What does 7-0 against Blackburn Rovers, Aston Villa, Wolves, and Liverpool actually mean?

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Well the 7-0’s against Blackburn Rovers, Aston Villa, and Wolves were well before my time in the 1920’s and 1930’s, so instead I will just concentrate on yesterday’s result against Liverpool.

Was it a Cup Final?
  • No, it was a league match that was worth 3 points
Are Liverpool going to win the league?
  • No
Did it match Liverpool’s highest ever league defeat?
  • No, that was 9-1 against Birmingham City

What Liverpool did yesterday, had already been done to us three times before, by three different teams.

So when you narrow it down, what does yesterday’s result actually mean?
It simply means they won 3 points against us in a season where they won't win the league.

We can all relax now.
 
Ridiculous post, it doesn’t just mean 3 points to Liverpool.
We’ve just lost 7-0 to our main rivals, who have had a shit season while our fans have been bragging and laughing at them. It’s an absolutely horrendous result.
 
I suppose you will get different answers to this if you ask fans that still care about football rivalries, the Liverpool one in particular, and those who do not care about it at all. I assume you do not based on the reasoning in the OP
 
I don't think it is the end of the world and we are going to fail at all fronts now but I also do not like completely dismissing this as just a bad day at the office and a meaningless result. It is going to affect our team, it is going to affect the teams that are playing us in the future and it does highlight major weaknesses that we still have. It's a big wake up call and puts a very significant blemish on our season.
 
As you say, Blackburn, Villa and Wolves happened a long time ago in a time where football wasn’t as publicised as it is now. Neither of them are considered rivals of ours though let alone are biggest rivals and that what hurts the most. This was a humiliating defeat at the hands of our arch rivals who have been shit all season. This one is going to take a little while to get over.
 
Thank God it meant nothing.

There was me thinking all day yesterday we had just been totally humiliated by our biggest rivals
 
This season...

United vs City (Won 1, Lost 1)
United vs Arsenal (Won 1, Lost 1)
United vs Liverpool (Won 1, Lost 1)

The manner of the Liverpool defeat and the timing is the real killer, but come Thursday night we will all be here to watch Real Betis, nothing should surprise you anymore in football but it does...that's the beauty of the game.

United were overly confident and get their arses handed to them.
 
Thank God it meant nothing.

There was me thinking all day yesterday we had just been totally humiliated by our biggest rivals
:lol: Honestly.

It was our worst ever defeat in PL history against our biggest rivals. Of course it fecking means something.
 
The result has few implications in terms of the league as of yet, but it follows a 9-0 aggregate defeat last season. It'd be nice if we'd stop getting battered by them, as you know we will never return the favour.

Even back when we were at our peak we were getting done 4-1 at Old Trafford by them. A couple of years later when they were really awful they were 3-0 up against us after an hour an Anfield in a season where we won the league.

We don't seem to have the same passion for the fixture as them, especially at Anfield where we always lose our heads.
 
Simply speaking yes, it doesn't mean more than losing 1-0.
However, looking at it from a bigger picture, I think we are clearly developing a very bad habbit of conceding a lot of goals against them in the last couple of years or so. Our last 5 fixtures:

13 May 2021Manchester United v LiverpoolL2-4Premier League
24 Oct 2021Manchester United v LiverpoolL0-5Premier League
19 Apr 2022Liverpool v Manchester UnitedL4-0Premier League
22 Aug 2022Manchester United v LiverpoolW2-1Premier League
05 Mar 2023Liverpool v Manchester UnitedL7-0Premier League

4 losses, 4 goals scored and 21 conceded, conceded 4+ goals in every single loss and our 2 last away games against them finished in 0-4 and 0-7. I think it's very easy to develop a mental barrier (I think we already have it, going to Anfield is always pretty much hopeless).
 
On a weekend where Newcastle and Spurs lost, we pretty much handed Liverpool the best possible Champions League qualification chance with a huge boost to their morale.
 
Going back a 100 years to make yourself feel better. That is some quality copium.

I don't understand how anyone can be a fan of Manchester United and just brush off probably the biggest humiliation in the history of the club like it's nothing. "Oh yeah, we got obliterated like no one alive has ever seen, but oh well...". Yes, it absolutely matters.
 
Well the 7-0’s against Blackburn Rovers, Aston Villa, and Wolves were well before my time in the 1920’s and 1930’s, so instead I will just concentrate on yesterday’s result against Liverpool.

Was it a Cup Final?
  • No, it was a league match that was worth 3 points
Are Liverpool going to win the league?
  • No
Did it match Liverpool’s highest ever league defeat?
  • No, that was 9-1 against Birmingham City

What Liverpool did yesterday, had already been done to us three times before, by three different teams.

So when you narrow it down, what does yesterday’s result actually mean?
It simply means they won 3 points against us in a season where they won't win the league.

We can all relax now.
Spoken by someone who doesn't have any Liverpool supporting mates. My phone has been off the hook with gloating all morning. Even the Blackburn fan a work has been giving it large.

It's fecking embarrassing and a real fecking bastard to deal with.
 
The 7-0 only means 3 points like the 4-1 during SAF. Unless it is like the Leicester city(iirc) game under LVG after which the team started a downward spiral.
 
It's a reflection of how our players still have the capacity to get absolute shat on when the going gets tough. It's a big concern that needs to be addressed by management as we continue the rebuild.

Edit - Should say that this won't happen every time as we've clearly showed resolve several times this season but it's there
 
Let’s be honest the 5-0 and 4-0 last season were worse if consider the overall picture. They were on course for a quadruple, we were the worst we’ve ever been (like literally shambolic).

The result last night is difficult to stomach, but when you consider the fact that a) they’re out of all competitions, b) below us in the league, and c) we won a cup last weekend and have a big chance to win at least one other one, you realise why Liverpool will make more of this result. It's all they have. They'll cling onto it for dear life.
 
It depends what meaning you personally assign to it.

Greater value will be given to it by more tribal types with stunted emotions (reactionary rather than thoughtful) - the people who celebrate signing superstar players more than the slow development of a team for eg. (There are plenty of these.)

More thoughtful people will come to terms with it more quickly and shift their focus to the bigger picture. The initial focus is now on how the players respond to this humiliation. The ones who don't stand up and give everything to make amends need to be binned in the Summer.
 
FFS , people trying to pass off a 7 - 0 defeat to Liverpool as just another game , you had others on here yesterday saying they are not bothered by the result.

Why support Man Utd if you are not bothered by the result V Liverpool.

Anyone who thinks this is just a run of the mill defeat is delusional, Football is more than stats and spreadsheets , to the casual supporter is it only 3 opts dropped to many of us it is far bigger.

We will have this defeat thrown in our faces for years to come, the only ones who can set it right are the manager and players, it is is going too take a lot of hard work and results for this team to get back the trust of many supporters. Once that is lost it is a very hard thing to get back.
 
Simply speaking yes, it doesn't mean more than losing 1-0.
However, looking at it from a bigger picture, I think we are clearly developing a very bad habbit of conceding a lot of goals against them in the last couple of years or so. Our last 5 fixtures:

13 May 2021Manchester United v LiverpoolL2-4Premier League
24 Oct 2021Manchester United v LiverpoolL0-5Premier League
19 Apr 2022Liverpool v Manchester UnitedL4-0Premier League
22 Aug 2022Manchester United v LiverpoolW2-1Premier League
05 Mar 2023Liverpool v Manchester UnitedL7-0Premier League

4 losses, 4 goals scored and 21 conceded, conceded 4+ goals in every single loss and our 2 last away games against them finished in 0-4 and 0-7. I think it's very easy to develop a mental barrier (I think we already have it, going to Anfield is always pretty much hopeless).
To be fair to us - the 2-4 at home was our 3rd PL game in 5 days, when we were competing on 2 other fronts. The players were running on empty (and we had 2nd tied up iirc). And we did beat them that season in the FA Cup 3-2 as well (and drew at Anfield 0-0).

No excuses for the 5-0, 4-0 and the 7-0 though - embarrassing.
 
Ridiculous post, it doesn’t just mean 3 points to Liverpool.
We’ve just lost 7-0 to our main rivals, who have had a shit season while our fans have been bragging and laughing at them. It’s an absolutely horrendous result.

It didn't happen at Old Trafford, and they never became the first ever team to score 8 goals past us.
If anything they were late to the party, as three other teams had already beaten us 7-0 in the past.

In a nutshell they didn't do something to us that hadn't already been done to us before by another team.
 
I suppose you will get different answers to this if you ask fans that still care about football rivalries, the Liverpool one in particular, and those who do not care about it at all. I assume you do not based on the reasoning in the OP

The rivalry is massive, but the result wasn't something that another team hadn't already done to us before (three other teams in fact).

Had they have scored 8 then that would have been the worst humiliation ever to us... as the most goals we have ever conceded in a match is 7

In the all time head to head against them we still have the upper hand in all-time wins:
90 to their 81
(https://www.11v11.com/teams/manchester-united/tab/opposingTeams/opposition/Liverpool/)
 
It didn't happen at Old Trafford, and they never became the first ever team to score 8 goals past us.
If anything they were late to the party, as three other teams had already beaten us 7-0 in the past.

In a nutshell they didn't do something to us that hadn't already been done to us before by another team.

Do you understand the rivalry between Liverpool and us?

On anther thread last night where someone else was passing the result off as no big deal , When I asked them about the rivalry they responded that they don't get the tribalism involved in sport and respected Liverpool were almost happy it was them that done it to us rather than another club.

Maybe it is my age but I don't understand a lot of our supporters on here.
 
Do you understand the rivalry between Liverpool and us?

On anther thread last night where someone else was passing the result off as no big deal , When I asked them about the rivalry they responded that they don't get the tribalism involved in sport and respected Liverpool were almost happy it was them that done it to us rather than another club.

Maybe it is my age but I don't understand a lot of our supporters on here.

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I don't think it is the end of the world and we are going to fail at all fronts now but I also do not like completely dismissing this as just a bad day at the office and a meaningless result. It is going to affect our team, it is going to affect the teams that are playing us in the future and it does highlight major weaknesses that we still have. It's a big wake up call and puts a very significant blemish on our season.

I agree, and hopefully it will be something that is addressed in the Summer transfer window.
 
I don't get why so many seem incapable of having any negative thoughts. We've seen it constantly over the last 10 years where everything has to be calm and they'll only admit the shit show years later.

We just got embarrassed by our biggest rival in an historically significant manner. Unleash the fury for feck sake and stop trying to pretend all is fine. It's okay to be angry now and again.
 
This season...

United vs City (Won 1, Lost 1)
United vs Arsenal (Won 1, Lost 1)
United vs Liverpool (Won 1, Lost 1)

The manner of the Liverpool defeat and the timing is the real killer, but come Thursday night we will all be here to watch Real Betis, nothing should surprise you anymore in football but it does...that's the beauty of the game.

United were overly confident and get their arses handed to them.
More concerning is our goal difference in these 6 games ; GS 12 GC 19 horrendous we’ve averaged more than 3 goals conceded in each game and the Casemeiro Martinez Varane triangle all played yesterday and two of them played against city, what it means is that ETH got it wrong against Liverpool and City away we are not yet ready to go toe to toe with either of them until we make 5 or 6 Additional world class signings.
 
As you say, Blackburn, Villa and Wolves happened a long time ago in a time where football wasn’t as publicised as it is now. Neither of them are considered rivals of ours though let alone are biggest rivals and that what hurts the most. This was a humiliating defeat at the hands of our arch rivals who have been shit all season. This one is going to take a little while to get over.

Only time will tell if we have revived their season, but as it stands we have a trophy in the bag, and they don't.
When all is said and done, we both took 3 points off each other this season.
They got their points in a joint-record win against us, whereas we got ours from a 2-1 win against them.
Neither of us will win the league this season.
 
I couldn't fecking sleep because of yesterday's shitshow.
The only way to get over that is to win more silverware and absolutely finish above them.
We don't play them again until next season so avenging that is off the cards and I very much doubt they'll lie down for us I'm the same way, regardless of the team they put out.
 
Do you understand the rivalry between Liverpool and us?

On anther thread last night where someone else was passing the result off as no big deal , When I asked them about the rivalry they responded that they don't get the tribalism involved in sport and respected Liverpool were almost happy it was them that done it to us rather than another club.

Maybe it is my age but I don't understand a lot of our supporters on here.

Oh yeah, I saw that post. Embarrassing stuff!

By that point, why don't people just check the table after each game week and be done with it? Why even bother engaging with the club anymore? It's just points at the end of the day. Or just check who has won what when the season ends.
 
Oh yeah, I saw that post. Embarrassing stuff!

By that point, why don't people just check the table after each game week and be done with it? Why even bother engaging with the club anymore? It's just points at the end of the day. Or just check who has won what when the season ends.

Exactly , to some yesterday just seems like just another stat. There seems to be no emotional involvement.

The day I don't get very worked up over a shambles like yesterday is the day I check out of Football altogether.
 
Ridiculous post, it doesn’t just mean 3 points to Liverpool.
We’ve just lost 7-0 to our main rivals, who have had a shit season while our fans have been bragging and laughing at them. It’s an absolutely horrendous result.
I still laughed at them today.

You're really getting all giddy over winning a football match after telling me it was small time to celebrate winning the League cup last week.

You're still 7 points behind us outside the top 4 and are going to finish the season without a trophy. This is us at the start of a rebuild while you're supposed to be the best team in the world EVA.

One guy started moaning because I wouldn't let them have one day.

Don't let them set the narrative.
 
The rivalry is massive, but the result wasn't something that another team hadn't already done to us before (three other teams in fact).

Had they have scored 8 then that would have been the worst humiliation ever to us... as the most goals we have ever conceded in a match is 7

In the all time head to head against them we still have the upper hand in all-time wins:
90 to their 81
(https://www.11v11.com/teams/manchester-united/tab/opposingTeams/opposition/Liverpool/)

I follow football for the passion of the game. Not the sum of the season. Every game.

In my daily life I have a large number of employees that rely on me, worries about the economical impact of covid/ukraine, house renovation, training and finding time for my family and friends. A daily life that decides where we go in life.

For 90 minutes twice a week I get to put all that aside and act in a way I never do at work. I will sit with whisky in hand and scream at the TV, I will hop around and I will allow myself the pleasure of feeling without a care in the world. For those reasons every game matter. I let myself be engufled in the rivalries of old, hopes for a title, insufferable nerves when a tight game reaches its final minutes and even the heartbreak that comes with defeat. Manchester United is my passion. I have hobbies, goals and ambitions, but this club and what goes on on that pitch for 90 minutes is my passion.

Winning without losing is pointless. If you have never been down, getting up will not feel as good. Its just another day with some good news on top of it. That is why I allow myself to be angry at the players for what happened last night. I allow myself to feel distraught, sad and frustrated about a result that is a embarrasment to my passion. Its healthy for me. At work I cant sit and be angry, I dont get to sit and be distraught at home, I have to be on the up-and-up at all times. But not when I watch football, then I get to do the same thing I have done as when I was a child: Feel joy, and sadness both take turns as we win and lose. I get to keep the child in me for this one thing that will stay with me for the rest of my life, while the adult pays bills, raises a family and builds a house with my bare hands. I talk about the game with my dad, me and my brother both visit my parents sometimes to watch games together all 3 of us. We all cheer, shout, live. All because Manchester United are playing a game of football.

Being a footbal fan is tribal in its purest form,its irrational, possibly stupid. But I love it with every fiber of my being. Its my escape.

Being happy about progress, the big picture and results in the past is just as big a part of this as being angered by a result so shameful it gets placed in the history books. They are both true.

Following the club without the romance of the eras past and hopes for the future is meaningless. Zero-sum rationale that dominate the talking points dont mesh with my view of what football is. Football is passion, rivalries are important, and results matter. Every result matter. Some matter more than others, by far. That is why yesterdays result was atrocious, a shame, and a lesson to be learned let it never happen again.

I am well aware that you can rationale away anything and make it not important. Its just a game, its just a freakresult, it doesnt mean anything. To you. If that is how you feel, then fine, no one can tell you you are wrong. I dont assume that everyone agree with my view of things either. Nothing is ever true for everyone.
 
It didn't happen at Old Trafford, and they never became the first ever team to score 8 goals past us.
If anything they were late to the party, as three other teams had already beaten us 7-0 in the past.

In a nutshell they didn't do something to us that hadn't already been done to us before by another team.

Yeah you must be trolling.
 
Losing games happens, but that manner of defeat is hard to just brush off. Every one of our players lost their bottle and allowed that to happen, its simply unforgiveable.

Yeah, it is only 3 points, but once again we are pools easiest game at Anfield. It was embarrassing, and shows that we are still way behind where we need to be if we are to challenge.
 
instead of minimising the damage ETH went for minimising the chance of a red card or injury to our main players. Would you prefer a 4-0 and a red card to Casemiro? Controversial decision but I can understand it.
 
Losing games happens, but that manner of defeat is hard to just brush off. Every one of our players lost their bottle and allowed that to happen, its simply unforgiveable.

Yeah, it is only 3 points, but once again we are pools easiest game at Anfield. It was embarrassing, and shows that we are still way behind where we need to be if we are to challenge.
We are but we've came a long way since last season. There are still too many players that have to play every single games or we lose all balance this leads to fatigue. The wheels could come off because we run out of steam.

I hated yesterday. I made myself watch every single minute and hardly slept last night but we can't let it derail the season.
 
Simply speaking yes, it doesn't mean more than losing 1-0.
However, looking at it from a bigger picture, I think we are clearly developing a very bad habbit of conceding a lot of goals against them in the last couple of years or so. Our last 5 fixtures:

13 May 2021Manchester United v LiverpoolL2-4Premier League
24 Oct 2021Manchester United v LiverpoolL0-5Premier League
19 Apr 2022Liverpool v Manchester UnitedL4-0Premier League
22 Aug 2022Manchester United v LiverpoolW2-1Premier League
05 Mar 2023Liverpool v Manchester UnitedL7-0Premier League

4 losses, 4 goals scored and 21 conceded, conceded 4+ goals in every single loss and our 2 last away games against them finished in 0-4 and 0-7. I think it's very easy to develop a mental barrier (I think we already have it, going to Anfield is always pretty much hopeless).

It’s a bit massive emotionally right now (probably to some of the players, like Bruno, as well). On the other hand, making it out to be a trend is somewhat context blind. The first game on that list, we had beaten Liverpool 3-2 just a month or so before to send them out of the FA Cup, and in that league game we played with the brakes on as I recall as we’d had three games in five days, the league was over (we were dead certs for 2nd, Liverpool were below us). So putting that result in there is a bit deceiving.

The collapse under Solskjær and subsequently Rangnik was it’s own sitiation, really had little to do with Liverpool. So Ten Hag started quite afres with Liverpool, I think, and that was borne out by us beating them in a tight gameeven though the crisis mood then was comparable to the season before.

So I thinkwhat happened now had little to do with rivalry or former games, and rather more to do with what happened against City away: We are not fully accomplished in the high press and vertical counter yet. We are good enough to outplay most teams that way even if we fall behing, and we are good enough to play a tight game against any team, but if the players become overcooked and lose calm and discipline against a top, top side, we can get slaughtered on the counter. This happened to Klopp a bit early on as well. Yesterday, it was a tight game until Shaw gave the ball away one minute into the second half To put us two down in four effective mountes, wasting everything that was prepared in the break, and then players started losing their heads - ironically while Liverpool played as if they were leading the CL final. Of course 8-6 shots on goal, 7-0 goals says something about ‘one of those days’, but I think if we put emotions to the side for a second, it’s easy to see that this is nothing to worry overly about, unless you thought we were already a world beater.
 
It means 14 goal difference from our top 4 rival/contender, who wasn’t much of contender before that game.

We also somehow drop from title challenger/outsider to top 4 contender in just one game.

And of course we are all likely to go through weeks of verbal shaming on the internet.
 
It means 14 goal difference from our top 4 rival/contender, who wasn’t much of contender before that game.

We also somehow drop from title challenger/outsider to top 4 contender in just one game.

And of course we are all likely to go through weeks of verbal shaming on the internet.

Which means nothing when we lift another trophy and comfortably finish 3rd. Looking forward to next season to get revenge
 
Would you rather win the league cup final and lose to Liverpool 7-0 or lose the league cup final and draw vs Liverpool?

Would you rather beat Barca to advance in the Europa and lose 7-0 to Liverpool or get bounced by Barca and draw vs Liverpool?

In either case, I'd take the Cup victories/advancing, especially given the state of the EPL table. Emotionally, it was maybe the worst result you could imagine but in my opinion was not even close to the worst performance of the past decade.

4-0 to Brantford just this year plus games vs City where we literally couldn't get a touch for minutes at a time. Horrific performances against bottom of the table teams at OT. This performance was not that. Bad game where nothing came off, every bounce went to them and their 3 strikers played better than they have all season.

Take the emotion and banter out of it and it's 3 points dropped against a top team on the road that had much more to play for. A bad, bad game and very unlucky in the midst of a very successful season. Now, if this sends the team into a spiral where they get bounced out of the remaining cups and out of top 4, then that will certainly be something. But I just don't see it and refuse an emotional overreaction to 1 horrific result.