What is this ridiculous "I spent money" argument?

SharkyMcShark

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I'm listening to various football podcasts and what I'm hearing the is the biggest load of self entitled rubbish. Endless Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime arguing that they spent x thousand pounds going to watch England and want their money back/are shocked by it all because they've drawn two games at the World Cup.

I've not put this in the WC forum because it's something that is trotted out by fans (mainly of england but also club football aswell) whenever their team doesn't perform.

Am I the only one shat off by this argument? Ostensibly you go to a match to get behind your team and hope they win - apparently now it has become a situation where buying a ticket entitles you to free flowing high scoring rampant football or you'll boo your team off.
 
That's not the whole story though. They spend all year watching those players be world beaters then once they get to the world cup half of them play like shit. It's their own expectations that really hurt them.

I doubt you'll hear of many travelling aussie fans complaining, despite us only being on a single point.

I don't even know what my point is anymore.
 
There are so many arguments here - yes they paid the money etc (though going on a once in a life time trip ain't exactly hell) but it's a big premature isn't it? If England win the next game 5-0 what then? Why couldn't they boo after the third game. It's still all to play for. I think it's obvious the England players knew they were shite.

If some people an in excess of a 3/4/5 grand then maybe they could have been a bit wiser? This is England not Spain they're following
 
Fans should not be expecting wins in every match.You have to anticipate that it may not be your tournament and therefore your expectations won't hurt you when you don't see them fulfilled
 
Peasplease said:
That's not the whole story though. They spend all year watching those players be world beaters then once they get to the world cup half of them play like shit. It's their own expectations that really hurt them.

I doubt you'll hear of many travelling aussie fans complaining, despite us only being on a single point.

I don't even know what my point is anymore.
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But it happens all the time....

Surely they know by know England will inevitably feck it up
 
the same shite bags will cheer if england do get through

the fickleness of england fans makes me sick...and it will never change
 
SharkyMcShark said:
I'm listening to various football podcasts and what I'm hearing the is the biggest load of self entitled rubbish. Endless Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime arguing that they spent x thousand pounds going to watch England and want their money back/are shocked by it all because they've drawn two games at the World Cup.

I've not put this in the WC forum because it's something that is trotted out by fans (mainly of england but also club football aswell) whenever their team doesn't perform.

Am I the only one shat off by this argument? Ostensibly you go to a match to get behind your team and hope they win - apparently now it has become a situation where buying a ticket entitles you to free flowing high scoring rampant football or you'll boo your team off.
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Agreed, they should treat this as a holiday. If South Africa never were a likely or interesting destination then they should have saved their money for a trip that they would enjoy! I mean, don't pay £5000 in the sole hope of seeing a team, who's been shite for quite a few tournaments now, perform world class football and win.
 
Absolutely agree. The argument is a bit shit. If people are entitled to boo only because they spent a lot of money that would mean that every Utd fan coming from abroad can boo the team while the lads from Manchester arent allowed to do so. I spent around 600 pounds to see Utd against Tottenham a year ago (including flight/hotel). After we were 2-0 down at half time i could have booed the team while the local fans around me (only paying about 50 pounds) were not allowed to do so.
Of course there were no booing at all. The fans were supportive and i have to say that that was one of the most impressive things i witnessed on this day. Singing the lungs out to help the team to come back. Thats what fans should do imo and that has nothing to do with money.
 
Only idiots get upset by international football. It's been a long time ago since I could get excited about these sort of games. I actually enjoy watching my national team fall out - whenever they do. I watch it as a background on vacation to watch some players you dont usually see, or new coming signings for us. It's all just a bit of going to the amusement park. It's hard to feel sympathy for these "ipod listening - trendy clothes wearing-shying away from fans- handbags of footballers of today. When I saw the dressing rooms fixed with styling gels, shaving equipment etc I decided it was enough for me.
 
It's pathetic, it's like the media actually managed to convince people that England had the given right to win the World Cup this year. It clouded them to the fact that England are actually a very, very shit football team.
 
It's a form of frustration actually, i think that deep down those fans who really go there and spend money wishes England well, and ffs they don't go there just to find an excuse to boo their national team, nobody's that lame.

But to be fair, that gutless piece of shite deserves to get booed, they're gutless, clueless and playing without passion.

And we all know what they're capable off.

Like someone said, nobody's crying if Australia's playing badly, but England are not even playing bad, they're playing wayyyy beyond their standard as if they don't give a shit about playing in the biggest thing in the professional football.

Besides, TV needs to be bombastic in a way, hearing "I was disappointed" x 1000 doesn't make an interesting scene.
 
Its easy to rubbish the argument when you only ever watch games on tv. When you make sacrifices, taking time of work, spending money etc to go and watch your team, what you want to see is them putting in an effort at the very least.
 
SharkyMcShark said:
I'm listening to various football podcasts and what I'm hearing the is the biggest load of self entitled rubbish. Endless Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime arguing that they spent x thousand pounds going to watch England and want their money back/are shocked by it all because they've drawn two games at the World Cup.

I've not put this in the WC forum because it's something that is trotted out by fans (mainly of england but also club football aswell) whenever their team doesn't perform.

Am I the only one shat off by this argument? Ostensibly you go to a match to get behind your team and hope they win - apparently now it has become a situation where buying a ticket entitles you to free flowing high scoring rampant football or you'll boo your team off.
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I agree, the corollary of this argument is that if someone wins a ticket or gets it as a gift they can't boo! It's just silly.

For me either booing is counter productive and acting like a cnut or it's not. The idea that spending cash allows you to act like a cnut is at the core of a lot of problems these days.
 
I just had this exact discussion with a friend that day.

I have little pity for people who complain about the money they spent to get to the World Cup. You spend that money in the hope that you'll get some form of reward (the whole World Cup experience, hopefully watching you team win et). It's always a gamble. And if you decide to gamble, you can't complain when it doesn't pay off.

If you need to loan money just to watch the World Cup, then you're buying something you can't really afford, and the stakes are so high for you that maybe you really shouldn't have bothered in the first place.

Go to the World Cup, get behind your team, and enjoy the experience. You support your team because of who they are, not what they can or cannot do on the pitch. It's not a circus performance you're watching, it's a competitive sport against an opponent hell bent on preventing you from doing your best. If you can't deal with the unpredicability, stay at home, and watch reruns on TV.
 
If they were real lads, they wouldn't have any french mates, apart from Kouroux and maybe a couple of others that coul just about qualify.
 
I think the truth is that amongst football followers, there aren't many supporters any more - just customers who expect success/to be entertained



I suppose, if you follow Torquay United you are probably supporting your team in view of the chances of success (and I say that without having a clue how they fared last season) similarly, supporting the likes of Australia is done out of blind erm.... "patriotism" in view of their chances/pedigree and that most of their fans have no interest in football outside their country's involvement
 
I have been saying all month that football fans are idiots who think national temas/football clubs/footballlers owe them something because they pay to watch
 
well you can't always have your team play well but if you have payed a vast fortune to go and support your team and what you are watching appears to be them putting in a real lack of effort and unable to get a result a against a far inferior team then they have every right to vent their frustration.

Some people on here are dick heads to be honest they like to slag of the england fans for giving their players a bit of stick but are probably the first people to come on here when United lose saying we have got to drop o'shit and Neville & Scholes have got to retire.
 
Denis' cuff said:
I think the truth is that amongst football followers, there aren't many supporters any more - just customers who expect success/to be entertained



I suppose, if you follow Torquay United you are probably supporting your team in view of the chances of success (and I say that without having a clue how they fared last season) similarly, supporting the likes of Australia is done out of blind erm.... "patriotism" in view of their chances/pedigree and that most of their fans have no interest in football outside their country's involvement
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I wouldnt agree with that at all, most people i know who are regular united goers or fans dont ever mention money after a crushing defeat. After chelsea and bayern munich i walked back to my flat in salford with Starkie_1, he'd driven up from bath, been up since 7, spent a shitload more than me and was working the next day. I can be certain neither of us ever mentioned money we'd spent or travel time (ok mine was about 2 miles each way, but still long walk!). purely complained about football matters and individual players etc...

I also didnt hear one person complain about going to Rome to watch a poor game and performance complain about money or time off work. Only ones i could expert to hear complain would be non matchgoers
 
Denis' cuff said:
I think the truth is that amongst football followers, there aren't many supporters any more - just customers who expect success
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I'd say outside the top four you are getting into shaky ground with that argument. I've got plenty of mates back home who follow lower league sides win lose or draw it's all about having a good day out and falling through the front door at midnight with a big smile on your face.
 
Bread said:
I wouldnt agree with that at all, most people i know who are regular united goers or fans dont ever mention money after a crushing defeat. After chelsea and bayern munich i walked back to my flat in salford with Starkie_1, he'd driven up from bath, been up since 7, spent a shitload more than me and was working the next day. I can be certain neither of us ever mentioned money we'd spent or travel time (ok mine was about 2 miles each way, but still long walk!). purely complained about football matters and individual players etc...

I also didnt hear one person complain about going to Rome to watch a poor game and performance complain about money or time off work. Only ones i could expert to hear complain would be non matchgoers
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I suppose I was straying a bit from the OP in my main reference to fans expecting to be entertained. Us Salfordians aren't amongst that number ;) but there are plenty at OT and it appears also following their national sides, There have always been moaners - nowadays they have some justification in bringing cost into it bearing in mind what it does actually cost. You and your mate are obviously decent supporters and watching United in the ECF is an emotional experience that rules out any financial considerations. In fact, now I think of it, I don't know of any United fan who complains of performance linked to cost but I'm sure there are a few. We probably have less cause for complaint, Glazers notwithstanding

Tumbling-Dice said:
I'd say outside the top four you are getting into shaky ground with that argument. I've got plenty of mates back home who follow lower league sides win lose or draw it's all about having a good day out and falling through the front door at midnight with a big smile on your face.
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:D

well yeah but that's why I put the bit about torquay in. I know a few Stockport County fans who don't expect the European Cup anytime soon. I suppose the thing needs defining regarding teams who expect success and those who don't. I suppose the same is reflected in their followers
 
They could just as well stay home and clamor, "I paid good Sky money, stayed home smelling like piss with pizza crumbs all over to watch England win"
 
Once the fans realise that the England team and its players have been massively overrated in the last 20 years, they wont expect wins in every game.

And as for the right of booing your own players just cause you spent money - its ridiculous
 
The supposed entitlement of football fans is something that always does my head in.
It's as if there of the opinion that 'You work for me' in relation to Manager and players.
Alot of them need to get their priorities right and get a fecking life. It's a game that is supposed to be enjoyed through the good and the bad times.
 
I could understand it in the World Cup after the Algeria game, it followed a series of poor performances, those people had spent thousands of pounds travelling to support the team and the least they could expect is a little bit of effort, that Algeria game was devoid of anything it was embarassing. They deserved to be booed.

Booing your team after a poor performance v Montenegro following some quite good performance in the other group games is a bit fecking stupid though, and there's no need, especially when are squad is by and large extremely average.,
 
kouroux said:
I couldn't watch the match last night so can someone briefly summarize it to me :D ?
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England attacked, Montenegro defended. England created a couple decent chances, had one stonewall pen and one potential pen appeal, but lacked the ideas or guile to breakdown Montenegro's defence. Got a fair few corners and FKs in decent areas which is usually good news for England but the delivery was really poor. Montenegro had some nice looking breaks but didn't create anything, other than an amazing volley from 35 yards that hammered the crossbar. Rooney played ok but inevitably took stick for underperforming and being out of form. He forced a couple good saves from the keeper and his overall play was good. Barry was particularly awful and gave the ball away alot. He and Gerrard have no idea what to do against teams that defend so deep. Crouch was Crouch. Adam Johnson was decent, but why he and Young were on the wrong flanks when the gameplan was seemingly to get crosses into the box I don't know. Full backs got forwards okay but Glen Johnson is so erratic. Centre backs were untested. Rio tried forcing the game at times stepping into midfield with the ball, but he'd usually find Barry and Gerrard stood gormlessly beside or behind him.
 
Bar a couple of name changes, I have watched this England game you described there dozens of times over the last 10-20 years.
 
Rowem said:
England attacked, Montenegro defended. England created a couple decent chances, had one stonewall pen and one potential pen appeal, but lacked the ideas or guile to breakdown Montenegro's defence. Got a fair few corners and FKs in decent areas which is usually good news for England but the delivery was really poor. Montenegro had some nice looking breaks but didn't create anything, other than an amazing volley from 35 yards that hammered the crossbar. Rooney played ok but inevitably took stick for underperforming and being out of form. He forced a couple good saves from the keeper and his overall play was good. Barry was particularly awful and gave the ball away alot. He and Gerrard have no idea what to do against teams that defend so deep. Crouch was Crouch. Adam Johnson was decent, but why he and Young were on the wrong flanks when the gameplan was seemingly to get crosses into the box I don't know. Full backs got forwards okay but Glen Johnson is so erratic. Centre backs were untested. Rio tried forcing the game at times stepping into midfield with the ball, but he'd usually find Barry and Gerrard stood gormlessly beside or behind him.
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Cheers
 
Wonder Pigeon said:
Its easy to rubbish the argument when you only ever watch games on tv. When you make sacrifices, taking time of work, spending money etc to go and watch your team, what you want to see is them putting in an effort at the very least.
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I would like to reiterate this opinion, only without the spelling mistakes.
 
Rowem said:
England attacked, Montenegro defended. England created a couple decent chances, had one stonewall pen and one potential pen appeal, but lacked the ideas or guile to breakdown Montenegro's defence. Got a fair few corners and FKs in decent areas which is usually good news for England but the delivery was really poor. Montenegro had some nice looking breaks but didn't create anything, other than an amazing volley from 35 yards that hammered the crossbar. Rooney played ok but inevitably took stick for underperforming and being out of form. He forced a couple good saves from the keeper and his overall play was good. Barry was particularly awful and gave the ball away alot. He and Gerrard have no idea what to do against teams that defend so deep. Crouch was Crouch. Adam Johnson was decent, but why he and Young were on the wrong flanks when the gameplan was seemingly to get crosses into the box I don't know. Full backs got forwards okay but Glen Johnson is so erratic. Centre backs were untested. Rio tried forcing the game at times stepping into midfield with the ball, but he'd usually find Barry and Gerrard stood gormlessly beside or behind him.
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It's almost as if Montenegro were giving a disciplined away performance. Credit to them, England didn't work as hard as them throughout the game.
 
Wonder Pigeon said:
Its easy to rubbish the argument when you only ever watch games on TV. When you make sacrifices, taking time of work, spending money etc to go and watch your team, what you want to see is them putting in an effort at the very least.
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You have to give Montenegro credit for their discipline here, England were just too arrogant and didn't believe they would have to raise their game, players with talent don't alway need the urgency and workrate when they expect an easy win.

It was never going to be an easy win no matter how great England played, they believed they deserved to win, that some fancy passing would scare the Montengrins into capitulation and anxious mistakes.

I'll give credit to England, they weren't as arrogant as Bulgaria and Switzerland were ... though I'd imagine that many of the fans wanted to see them be like that though.
 
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