Victor Gyökeres

I'm curious as to what aspects of his play some see lacking? There's always just generic statements saying he's not good enough but what exactly isn't he good enough at?

His finishing will absolutely translate to the premier league. His movement is top notch, he isn't slow or weak. His hold up is superb and his passing is more than adequate.

I'm obviously missing some obvious flaw in his game.

Maybe we are both missing it. He is pretty much my number one wish for the striker position.
 
Would make us into a semi-decent team. Still would need another 5 players or so. LWB, Midfielder, Inverted winger who can play 10, and a CB. And probably another midfielder/10 and a striker. We need depth as much as we do quality.
 
We are a desperate for somebody like him. If we could sell Zirkzee and Rashford and use the funds towards a proper striker it would make a world of difference.

Really not enjoying the idea of selling Garnacho though. One of the very few bright sparks we have at the club.
 
We are a desperate for somebody like him. If we could sell Zirkzee and Rashford and use the funds towards a proper striker it would make a world of difference.

Really not enjoying the idea of selling Garnacho though. One of the very few bright sparks we have at the club.

Didn't Ruben say no Sporting raid in January, doesn't strike me as someone to go back on word
 
If we sell Garnacho we need this lad desperately.

Exactly this. I hate the idea of selling Garnacho but if the money changers say it's necessary then so be it.

We desperately need a keeper but that's not in the cards, but there is no escaping the reality that we need a striker who actually scores goals.

Get this done!
 
Sporting is still clinging to the first Spot and if they manage to pull through it would guarantee them the extra cash that comes with direct cl qualification.

They won't sell unless we're willing to offset the potential risk and it would amount to a hefty bit of cash.
 
Really hope this is our ST signing in the summer. Guys lethal and powerful
 
I'm curious as to what aspects of his play some see lacking? There's always just generic statements saying he's not good enough but what exactly isn't he good enough at?

His finishing will absolutely translate to the premier league. His movement is top notch, he isn't slow or weak. His hold up is superb and his passing is more than adequate.

I'm obviously missing some obvious flaw in his game.

Yeah I can't see what he's supposed to be bad at that will translate to him 'being found out at a higher level' as well
 
Yeah I can't see what he's supposed to be bad at that will translate to him 'being found out at a higher level' as well
Any player from another league could be found out to not fit the PL but Gyökeres at least have the way of playing that should work in the PL. Any player could also be found out to not fit the Amorim system as it is quite different to how most teams play. Gyökeres has proven he knows how to play that system plus may function as a catalyst for the others in the learning process.
 
Any player from another league could be found out to not fit the PL but Gyökeres at least have the way of playing that should work in the PL. Any player could also be found out to not fit the Amorim system as it is quite different to how most teams play. Gyökeres has proven he knows how to play that system plus may function as a catalyst for the others in the learning process.

It reads a lot like that old "Can Messi do it on a cold Tuesday night against Stoke" thing we used to see. Like yes, in theory any player can fail at any new team or league, but if you watch the player play, you should be able to identify why you think they would work or not work. Gyokeres has all the attributes you would think one needs to succeed as a striker in the PL, so again it goes back to asking the question of where do people think he is deficient?
 
I think some club will make a late bid this month. Testing the waters so to speak.

I can't shake off this feeling he'll sign for Arsenal.
 
I never said Gyokeres isn't better, I said IT WON'T make much difference. He can't create chances for himself....
Yep, he isn’t a magic bullet just cos he played for Amorim previously. I’m not sure any single player is. It’s the make up and balance of the squad that is the problem, not the qualities of individuals.
 
Not confident we can sign him either. Should be a few better positioned clubs wanting to sign him and doubt the Amorim draw is that much.

Maybe if we really turn things around and Amorim is looking very strong to stay on in the summer
 
I don’t see Sporting selling now unless someone activates the release clause.

He will be gone next summer for sure.
 
Didn't Ruben say no Sporting raid in January, doesn't strike me as someone to go back on word

He did. Hoping we get the deals lined up for summer though.

In reality, we should be looking to move on Zirkzee, Rashford & Anthony now with both Oshimen and Gykokeres coming in when possible
 
He did. Hoping we get the deals lined up for summer though.

In reality, we should be looking to move on Zirkzee, Rashford & Anthony now with both Oshimen and Gykokeres coming in when possible
I'd move on Hojlund over Zirkzee at the moment unless Rasmus ups his game.
 
He did. Hoping we get the deals lined up for summer though.

In reality, we should be looking to move on Zirkzee, Rashford & Anthony now with both Oshimen and Gykokeres coming in when possible
To be honest, Zirkzee has proven more useful off the bench for us.

Think at this point in time, Hojlund would need to make way for an actual goalscoring striker.

The difference between Hojlund and Zirkzee is when the game opens up late into it, Zirkzee seems to be more relaxed and has more influence. Hojlund just is on the ground whens on.
 
I'm curious as to what aspects of his play some see lacking? There's always just generic statements saying he's not good enough but what exactly isn't he good enough at?

His finishing will absolutely translate to the premier league. His movement is top notch, he isn't slow or weak. His hold up is superb and his passing is more than adequate.

I'm obviously missing some obvious flaw in his game.
He has one glaring flaw in his game: he's really bad at finishing with his head, despite being 1.89m.

Otherwise he's a beast. Physically he is very strong, very athletic, mobile and fast. He has a very good engine too.
He can create his own chances (which is not very common) and just about wreak havoc in the opposition defense for the whole 90mins.
Granted this is in Portugal, where teams are nowhere near the level of physicality of the EPL, but still.

On the other hand, he excels when the pitch is wide open and against opponents who play an high line of defense, which is what most of EPL teams do (unlike what most portuguese teams do - "park the bus").
 
He did. Hoping we get the deals lined up for summer though.

In reality, we should be looking to move on Zirkzee, Rashford & Anthony now with both Oshimen and Gykokeres coming in when possible

Yeah I wish we had the funds to sign both, sadly the debt and overpayment of wages & transfer fees ended any hope of that pipe dream.
 
It reads a lot like that old "Can Messi do it on a cold Tuesday night against Stoke" thing we used to see. Like yes, in theory any player can fail at any new team or league, but if you watch the player play, you should be able to identify why you think they would work or not work. Gyokeres has all the attributes you would think one needs to succeed as a striker in the PL, so again it goes back to asking the question of where do people think he is deficient?
Yes this is exactly my thinking as well. Any player could fail, but looking at the attributes needed for the PL they are right there.

As @P4rthen0n mentioned above, one flaw is he is not particularly good at scoring headed goals. I looked at his stats and of reported types of goals, only 4 were headers last season which is the same as Haaland who is another big CF not scoring much with his head. However Gyökeres is fairly good in the air in general, just not scoring many headed goals.
 
I'm curious as to what aspects of his play some see lacking? There's always just generic statements saying he's not good enough but what exactly isn't he good enough at?

His finishing will absolutely translate to the premier league. His movement is top notch, he isn't slow or weak. His hold up is superb and his passing is more than adequate.

I'm obviously missing some obvious flaw in his game.

I suppose the question is if he's a complete CF with no flaws why at 23/24 was he at Coventry, in the Championship, with an average goalscoring rate.

I don’t know, barely watched him. But I think that's a legit concern.
 
I suppose the question is if he's a complete CF with no flaws why at 23/24 was he at Coventry, in the Championship, with an average goalscoring rate.

I don’t know, barely watched him. But I think that's a legit concern.

It was 22/23 he was at Coventry and he had 21 goals and 12 assists so definitely not a massive concern. Also he would have been what, 23 or 24?

It's far less relevant than actually assessing the qualities of the player as he stands today. Isak had a very underwhelming season before Newcastle signed him but they looked at his qualities.
 
It was 22/23 he was at Coventry and he had 21 goals and 12 assists so definitely not a massive concern. Also he would have been what, 23 or 24?

It's far less relevant than actually assessing the qualities of the player as he stands today. Isak had a very underwhelming season before Newcastle signed him but they looked at his qualities.

I mean 23/24 years of age.

Why is a flawless striker at Coventry in the Championship at that age?

It has to be a question. Can he do what he's doing when the game is faster. Like I say, I've no idea, haven't watched him.

To be fair I called his goalscoring there average and actually it was better than that.