starts off deeper than everyone else, they get the ball, then Gary, Wes and John imeadiately have to back pedal and try and sort out a good defensive line. Anyway Blanc then pushes out to pressurise the ball doesn't get near the ball. Gaz and John have dropped deeper than Blanc Wes is stuck somewhere between the full backs and Blanc, hence a nice big hole in the middle of our defence that Boksic strolls into and scores, as the ball is rolled around Wes. Keano tries to cover but it is too late.
Recuurent theme
Blanc disrupts the defensive unit we have.
As a defender Blanc is class, but he doesn't fit into out back four. Defending is about working as a unit more than the players in the unit. The old Arse back four are a prime example, as individuals good defenders(OK Adams was great) but together they were bloody amazing.
Blanc seems to be more of a sweeper playing CB. He is class but it is not enough.
Also for me Silvestre has been better than Wes for most of the games, and has LED the defence extremely well. I really think he deserves to stay at CB more than anyone else.