We should learn from Wenger

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As far as investing in players goes. Vieira, Pires, Henry, Ljunberg, Ex-Petit all these guys were nothing until they played for Arsenal. Look at them today, world stars. As much as I hate to admit it we should acknowledge the fact that Wenger is far more wiser when it comes to investing in players than the SAF himself.

I think Martin Ferguson is not doing a good job. He needs to do better. If he does so, well you know whats next!!! <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
 
Don't agree. Players like Schmeichel, Cantona, and more recently Blomqvuist have all been signed by SAF. I am sure he has someone lined up next.
 
Originally posted by Cantona07:
<strong>As far as investing in players goes. Vieira, Pires, Henry, Ljunberg, Ex-Petit all these guys were nothing until they played for Arsenal. Look at them today, world stars. As much as I hate to admit it we should acknowledge the fact that Wenger is far more wiser when it comes to investing in players than the SAF himself.
I think Martin Ferguson is not doing a good job. He needs to do better. If he does so, well you know whats next!!! <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, Henry was an unknown a few yrs after he won the world cup :rolleyes:

Wengers has made a fair few porkers in his time too,

Wiltord, Jeffers and that Japaneee waste of space for more than 10 mill each for starters.
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Originally posted by Cantona07:
<strong>As far as investing in players goes. Vieira, Pires, Henry, Ljunberg, Ex-Petit all these guys were nothing until they played for Arsenal. Look at them today, world stars.
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Beckham, Giggs, Scholes, Gary and Phil Neville, Wallwork, O Shea, Silvestre, Gary Pallister, Peter Schmikes, Stam.... The list could be endless

Players all unheard of until United signed them and invested into them, even from youth level time and money has been spent making them some of the best players the game has ever seen...And I'd pretty much say they are World Stars...
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Players like Ljungberg and Henry played for their national teams when they were signed so they weren't any big risky signings really, but just look what Sir Alex did when he brought in them youth players in 1991/1992 - they were totally unknown and look at them now! Cantona never really made it at Leeds and look what happened to him when Sir Alex took him under his wings. I'd say Wenger has a lot to learn from us in that respect, you don't see many homegrown players in his team.
 
Remember Forlan, Silvestre and Ole, Van Nietselrooy and Chadwick.
 
I feel that SAF has a weakness in buying mid-range players, he has not go the track record that Wenger has got for picking up bargins. Petit was a left back, and not setting the world alight. Viera was a failed resevre player for AC Milan, for 3.5 million was a steal. Anelka cost £250,000 which was very good business.

Also who had heard of Lauren, Grimandi, Ljunberg, Edu, aal good players brought in on the cheap. SAF has had the best youth set up in the country, (cheers Brian Kidd), and has paid top dollar for some classic players Keane, Stam, Cole, RVN, Veron? etc etc . But I feel that Wenger has to be given credit for having a decent scouting system in place to find these players.

Cantona was the exception he was a great buy, but was a proven international before he came to us. So was Schmeichel, Blomqvuist, Irwin, I just feel that we have not got bargin finds in the last few years, we seem to be able to attract top players, but the odd bargin would not go a miss.
 
Apart from Ole, we haven't made any really shrewd buys since about 1993. We've used our financial clout on a number of occasions since then to buy expensive and successful players but not cheap ones. Arsenal on the other hand have made several shrewd buys in recent years (as well as some bad ones).

I agree with the original poster that Martin Ferguson and our scouting team aren't producing the goods.
 
Originally posted by Hornchurch Red:
<strong>I feel that SAF has a weakness in buying mid-range players, he has not go the track record that Wenger has got for picking up bargins. Petit was a left back, and not setting the world alight. Viera was a failed resevre player for AC Milan, for 3.5 million was a steal. Anelka cost £250,000 which was very good business.

Also who had heard of Lauren, Grimandi, Ljunberg, Edu, aal good players brought in on the cheap. SAF has had the best youth set up in the country, (cheers Brian Kidd), and has paid top dollar for some classic players Keane, Stam, Cole, RVN, Veron? etc etc . But I feel that Wenger has to be given credit for having a decent scouting system in place to find these players.

Cantona was the exception he was a great buy, but was a proven international before he came to us. So was Schmeichel, Blomqvuist, Irwin, I just feel that we have not got bargin finds in the last few years, we seem to be able to attract top players, but the odd bargin would not go a miss.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree (damn! a common answer with hornchurch!

:eek: )

I would love to see us sign the next hyppia or anelka.
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Originally posted by Cantona07:
<strong>As far as investing in players goes. Vieira, Pires, Henry, Ljunberg, Ex-Petit all these guys were nothing until they played for Arsenal. Look at them today, world stars. As much as I hate to admit it we should acknowledge the fact that Wenger is far more wiser when it comes to investing in players than the SAF himself.

I think Martin Ferguson is not doing a good job. He needs to do better. If he does so, well you know whats next!!! <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Wenger had worked as coach for Monaco and knew young Henry and Petit. They had already been in the national team and had won the French championship title in 1997. You can't say they were nothing.
Pires and Henry had won the World Cup before joining Arsenal.

Wenger is French and follows the French championship, so he knows well the young promising players (Vieira for example). Even if he manages to take the better of them, those players would have made a career in any place.
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Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>Don't agree. Players like Schmeichel, Cantona, and more recently Blomqvuist have all been signed by SAF. I am sure he has someone lined up next.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Schmeichel and Cantona for sure have been the best we ever signed. And I also hope he SAF has someone lined up next season.
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Originally posted by Jesper:
<strong>Players like Ljungberg and Henry played for their national teams when they were signed so they weren't any big risky signings really, but just look what Sir Alex did when he brought in them youth players in 1991/1992 - they were totally unknown and look at them now! Cantona never really made it at Leeds and look what happened to him when Sir Alex took him under his wings. I'd say Wenger has a lot to learn from us in that respect, you don't see many homegrown players in his team.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You are right. United's home grown talent is arguably the best in the world. The likes of the Nevilles, Scholes, Giggs, becks,Butt, are all world class. But I feel as far as our investments in outside players is concerned needs more attention. Why should we spend millions in players like Veron when we can get them cheaper at their prime. eg. Ronaldo was playing for PSV and was top scorer in the league for two seasons. Who signed him , Barca. We are too slow when it comes to signing players. ;)
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Originally posted by Hornchurch Red:
<strong>I feel that SAF has a weakness in buying mid-range players, he has not go the track record that Wenger has got for picking up bargins. Petit was a left back, and not setting the world alight. Viera was a failed resevre player for AC Milan, for 3.5 million was a steal. Anelka cost £250,000 which was very good business.

Also who had heard of Lauren, Grimandi, Ljunberg, Edu, aal good players brought in on the cheap. SAF has had the best youth set up in the country, (cheers Brian Kidd), and has paid top dollar for some classic players Keane, Stam, Cole, RVN, Veron? etc etc . But I feel that Wenger has to be given credit for having a decent scouting system in place to find these players.

Cantona was the exception he was a great buy, but was a proven international before he came to us. So was Schmeichel, Blomqvuist, Irwin, I just feel that we have not got bargin finds in the last few years, we seem to be able to attract top players, but the odd bargin would not go a miss.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Exactly.

Wenger (no matter how much we hat him) does deserve the credit where its due. He is far more better in picking up players who have the potential to become world class. I think he also has the advantage over Ferguson because of his history in Monaco where he did learn alot about Henry, Vieira, Pires, Petit, Wiltord, Grimandi which makes his investments pay off.
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Deny it if you must. Pires, Petit, and Henry were all World class before Wenger bought them ;)
 
Originally posted by Jesper:
<strong>I'd say Wenger has a lot to learn from us in that respect, you don't see many homegrown players in his team.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's not strictly true. You could argue that your first choice team would only contain G Nev, Beckham, Scholes and Giggs of the homegrowns. Arsenals cup final team had Cole, Parlour and Adams.
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Originally posted by Cantona07:
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You are right. United's home grown talent is arguably the best in the world. The likes of the Nevilles, Scholes, Giggs, becks,Butt, are all world class.</strong><hr></blockquote>You are kidding, aren't you? The Nevilles and Butt are no way world class. International class perhaps but you can't imagine Real breaking the bank to build a team around them. That was a fantastic bunch of youngsters that came through for you but little before and little since. The exception rather than the rule? As it was with the arse when they brought through Adams, Davis, Rocastle, Thomas etc at the same time and won the league a couple of times.
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Maybe part of the problem is looking at what type of player we are looking for. With the midfield last season, did we really need Veron? If we need someone to play " in the hole", getsomeone who does that, not a central midfield player!
 
Originally posted by Cantona07:
<strong>As far as investing in players goes. Vieira, Pires, Henry, Ljunberg, Ex-Petit all these guys were nothing until they played for Arsenal. Look at them today, world stars. As much as I hate to admit it we should acknowledge the fact that Wenger is far more wiser when it comes to investing in players than the SAF himself.

I think Martin Ferguson is not doing a good job. He needs to do better. If he does so, well you know whats next!!! <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Genearlly I agree with your opinion and I also have a topic in the transfer forum saying that we should try to find more bargain buy in this summer. But.... can you use a more pleasant topic than "we should learn from Wenger"? ;)
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