Victor Gyökeres

Living in Sweden I have watched the last few national team matches and this guy is definitely the real deal. Makes non-stop runs, makes use of his strength and does not get bullied off the ball. He is quick, can score with both feet and a decent header of the ball. He sets up his teammates as well. He and Isak work really well together.
I would love Isak as well, but I think we need this guy even more because he is a great scorer and not just a scorer of great goals.
 
I'd be all for splashing out on this guy, but only if we can invest in a wing-back / Amorim considers Amass ready to step up (feels too early to me, but what do I know).

I think ST & Left Wing Back are our biggest issues in Amorims 343.
 
About Gyokeres... He scored 9 goals and assisted 6 times for Sweden in Uefa Nations League. For example his teammate Isak(who in my opinion is top striker) scores 4 goals and assist 1 time.
 
Macedonian Red said:
About Gyokeres... He scored 9 goals and assisted 6 times for Sweden in Uefa Nations League. For example his teammate Isak(who in my opinion is top striker) scores 4 goals and assist 1 time.
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Thank you for your service against Turkey
 
Remember the geese said:
What about the goals he's scored in the Champions League and internationally?
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Against, checks notes, Azerbaijan, Estonia, Slovakia, Lille and Sturm Graz. Of course the Man City game was great, if inflated a bit with two penalties.

Raoul said:
Consider the logic of what you’re saying. None of CR7, Nani, or Bruno would’ve been good transfers because they came from a league whose quality you deem unacceptable. By that logic, none of Lewandowski, Falcao, Vidic, Kvaratskhelia at Napoli, Di Maria, and countless other players would’ve been unacceptable to you because you didn’t approve of the respective smaller leagues they were bought from; but apparently the likes of Hojlund and Zirkzee were acceptable because you consider Serie-A a better league.

That makes no sense at all. You analyze the player based on his specific skills relative to the style a manager wants to play, and if it’s a match you buy them.
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Come on man. Thats not what I’ve said at all, you’ve literally just invented that in your head. Lewandowski went from Poland to Dortmund for £4 million at age 22. CR7 for £12 million at 18. Nani for £20 million at 21. Falcao is a better example, although cost about £35 million. Vidic was £12 million. I’ll stop now.

Nowhere in my posts have I said don’t buy from weaker leagues, generally the Portuguese league has been good for bringing young talent to the league. I’m saying, be cautious in spending £70 million on a 26 year old, who’s failed at this level before, scores goals for fun against shit teams and might be on a purple patch.

I’m just saying it’s very risky. Luckily we have another half a season to see how he gets on without Amorim, because we definitely can’t afford to buy another striker who isn’t good enough.

Berbaclass said:
Use your eyes and look at how he scores the goals and what his game is all about. His play style would translate well into the PL.
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It didn’t last time. It translated well to the Championship. Although, there’s quite a few players who ended up on more or similar goals in that league over the last few years.
 
Dan_F said:
Against, checks notes, Azerbaijan, Estonia, Slovakia, Lille and Sturm Graz. Of course the Man City game was great, if inflated a bit with two penalties.
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For me it’s the way he plays that makes me think he would suit the PL well. Forget about the hat trick against City and look at the way he played against them. He has all I want in a striker right now plus the connection with our new coach and could be kind of a facilitator of his style of football, but of course you can never be guaranteed success no matter what player you sign.
 
Dan_F said:
Against, checks notes, Azerbaijan, Estonia, Slovakia, Lille and Sturm Graz. Of course the Man City game was great, if inflated a bit with two penalties.
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10 goals in 7 international matches in 2024. 5 goals in 4 Champions League games. 16 in 11 league games. Not to be sniffed at.
 
I agree with concerns of this being a purple patch and the signing being risky at the figures mentioned in the news.

Wasn’t there a guy in Italy who was scoring for fun a few years ago, ended up signing for Milan for huge money and then flopped?
 
Grand Vizier said:
1) Obviously every owner and manager would rather buy a cheap, young, potentially generational talent than a £60m player in his mid-twenties. But these players don't grow on trees. They are extremely rare, and when they do, they are bought for big money (see Vinicius, Rodrygo, Joao Neves, Joao Felix etc). Gone are the days where you had all the time in the world to think about signing young players. You have top clubs drooling at 17 year olds and even lesser clubs like Brighton, Salzburg and Leipzig who offer an excellent development path for these players. The idea that we should wait to sign the next Mbappé as if it is a realistic opportunity coming anytime soon is simply ridiculous.

2) He has scored in the Champions League and a hattrick against City. You think he'd have issues scoring against Southampton or Ipswich?

3) He is levels above because he is better than most of them. I'm not sure what your argument is here, unless you think Liam Delap or Evanilson are better. And why is his risk factor huge? He is scoring for fun internationally, in the league and in the Champions League while also offering excellent hold-up play and link-up ability. We'd be incredibly stupid not to buy him provided Højlund doesn't improve significantly and if he is available for £65m.

4) When they went to their respective clubs was not my point. You claimed players don't improve after 26 (or 27?), and I followed up by showing you several examples of strikers who did. Whether they scored in a top league when they were younger is completely irrelevant. Zirkzee has also scored in the Premier League, it does not mean he is better or has higher potential. Players don't follow a linear development, and just because Gyokeres played for Coventry a short time ago does not mean he isn't going to continue developing. He adapted brilliantly under Amorim and improved significantly, so why do you think it is such a massive risk to sign him? You mentioned a calculated risk. I think signing one of the most sought after strikers in the world who has scored the most goals this season out of any striker would be the definition of that.
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It's not about what you or I would do, or whether Gyokeres is a good player.

The point of the debate is why modern, well-run football clubs don't pay £65/70m for 27 year olds, generally speaking.

Also, I guarantee most people in this forum had never heard of Gyokeres or seen him play 12-months ago. We're going crazy for him now because he's ran hot for a bit and he was managed by Amorim.

Again, neither are great reasons to spend huge on an "older" player. If all that matters is quantity of goals, let's sign Martin Cauteruccio, Garban Coughlan or Lei Wu instead.
 
Lentwood said:
It's not about what you or I would do, or whether Gyokeres is a good player.

The point of the debate is why modern, well-run football clubs don't pay £65/70m for 27 year olds, generally speaking.

Also, I guarantee most people in this forum had never heard of Gyokeres or seen him play 12-months ago. We're going crazy for him now because he's ran hot for a bit and he was managed by Amorim.

Again, neither are great reasons to spend huge on an "older" player. If all that matters is quantity of goals, let's sign Martin Cauteruccio, Garban Coughlan or Lei Wu instead.
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This. If gyokores was the missing link to success then I'd say let's go for him. We all know he's not
 
Berbaclass said:
No one player guarantees success. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t get him.
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If we were 1 signing away from success then we should get him. We did that with RVP after all. Unfortunately we are 4 years away to that and by that time he would be part of a group of players (alongside the likes of Rashy and Bruno) that we will have to think for replacement. That's assuming he can emulate what he did in Portuguese league in the EPL something Darwin Nunez couldn't

Let's be smarter with money. I'd say let's sell zirkzee now when his stock is still high, let's get muani on loan, let's bring a lb and let's launch a serious scouting search on the next gyokores
 
Lentwood said:
It's not about what you or I would do, or whether Gyokeres is a good player.

The point of the debate is why modern, well-run football clubs don't pay £65/70m for 27 year olds, generally speaking.

Also, I guarantee most people in this forum had never heard of Gyokeres or seen him play 12-months ago. We're going crazy for him now because he's ran hot for a bit and he was managed by Amorim.

Again, neither are great reasons to spend huge on an "older" player. If all that matters is quantity of goals, let's sign Martin Cauteruccio, Garban Coughlan or Lei Wu instead.
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Okay, but sometimes they do. Bayern paid closer to €150m for two 29 year olds last summer, because they needed upgrades. We need a new striker that can upgrade us. Gyokeres is currently one of the best strikers available and he offers much more than just goals. If he is available for that price, then it would be odd not to go for him. 27 isn't old, and refusing to sign better players because they won't necessarily have a great resale value is a bad idea from most point of views other than financially.

Your second point isn't very relevant. Most people hadn't heard of Mahrez or Kanté before they played for Leicester. Players don't develop in a similar path, and the only thing that is important is how good they currently are. Gyokeres has rapidly developed in his mid twenties like a bunch of other strikers has done before him, and may even continue to develop. If he doesn't, that's okay, because his current level is very good.
 
devilish said:
This. If gyokores was the missing link to success then I'd say let's go for him. We all know he's not
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Why does it matter if he's the final piece of the jigsaw or not? Maybe Liverpool shouldn't have signed Mane because they still needed Alisson, Robertson, Van Dijk, Fabinho and Salah.
 
devilish said:
This. If gyokores was the missing link to success then I'd say let's go for him. We all know he's not
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Thing is you never know, we have a solid enough team that with a real goalscorer and a manager not in self sabotage mode we could really be up there. Some of the matches we lose is because we are not decisive enough with the chances we get early on, goals change trends in matches so you will never really know our true potential with one in the side.
 
Remember the geese said:
Why does it matter if he's the final piece of the jigsaw or not? Maybe Liverpool shouldn't have signed Mane because they still needed Alisson, Robertson, Van Dijk, Fabinho and Salah.
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This is true, there is no way he will be our sole signing if we do sign him and maybe the other signings that come with him will also help to make us a complete team.
 
Dan_F said:
They were all playing and scoring in Serie A before they were 25. Especially in the early 2000s, the standard of the Portuguese league is incomparable. I’d also have been really disappointed if United signed any of those players mentioned at the time.

I’m not saying it’s not possible, but it’s just a huge risk for the kind of outlay we’re talking about. None of those players you’ve mentioned transferred for significant money in their careers, let alone before they had proven they could do it in a top league.
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I disagree that they were putting in great seasons though until the latter end of their career which is what we are talking about. Also, fair if you want to call out the level of opposition but Gyokeres isn't having a standard season of goalscoring against the opposition. He isn't even having a great season of goalscoring against it. He's putting up Messi and Ronaldo like numbers this season.
 
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Remember the geese said:
Why does it matter if he's the final piece of the jigsaw or not? Maybe Liverpool shouldn't have signed Mane because they still needed Alisson, Robertson, Van Dijk, Fabinho and Salah.
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Mane was 24 years old and was bought for 34m. He was fresh from a stellar season in the EPL having scored 15 goals in all competitions including 2 goals against Liverpool and a hat trick against City. That's the sort of deals we should be making
 
AneRu said:
Thing is you never know, we have a solid enough team that with a real goalscorer and a manager not in self sabotage mode we could really be up there. Some of the matches we lose is because we are not decisive enough with the chances we get early on, goals change trends in matches so you will never really know our true potential with one in the side.
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Do we?

We have no LB. The new system will require at least another CB (Lindelof, Evans and Maguire are set to leave), we need to replace Eriksen and our wingers can't produce assists/goals. That's on top of a new striker. I don't think a striker can sort that on his own.
 
devilish said:
Mane was 24 years old and was bought for 34m. He was fresh from a stellar season in the EPL having scored 15 goals in all competitions including 2 goals against Liverpool and a hat trick against City. That's the sort of deals we should be making
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Is 15 goals really a stellar season?
 
devilish said:
Do we?

We have no LB. The new system will require at least another CB (Lindelof, Evans and Maguire are set to leave), we need to replace Eriksen and our wingers can't produce assists/goals. That's on top of a new striker. I don't think a striker can sort that on his own.
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LB - We have Malacia and Amass coming through. Shaw will play more at LCB but could do a job there. Dalot and Mazraoui have both played on the left and we have first option to rebuy Carreras at a reasonable price. We also have a number of wide players who could be used at LWB in the way Amorim has used attacking options there at Sporting.

CB - There has been nothing mentioned anywhere from the club or those players to suggest either Lindelof or Maguire are set to leave.

CM - Eriksen will likely leave, but we have Ugarte, Casemiro, Mainoo, Bruno, Mount and Amad competing for 3 positions and plenty of youngsters in behind.

Our wide attackers will be used in very different roles by Amorim and will have actual attacking instruction and direction. We should wait and see how many goals and assists they can produce in this new system.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
I agree with concerns of this being a purple patch and the signing being risky at the figures mentioned in the news.

Wasn’t there a guy in Italy who was scoring for fun a few years ago, ended up signing for Milan for huge money and then flopped?
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There are a few things here. His last 18 months at Coventry were good, I watched him a bit in the run up to the playoffs and he was quite obviously prem ready, I was thinking more mid table though.

Last season at Sporting he was amazing 43 goals in 50 games, this season he has been amazing too so far. I think it is a purple patch because his numbers are insane, however he is quite obviously a really good player and IMO can play in the PL.

Even if you get 60/70% of his production in the PL that's miles better than Hojlund and gives Hojlund time to be a number 2 striker and develop.

For me one of Gyokeres/Isak/Osimhen is a no brainer for United who have struggled to score goals for the past 3 years. Out of the 3 I'm leaning towards Gyokeres, especially if the rumours about his availability at 60/70m euros are true, Osimhen would be awesome too both would be better value deals than Isak who is going to cost around 100m

We need to sign a striker in their prime age, we already have a rough diamond in Hojlund
 
diarm said:
LB - We have Malacia and Amass coming through. Shaw will play more at LCB but could do a job there. Dalot and Mazraoui have both played on the left and we have first option to rebuy Carreras at a reasonable price. We also have a number of wide players who could be used at LWB in the way Amorim has used attacking options there at Sporting.

CB - There has been nothing mentioned anywhere from the club or those players to suggest either Lindelof or Maguire are set to leave.

CM - Eriksen will likely leave, but we have Ugarte, Casemiro, Mainoo, Bruno, Mount and Amad competing for 3 positions and plenty of youngsters in behind.

Our wide attackers will be used in very different roles by Amorim and will have actual attacking instruction and direction. We should wait and see how many goals and assists they can produce in this new system.
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Also worth mentioning that it's quite possible he wants to play a winger at LWB so it would negate the point about not having proper LB's.
 
devilish said:
Mane was 24 years old and was bought for 34m. He was fresh from a stellar season in the EPL having scored 15 goals in all competitions including 2 goals against Liverpool and a hat trick against City. That's the sort of deals we should be making
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And we can. That's not to say that we should be arrogant enough to be turning down top goalscorers in their prime.
 
Godfather said:
Sign him and somehow make Sporting accept Zirkzee as part of the deal
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Is this a record time for a player to fall under deadwood category from their signing amongst United fans? I think it could be.
 
devilish said:
Do we?

We have no LB. The new system will require at least another CB (Lindelof, Evans and Maguire are set to leave), we need to replace Eriksen and our wingers can't produce assists/goals. That's on top of a new striker. I don't think a striker can sort that on his own.
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Which is exactly why I said if he is going to be signed he won't be our single signing. Thisone would be a summer signing, nowhere we make such an expensive purchase in the winter and he won't be coming alone. Maybe the other two or three signings will address those issues and we don't know how many players Amorim's work on the ground will recover and be a solution to a troublesome position.
 
Berbaclass said:
Also worth mentioning that it's quite possible he wants to play a winger at LWB so it would negate the point about not having proper LB's.
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I am aware that Amorim had used all sort of players as wingbacks (FBs, inverted FBs, wingers, inverted WBs). However I can't see that happening with us

A- The role in its nature is very demanding. A WB in Amorim system will need to be able to defend, attack, cross and dribble past opponents so he can cut inside. That's already taxing in the Portuguese league but it becomes extremely difficult in the EPL. Hence I can see FBs being more appropriate for the role then a winger is

B- I can't see any of our wingers (bar maybe Antony) who has the skillset to cover that role. Rashy is lazy and Garnacho won't cover that amount of pitch either.

Irrespective of that we'll need players to cover the role cause if Garnacho/Rashford moves there then someone else must play in the no 10 role.
 
diarm said:
LB - We have Malacia and Amass coming through. Shaw will play more at LCB but could do a job there. Dalot and Mazraoui have both played on the left and we have first option to rebuy Carreras at a reasonable price. We also have a number of wide players who could be used at LWB in the way Amorim has used attacking options there at Sporting.

CB - There has been nothing mentioned anywhere from the club or those players to suggest either Lindelof or Maguire are set to leave.

CM - Eriksen will likely leave, but we have Ugarte, Casemiro, Mainoo, Bruno, Mount and Amad competing for 3 positions and plenty of youngsters in behind.

Our wide attackers will be used in very different roles by Amorim and will have actual attacking instruction and direction. We should wait and see how many goals and assists they can produce in this new system.
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LB- Amass is still young and that a hell of a position to play in the EPL. Malacia had been out for a season and a half (and tbh he wasn't that great before either) and the least said about Shaw the better.

CB- You genuinely believe we're going to renew Lindelof's and Maguire's contract? Cause they are costing us over 16m a year in salary (combined), they are becoming more and more injury prone and their contract is set to run out in 2025.

CM- Casemiro (whose in decline), Mainoo and Ugarte will form the base but we still need to bring in someone else to act as cover. Bruno will be our no 10, Mount had played 26 games in 2 seasons while no one knows if Amad can play as a AMC

FFP is real mate and while there are ways to contain the expenses (ex bringing Alvaro Fernandes back and buying bargains such as Nypan), I can't see us spending 100m on one signing. Maybe I am wrong.
 
AneRu said:
Which is exactly why I said if he is going to be signed he won't be our single signing. Thisone would be a summer signing, nowhere we make such an expensive purchase in the winter and he won't be coming alone. Maybe the other two or three signings will address those issues and we don't know how many players Amorim's work on the ground will recover and be a solution to a troublesome position.
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No one knows the future of course. However I can't see us spending 70m-100m on a striker when

a- we've already got Hojlund in the team.
b- we need a LWB, a CM, a CB, and possibly a no 10/winger
c- the issue upfront is, in my opinion, our lack of assists.

Things would change though if we were able to somehow get rid of Rashford for a good price
 
We have a major problem with scoring goals and we are one of the worst teams in doing that.
Sure, with Amorim coming in we are probably going to score a bit more but that's still not good enough because we don't have good enough options right now.

Maybe Højlund develops this season to be a great goalscorer, maybe it will take a few seasons or maybe he ends up in the Rashford route of great potential wasted. We don't know.
What we know is that we need an option that can score goals right now.

Gyokeres potentially solves that problem while giving time and a role model for Højlund to develop. It's a no brainer really

Edit: I wouldn't even be against loaning Højlund to Sporting next season for a price chop in the Gyokeres deal. Sporting obviously is one of the best teams in the world in terms of getting the potential out of players and developing them to their potential
 
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evil_geko said:
What's with constant mention of his age, is 27 the new 30? :lol:
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It is a bit ridiculous :lol:

For the record, I am not someone who believes in the whole "Players can be at their peak much later these days" thing and still believe 31-32 they will start to decline, however to make age an issue for a player turning 27 is ridiculous.

If we can get 3 proper years out of him that is well worth the investment. Not every player needs to be here for a decade. The team needs goals now. If Wilcox and friends think he brings goals now, then we should get him in.
 
It’s funny to imagine how the badly the same people dismissing our attackers, would’ve wet the bed if we had signed Gyokeres from Coventry before Amorim got his hands on him.

We have £100m+ worth of young centre forward worth giving him 6 months to work with before dismissing. We also have one of the top young attackers on the Golden Boy shortlist in Garnacho, as well as another massively talented attacker in Amad and Rashford who was seen a huge global talent before Ten Hag came in.

I don’t see us doing a huge amount of business in January so how about we wait and see how the 6 months between now and May go, before making up our minds that everything and everyone is shit.
 
diarm said:
It’s funny to imagine how the badly the same people dismissing our attackers, would’ve wet the bed if we had signed Gyokeres from Coventry before Amorim got his hands on him.

We have £100m+ worth of young centre forward worth giving him 6 months to work with before dismissing. We also have one of the top young attackers on the Golden Boy shortlist in Garnacho, as well as another massively talented attacker in Amad and Rashford who was seen a huge global talent before Ten Hag came in.

I don’t see us doing a huge amount of business in January so how about we wait and see how the 6 months between now and May go, before making up our minds that everything and everyone is shit.
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:lol: come one man, we are blaming Rashford decline on Ten Hag now? He was on the verge of being castrated by the fans before Ten Hag gave him a brief revival.

Agree on the rest but its clear we need a more senior and established number 9 and even Ten Hag said so, the numbers don't lie and our goal scoring has been anemic or a few years now, including Oles finals season
 
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