We are missing 4 things

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I reckon MU have lost four things that we used to have that we need back.

1) A creative deep playing striker, ie Cantona, Yorke, Sheringham. Im not a huge fan of the Ole Ruud pairing I think they are too similar to each other and dont click to a huge degree, this doesnt always mean its a problem because they are both deadly finishers, but i think we need another option.

2) The old David Beckham, personal opinion is Becks has been playing crap for the last year at least, he drifts in to the centre too much which isnt his best position, i think we need him giving us more width, getting in some of those glorious crosses from the right. PS how do we call him one of the best free kick takers in the world, he has been rubbish at these for ages as well, when was the last time he even scored one for MU?

3) The old Giggs back! This hasnt been his fault as such but Giggs looks lost as a support striker, again we need him running at players showing us what he is capable, we only see flashes of this now, he started the season off well enough but id like to see him playing a wider left role.

4) This is one of the biggest and least obvious factor, we have lost the fear factor, OT used to a fortress, teams were scared of us, they expected to get beaten and beaten well. Now we have teams like Bolton who are no longer afraid of us, Arsenal think they are gods gift to the premiership and there are other examples. We need teams to fear us again. This extends to we need some of our old confidence back, we need to believe that we can dominate any team.

Well that thats my take on things, any thoughts? :D
 
Beckham scored a peach of a free kick against that team beginning with Z in the CL qualifiers.
 
That was Beckham at his very best, no keeper in the world could have stopped that.
 
imo

1.After the treble we lost Peter the great Dane too quickly. Fab is good but i still don't trust him , he clowns about too much, i remember some of the blinder saves peter made , that inspired the team and was the difference between winning or losing. Fab can be brilliant and Stupid

2. We miss Roy Keane, our captain and leader. No disrespect to Beckham, KEano is just a brilliant captain, he gives the side that extra edge, he keeps the players on there toes and demands that bit extra

3. We need another striker, Cisse would be my choice, then there is always Ronaldhino.

4. Blanc plays well, but he isn't in our future plans, Rio needs to do a better job of Marshalling the back 4 and someone need to scream and scare the shit into the Fab so never fecks up again
 
Originally posted by Red_For_Life:
<strong>We miss Roy Keane, our captain and leader. No disrespect to Beckham, KEano is just a brilliant captain, he gives the side that extra edge, he keeps the players on there toes and demands that bit extra</strong><hr></blockquote>

He has to leave at some time! Who can you envisage replacing him?
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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He has to leave at some time! Who can you envisage replacing him?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I just don't want to think about that, but I'm sure in the 60 & 70s fans were saying the same, and little did they know the riches that lay ahead of them. We will all live through a United era again, probably twice or three times, it's only waiting ahead of us. And we will all see great new talent that takes teams by storm like Giggsy did - it's exciting really when you think about it.
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Hopefully, we wont have to go down a division for a season this time. ;)
 
Originally posted by Red_For_Life:
<strong>imo
2. We miss Roy Keane, our captain and leader. No disrespect to Beckham, KEano is just a brilliant captain, he gives the side that extra edge, he keeps the players on there toes and demands that bit extra
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We haven't lost Keano per say, I mean we have been playing poorly even when Keano is running his socks off.

IMO I think there are definate problems but missing Keano is not one of them. The biggest problem i felt is that we lacked a strike force that wanted to preform on the pitch like they did off it, Yorkie really let himself and us down. This I feel is one of our biggest problems that we still have not recovered from. Fergie felt that we lacked the ability to cut open packed defenses so we pick up Veron. For me, this was not the best move that we could have done. We didn't need a midfielder that could open up defenses, we needed/need a striker / forward that can. We don't have any one that can take anyone on up top. We need a pay making forward like the Titanic need more life boats.

Secondly, I agree that Becks and Giggs need to play out wide. We are most threatening when we play wide, it spreads out the defense and give space to RVN and Ole.

Anyway, just MHO...
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Originally posted by pigface:
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We didn't need a midfielder that could open up defenses, we needed/need a striker / forward that can. We don't have any one that can take anyone on up top.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, I'd like to see us get a player in the Sheringham/Di Canio mode or a pacey striker that can run at a defence and open them up (both would be nice). Until then, I think we're going to struggle against teams that just want to defend. Scholes can't come back soon enough for me because I think he's one of the few players, outside of our strikers, that can realistcally score that first vital goal against defensive
teams.
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the only 1 in united who can dribble and trick enemies is only giggs..
 
Another Cantona would be wonderful but in the meantime, I think if Becks and Giggs could get back to doing what they do best, providing from the flanks, it would minimise the problem of Ruud and Ole being similar because it would create the chances for either of them to score.

If we don't have a player capable of playing the Cantona/Sheri role at the moment, we have to make the best of what we have.
 
1. I also think that OGS and RVN are to similar. What we need imo is a striker who is also good in the air. We don`t score many goals with the head (Teddy and Yorke always did) RVN is tall but he is much better with his feet than with his head.

2. Becks played last season only in around 70% of the games, but he scored around 15 goals and had several assists. If that is crap ( :rolleyes: ) , I don`t find even words for the contribution of some other players.
He scored after a great freekick a couple of weeks ago ( Do you follow United games regulary ?) What player in PL scored more after freekicks in the last 3 years ? I agree that he should mostly play on the right and put crosses in. But the reason for drifting inside is to get more influence. If he should stay on the right we must control the midfield and give the ball to him. Wondeful example is last game. He was playing on the right the whole game, but in the second half as we lost the midfield battle he hardly touched the ball. On the flank you are more depending from your team mates.

3. I agree Giggs is at his best on the left and not as a supporting striker.

4. After a couple of more wins, teams will again have fear.
 
Veron has the capabilty to play in a Cantona Role. I feel Veron is starting to get his game together and when he starts to play like he did with Lazio + Argentina that position should be covered.

I think the team is starting to get back on track. Rio is getting better, O'Shea is starring at the back, Even Pee Neville looks good in midfield.

All we now is Forlan to bag a hat trick and for Utd to win against either Arsenal or Liverpool away to stamp our authority.
 
Obviously we lack variable in attack. If we got at least two more attackers who can provide something different for us, Becks and Giggs can return to their familar position and the fear factor will be back. The two attackers I hope we can get are: One who is fast and has great dribbling skill to beat opponents, the other similar to Cantona or Sheri who can do the link up job and perform some creative, unpredictive move.
 
Originally posted by Jason F:
<strong>I reckon MU have lost four things that we used to have that we need back.
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My opinion is that too many are making comparisons between the current team and the ManUtd of several seasons back. This team, while the same in terms of personnel, are no longer of the same ability.

Giggsy, for example, doesn't zip past defenders as fast as he used to. How we miss that run down the wing and supplying that telling cross to the middle for Sparky to belt home.

Becks is trying to add to his repertoire by moving to the middle of midfield, and sometimes it seems that his crossing ability has suffered because of it. His monopoly of taking freekicks has also meant that each attempt is closely scrutinised - each miss leads to questions about his ability. No longer the golden Brylcreem boy, questions about how he came up with his children's names now make more headlines than his performance on the pitch.

An try as SAF might, there has been no replacement for the rocks of defence, namely Schmeichel, Bruce and Pallister.

And how we miss Eric Cantona, the catalyst of ManUtd's success in the 90's.

All of which means that there cannot be a true comparison between today's team and the teams of the past.

What I feel is needed is a total revamp of the playing style, and I think that is what SAF is trying to do, i.e. the 4-5-1 and 4-4-1-1 formations.

If the team were to revert to the past successful way of playing, it would still NOT succeed because the players aren't the same anymore. A new style has to be found to suit the team's current abilities. Or if the past formula is to be retained, then the players cannot be, as they can no longer perform at that level. Others would have to be brought in, to be the Giggs, Beckhams, Schmeichels and Cantonas of the early and mid 1990's. They'd have different names, but would perform as those players did during that time.
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Originally posted by bazalini:
<strong>Veron has the capabilty to play in a Cantona Role. I feel Veron is starting to get his game together and when he starts to play like he did with Lazio + Argentina that position should be covered.

I think the team is starting to get back on track. Rio is getting better, O'Shea is starring at the back, Even Pee Neville looks good in midfield.

All we now is Forlan to bag a hat trick and for Utd to win against either Arsenal or Liverpool away to stamp our authority.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Most miserable poster, eh? Good to hear this stuff from you! :)

I still feel its too early to say, but things are definitely looking up for United. Come on you Reds!
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We are missing four things......

1. One Premiership Trophy (silver)
2. One FA Cup (silver)
3. One Champions League Trophy (silver)
4. One Roy Keane (red)
 
Just to clear up a few things!

Becks 75 - yeah mate i watch every Man Utd game, even if it involves me getting up at stupid hours of the morning to do so!

About Becks free-kicks, i ment when did he last score one in the premiership? I know he scored one against Ziggyzalaegg or whatever. I agree he is prob under more pressure to scoer them now but the fact is he doesnt! Evrytime he hits one i fully expect it to end up in the stand! I know last season was his best in terms of goals but in terms of overall contributions to games he has tended to go dissapearing, and my main problem with him was his lack of wide play.

Roxyfella- M(an) U(td)

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You're missing 4 things:

(1) Stop complaining, when things are going great.
(2) Stop criticising our players.
(3) Stop criticising SAF.
(4) Stop saying that we're missing something.
 
Originally posted by dmode:
<strong>You're missing 4 things:

(1) Stop complaining, when things are going great.
(2) Stop criticising our players.
(3) Stop criticising SAF.
(4) Stop saying that we're missing something.</strong><hr></blockquote>

1) Firstly if things are going great why did lose to Bolton and Leeds??? Why arent we Premierleague champions?? why are we playing nowhere near the standard we are capable of??

2) This wasnt critcizing any players, i only ment again they arent playing in the role that they are best suited to which is making them look average.

3) When exactly did i criticize SAF? did you even read the post?

4) We are missing more than 4 things, apart from what i mentioned we are missing an array of silverware form our trophy cabinet or did you forget that?
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Originally posted by Jason F:
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4) We are missing more than 4 things, apart from what i mentioned we are missing an array of silverware form our trophy cabinet or did you forget that?</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Originally posted by Jason F:
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1) Firstly if things are going great why did lose to Bolton and Leeds??? Why arent we Premierleague champions?? why are we playing nowhere near the standard we are capable of??

2) This wasnt critcizing any players, i only ment again they arent playing in the role that they are best suited to which is making them look average.

3) When exactly did i criticize SAF? did you even read the post?

4) We are missing more than 4 things, apart from what i mentioned we are missing an array of silverware form our trophy cabinet or did you forget that?</strong><hr></blockquote>

(1) This is called football, and this is how we won the champions league...
(2) Thinking about becoming the new coach?
(3) YES (refer to (2))
(4) Patience is a virtue son. ;)

A team takes time (at most one season) to get in place... and it seems that we're gettin' in place...
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Originally posted by dmode:
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(1) This is called football, and this is how we won the champions league...

(2) Thinking about becoming the new coach?

(3) YES (refer to (2))

(4) Patience is a virtue son. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

1) Well we arent playing well in general, as for the Champs league, well you may be right there!

:D

2) Well I wouldnt say no to becoming the new coach if i was sounded out ;)

3) no comment

4) ......rarely found in women, often found in man! ;)
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There is something that people forget, it's that the level of the other teams is much better than it used to be. Arsenal has probably the strongest team they ever had, and there much more foreign players than before in the Premierleague.
 
Originally posted by Red_For_Life:
<strong>imo

1.After the treble we lost Peter the great Dane too quickly. Fab is good but i still don't trust him , he clowns about too much, i remember some of the blinder saves peter made , that inspired the team and was the difference between winning or losing. Fab can be brilliant and Stupid

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Oh come on we did concede goals at the time (look at the champion's league) but overall we scored more goals. Fab has also been on the winning side in the past.
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I biggest single think we are missing is a decent attacking aerial presence, (e.g. Yorke, Cole, Sheringham, Cantona, Hughes).

How ofter do United score headed goals? Rarely, even with two wingers, one of which is one of the best crossers of the ball in the business.
 
The person I think would fit the bill for a replacement to Roy would be..........now don't all shout at me at once I do not like the guy and he plays for a 'shit' team right now but...........Lee Bowyer would be my choice........he plays like a little terrier!!!!
Not afraid to get stuck in............we need to treat em mean to keep em 'Keane' pardon the pun! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
 
Originally posted by Waz:
<strong>Beckham will come in to his own now Gary Neville is back.</strong><hr></blockquote>

What is it with those 2?
Whatever it is I hope it works! :p :p :p :p
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We aren't playing with the flair and drive that we used to. I think it will come, in the last two years there has been a lot of unrest and rearrangements in the team. This has made it difficult for the players to find there top form. Maybe a couple of player would help but do we really want more new faces coming in.
I think 1999 was a major turning point for the team. Sir Alex had spent years building a team to win the Champions League. Once that happened it was always going to be difficult for the team to stay at that level. Ok we won the league in 2000 & 2001 but we hit a wall in Europe again.
Sir Alex has always said that Europe was his top prioity and maybe he has taken the league a little for granted. Our European performances have been so much better than our Premier league performances.
The players we have at the club are more than capable of returning the Premiership to its rightful home.
All the team needs is to play with confidence and everything else will drop into place.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>Hopefully, we wont have to go down a division for a season this time. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

It was rather good fun actually. Taking the piss out of teams a division above us with half the supporters, and winning just about every match. Much better than the previous few seasons.
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Originally posted by Elfie:
<strong>Arsenal has probably the strongest team they ever had.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Slight exaggeration. If and when the current lot win three championships in a row, then maybe they can start being compared with the strongest team they ever had.
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Originally posted by Waz:
<strong>Beckham will come in to his own now Gary Neville is back.</strong><hr></blockquote>

But does Gaz Nev really deserve his place back just yet? I mean O'Shea is playing awesome and Phil Nev is playing great too!
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Originally posted by Waz:
<strong>Beckham will come in to his own now Gary Neville is back.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Really? Gary Neville is not the answer to United problem of underutilizing the righ flank. If you happened to watch Bayern play Milan yesterday, you'll see Hasan Salihamidzic patroling the righ flank. That's what we need. See how he pushed the ball past the defender and blow past him to set up Bayern's goal. As I understand it, this guy can play RB as well RWB. As for Milan, they are impressing the hell out of me ATM.
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Originally posted by Jason F:
<strong>I reckon MU have lost four things that we used to have that we need back.

1) A creative deep playing striker, ie Cantona, Yorke, Sheringham. Im not a huge fan of the Ole Ruud pairing I think they are too similar to each other and dont click to a huge degree, this doesnt always mean its a problem because they are both deadly finishers, but i think we need another option.

2) The old David Beckham, personal opinion is Becks has been playing crap for the last year at least, he drifts in to the centre too much which isnt his best position, i think we need him giving us more width, getting in some of those glorious crosses from the right. PS how do we call him one of the best free kick takers in the world, he has been rubbish at these for ages as well, when was the last time he even scored one for MU?

3) The old Giggs back! This hasnt been his fault as such but Giggs looks lost as a support striker, again we need him running at players showing us what he is capable, we only see flashes of this now, he started the season off well enough but id like to see him playing a wider left role.

4) This is one of the biggest and least obvious factor, we have lost the fear factor, OT used to a fortress, teams were scared of us, they expected to get beaten and beaten well. Now we have teams like Bolton who are no longer afraid of us, Arsenal think they are gods gift to the premiership and there are other examples. We need teams to fear us again. This extends to we need some of our old confidence back, we need to believe that we can dominate any team.

Well that thats my take on things, any thoughts? :D </strong><hr></blockquote>


Actually,you're missing 6 things.....they're called points
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