What do we want more, given a choice?

I think winning the Champ's League without winning your own League has no value whatsoever....

It shows that you are 'The Kings Of Europe' but can't even win the honours in your Country....
I would love to win the Champ's League, but not at the expense of the League....
 
Originally posted by Paz:
<strong>I think winning the Champ's League without winning your own League has no value whatsoever....

It shows that you are 'The Kings Of Europe' but can't even win the honours in your Country....
I would love to win the Champ's League, but not at the expense of the League....</strong><hr></blockquote>

Interesting question, isn't it? ;) <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
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Originally posted by Paz:
<strong>I think winning the Champ's League without winning your own League has no value whatsoever....

It shows that you are 'The Kings Of Europe' but can't even win the honours in your Country....
I would love to win the Champ's League, but not at the expense of the League....</strong><hr></blockquote>

i don't agree with you..

A team that has just won their league title will obviously set their target on Champions Cup if they think they're capable of getting it. Some teams are not big enough to play 50-60 games a year so they have to pick one trophy and concentrate on it.

Real Madrid, United, Bayern are clubs big enough to do both in the same year - but if they face too many injuries along the way then they'll have to sacrifice atleast one trophy.

Fans of clubs that have just won the league will want to see their club go a step further by winning the Champions Cup - there is no doubt about it.
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Only a manager with balls of steel would consider foregoing the league to land the Champions League.

Because if you don't win it, you may not get the chance to play in it the following year if your league position is too low!

The financial consequences and the knock-on effects are unthinkable.
 
Originally posted by Marcus:
<strong>Only a manager with balls of steel would consider foregoing the league to land the Champions League.

Because if you don't win it, you may not get the chance to play in it the following year if your league position is too low!

The financial consequences and the knock-on effects are unthinkable.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i agree.. but if you look at Real's, United's, and Bayern's positions over the years you would see that they have never finished outside the Champions League place in the league..

I think they push for the Champions Cup while still make sure they finish high enough to cover for mistakes that could happen in the Champions Cup.. I personally believe that without their targets on the Champions Cup these three teams can win their league titles 5-6 years running without much problem at all.
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Originally posted by RUnited:
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Fans of clubs that have just won the league will want to see their club go a step further by winning the Champions Cup - there is no doubt about it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That is also my point of view. The more prestigious thing is what needs to be concentrated on. I don't mean to say that we have by any means to lie down and let ourselves be rolled over in the domestic league. No, but sure the Champions' League should be the very ultimate of our goals. Being Kings of Europe and the world.
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I heard someone said in the forum that United board always sets their target at:

1. Top 3 finish in the league
2. Quarter Finals berth in the Champions Cup

These targets are to match their financial budget for every season.

This shows the importance of finishing every season respectably while not losing sights of either trophies. After the second group phase it's now down to who plays better on the day they face each other in the knock-out rounds. We were knocked out against Dortmund in '97 undeservingly after having atleast 10 shots on goal in both the games. So obviously it is harder to win the Champions Cup - but it certainly doesn't mean we can sacrifice our performances in Champions Cup to win the league, or vice versa.
 
Winning the Champions League @ Old Trafford would do me fine.
 
Greedily I hope our team can win all the trophies inside England including the league, fa cup and the wothington cup. As the current form the team, we got the high potential to do so. Especially the Premier League, I think the team should put high priority efforts on it. For the Champion Leagues title, I don't put a high hopes on it as there are stronger teams like Real Madrid & AC Milan to surpass. But I do wish our team can make it into the final because I know they can. :)
 
Originally posted by kitgs11:
<strong> For the Champion Leagues title, I don't put a high hopes on it as there are stronger teams like Real Madrid & AC Milan to surpass. But I do wish our team can make it into the final because I know they can. :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

the only way to prove we are class ahead of others is to beat the stronger teams. Simple as that. We don't want to turn United into Rangers or Celtic of Scotland where we win all the domestic titles and then fail to impress in the CL. It doesn't make any sense. EPL is one of the most attractive leagues because the winner of the league puts up a good show in the CL and have high potential to go on and win it everytime.
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Originally posted by spinoza:
<strong>Champions League is what United is about. We've got a prouder tradition in Europe than any other English club, including Liverpool.</strong><hr></blockquote>

why is that? I thought Liverpool were the pride of English football in Europe until we started to spread our power in the mid-90's?
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Personally the Prem means more to me at the moment, i agree if you arent champs of your own land the Champs league means nothing.
 
A trophy is a trophy after all, and compared to what we won last year the Worthington would certainly be a start.

Also, I get the feeling that SAF has his sights set on trying to win all 4 because of the fact he came away empty handed last year and then had peopel questioning his hunger, what better way to show how hungry you are than to simply win all trophies in your path and ram some of the detractors words right back down their throats!! :mad:
 
Originally posted by wetfarm:
<strong>A trophy is a trophy after all, and compared to what we won last year the Worthington would certainly be a start.</strong><hr></blockquote>

:eek:
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As much as I'd love to win the European Cup above everything else, I still don't agree with the format allowing 'non-champions' in the competion (not that I was complaining in 99 ;) ). In the name of morals, I'd say the Premiership.

But what I really mean is the EC ;)
 
Originally posted by blythy:
<strong>I still don't agree with the format allowing 'non-champions' in the competion (not that I was complaining in 99 ;) ) </strong><hr></blockquote>

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Originally posted by blythy:
<strong>I still don't agree with the format allowing 'non-champions' in the competion </strong><hr></blockquote>

i understand your point but if you think about it and only allowed champions from each country in you would have at most five decent teams and then a load of crap.

thats why the scousers won it so often even tho they try telling us it was harder

:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by RUnited:
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why is that? I thought Liverpool were the pride of English football in Europe until we started to spread our power in the mid-90's?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Busby Babes. And we were the first ever English team to play in Europe. First English club to win it too.

Liverpool won it with 1 great team. We've done it with 2, and the Babes would have won at least 3.
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Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>Had we never won the Prem, ala Poo or Newcastle, then winning the ECL might seem a tad strange, but given that we've dominated the rascal to the tune of 7 titles then... CHAMPIONS OF EUROPE (AGAIN) sounds rather nice

:D </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, that's a good way of putting it.
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Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
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i understand your point but if you think about it and only allowed champions from each country in you would have at most five decent teams and then a load of crap.
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They should re-name it then. 'Top Teams in Europe League' ;)
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