Veron

Davo

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Now that JSV's left the forum you lot need to appoint a new unrealistic defender of the White Elephant...someone who'll continually praise him as he fails to perform time and time again and everyone else laughs..

Any takers?

I recommend Stan.. ;)
 
No its a far harder task to defend Veron..

In fact, the only way any attempt can be made is to try and change the topic to concentrate on a Liverpool player..
 
Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>No its a far harder task to defend Veron..

In fact, the only way any attempt can be made is to try and change the topic to concentrate on a Liverpool player..</strong><hr></blockquote>

You mean the way you try to change every topic around to Forlan and Veron?

;)
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The one who can offer the best defence of the 28,000,000 waste can take over JSV's official status..

I'll be judge.. ;)
 
Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>The one who can offer the best defence of the 28,000,000 waste can take over JSV's official status..

I'll be judge.. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Thing is, we can afford taking gambles with that kind of money - your fantastic team full of world class players like Heskey and Smicer can't

;)
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If no one can offer a defence of the 28,000,000 failure then we'll simply retire the role of defender out of respect to JSV...
 
This arse does not belong in my forum....off to the MU one.

And take Veron with you Davo

;)
 
This is a SERIOUS question...
If, this time last year, Liverpool, Leeds United (whoever you support) had signed Veron would you have been excited by the prospect of him playing in your midfield? Be honest now...
PS: Forget his poor season at Old Trafford and his display at the World Cup when he was obviously unfit and lacking confidence.
 
Originally posted by the reporter:
<strong>This is a SERIOUS question...
If, this time last year, Liverpool, Leeds United (whoever you support) had signed Veron would you have been excited by the prospect of him playing in your midfield? Be honest now...
PS: Forget his poor season at Old Trafford and his display at the World Cup when he was obviously unfit and lacking confidence.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not a chance - he's not good enough defending corners to play for Liverpool

;)
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I wouldnt worry about Veron lads,
Hell have the last laugh <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
 
Originally posted by the reporter:
<strong>This is a SERIOUS question...
If, this time last year, Liverpool, Leeds United (whoever you support) had signed Veron would you have been excited by the prospect of him playing in your midfield? Be honest now...
PS: Forget his poor season at Old Trafford and his display at the World Cup when he was obviously unfit and lacking confidence.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Course I would have...

I'd have had my doubts about his ability to adapt and the fee etc tho..
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Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>I wouldnt worry about Veron lads,
Hell have the last laugh <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

totaly agree with you watch out for Veron this season <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
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As for criticism of Forlan, that is a joke the guy is only after arriving let's see who will be laughing this time next year.
 
Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>I recommend Stan.. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
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Who the F*** do you think you are having meetings about Veron? You're not even Manc you scouse cnut. All your posts are crap. You can shove it up yer bollocks. ;)
 
Originally posted by Rory 7:
<strong>Who the F*** do you think you are having meetings about Veron? You're not even Manc you scouse cnut. All your posts are crap. You can shove it up yer bollocks. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

I think you hit the nail on the head there. Pity it wasn't placed on Davo's forehead at the time.
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Originally posted by Stanley Road:
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Diehards talk for 'Utter Shit'</strong><hr></blockquote>

He's without doubt the best midfielder in the World when on form you divvy! :p
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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He's without doubt the best midfielder in the World when on form .... </strong><hr></blockquote>


Which isn't often. ;)
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Originally posted by Manchesters Finest:
<strong>I can`t help but worry that Seba to Man Utd will replace Sutton to Chelsea at the top of the biggest waste of money list.</strong><hr></blockquote>


i think he already has, hasn't he?

;)
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Funny how, all the Veron knockers state he had a shit season and admittedly it wasn't the best but if you look @ the OPTA seasons stats, they have Veron as the fourth best attacking midfielder in the premiership, above anyone @ leeds & the 'pool! And if you dont believe me go and check the stats @ OPTA.

I wonder what all the Veron knockers think of that. Any Leeds, Pool or Arse fan can't say they wouldn't be fecking excited @ the prsopect of Veron playing for their team! (if your're being honest.)
 
The problem has been expectation.

As Opta statistics reveal Veron was a top four midfield player in the premiership last season.

The fee and the hype led many to expect him to single-handedly play other teams off the park. That was way unrealistic. Let's take into consideration a few things:

He's playing in a new team in which he had to adjust his approach (learn other players' playing styles, movement off the ball, where, when and how they like the ball played).

He's had to learn a new language and get to grips with a new culture.

He came into a team that was in upheaval due to a change of playing system and Fergie's (then) impending retirement. UTD were not the slick machine of old early on in the season. A lot of players (e.g. Scholes) struggled to find their usual groove and consistency and were struggling to adapt to the new formation. The team was also not playing with the greatest of confidence early on because of an unsettled defence and the Stam debacle.

Veron is used to playing behind two strikers and feeding passes through to them. The new formation (i.e. single striker as an outlet)did not play to his best strengths.

Veron is better as a creative playmaker than as a defensive midfielder. However, in the usual set-up most of UTD's forward play goes through Keane.
When Veron played alongside Butt, who is happy to play a "holding" role, in the Deportivo game, Veron was free to play to his strengths (e.g. the killer pass for OGS to score - pass of the season IMO).

Veron also had to adjust to the premiership's pace of football. Instead of slow patient build-up with a killer pass to unlock defences, it was high-tempo, quick one touch and move football with the empahsis on the quick ball through. Let's be honest, however good you are, it takes time to settle.

He was carrying an injury towards the end of the season - yet still stood up to be counted when asked by Fergie to play when he could have hidden behind his injury.

He has also been mercilessly criticised and targetted by the media. Often he has been misquoted or quoted out of context (eg. pasting old interviews together and passing them off as exclusives). He has been continously linked with Lazio (Lazio must shoulder a lot of the blame for trying to unsettle the player). This has bred fed ill feelings in the fans who suspect Veron is not a true red at heart.

That may be the case at the moment. But think about it. If you felt unappreciated, constantly criticised and the butt of everyone's disappointment at UTD's relative failings last season, wouldn't you be unsettled and unsure about your long term future?

Can Veron play better? Unquestionably. He has admitted himself he can do better. And, having seen him play at OT, you only have to see his reaction when something doesn't come off to know it matters to him. He takes pride in his performances.

Has he been as bad as some people here suggest? No, and the stats prove that.

Does he deserve better than the stick he's recieved? He's a UTD player, a world class player, and a potential match winner. If we can't get behind him, support him and show him that HE IS IMPORTANT TO US, then we don't deserve him.

Oh, and another thing, if it does end sour because we can't support him, I don't expect any other world class players in their prime will want to come to OT. Would you?
 
Veron is class and will be staying IMO. He'll shut his critics up this coming season. Even Stan! :eek: ;)
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>Veron is class and will be staying IMO. He'll shut his critics up this coming season. Even Stan! :eek: ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>


but unfortunately not many people see that! :(
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Well imo after all the hype Veron had a crap season. If he plays well this season, my opinion on the last one won't change - but I'll be dead pleased for him, and for the team.

So there.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Well imo after all the hype Veron had a crap season. If he plays well this season, my opinion on the last one won't change - but I'll be dead pleased for him, and for the team.

So there.</strong><hr></blockquote>

In fairness to Veron he had a similar season to Beckham & Scholes.
Veron played brilliantly for the first two months whereas

Scholes: didnt perform well until Christmas,
Silvestre: ditto
Beckham: performed from February to April

Look @ the big picture, dont make Veron the scapegoat just because he was expensive and is Argentinian. Hes 25 million worth of talent that didnt perform well for the whole season. Scholes & Beckham are both worth at least that price.
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Originally posted by Murt:
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Look @ the big picture, dont make Veron the scapegoat just because he was expensive and is Argentinian. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm not. My biggest problem over Veron is that there were times when had he not cost that amount of money, he would have been on the bench. That's what I don't like about big money players.

I don't have a problem with Veron being at the club, or being given time to settle.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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I'm not. My biggest problem over Veron is that there were times when had he not cost that amount of money, he would have been on the bench. That's what I don't like about big money players.
I don't have a problem with Veron being at the club, or being given time to settle.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I dont mean you personally. I wouldnt say it was his price tg that gave him the nod ahead of Scholes or Butt on several occasions but the type of player he is.
Personally i hate to see any of them three playing out wide. They are all very central players and the problem is that it has to be Keane + 1 of these 3 players. Scholes form was as bad as Veron's for most of the season and Butt was considered by many not to be up to the job. In the latter part of the season & in Japan Butt's profile has been raised so it should change.
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Originally posted by Murt:
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I dont mean you personally. I wouldnt say it was his price tg that gave him the nod ahead of Scholes or Butt on several occasions but the type of player he is.
Personally i hate to see any of them three playing out wide. They are all very central players and the problem is that it has to be Keane + 1 of these 3 players. Scholes form was as bad as Veron's for most of the season and Butt was considered by many not to be up to the job. In the latter part of the season & in Japan Butt's profile has been raised so it should change.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I think Butt's performances in the WC give Fergie something to consider. Will Butt be content to play a bit part this season behind Scholes and Veron? He's coming into his prime years and deservedly earned high praise. It kinda makes me wonder that if Keane is a cert and Veron will not be sold (as Fergie seems so insistent he won't be) and Butt is so forcefully staking his claim, whether Scholes may go. UTD need to sell big if they buy big and Fergie's master plan of playing Scholes as a withdrawn striker failed so spectacularly that it virtually wrecked our domestic season (more successful in Europe has to be said). Could be that Fergie may need to move him on to raise finance.

Thoughts?
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Veron is also coming into his primne years. And one bad year won't stop Fergie's faith in him remeber king Cole?
 
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>Veron is also coming into his primne years. And one bad year won't stop Fergie's faith in him remeber king Cole?</strong><hr></blockquote>

100% Agree with you.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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He's without doubt the best midfielder in the World when on form you divvy! :p </strong><hr></blockquote>

Diehards talk for "I'll defend the useless cnut till he dies although no-one is ever going to see him play as good as i imagine he can"
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Originally posted by Stanley Road:
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Diehards talk for "I'll defend the useless cnut till he dies although no-one is ever going to see him play as good as i imagine he can"</strong><hr></blockquote>

You really do lack any sort of vision dont you? :rolleyes:
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I flew the Veron flag all last season, and received much pain for it. I had a dream that he'd play a blinder in the Euro final and prove everyone wrong. For a while during our recovery it looked like it just might happen. Then I went to the Boro game....

We have to keep the faith. He's earned his "World Class" title and he's come to play for us. Fergies got his hands full boosting his confidence after a poor WC, but if anyone can SAF can.

Hopefully the players round him know they were poor too and together they'll blow everyone away like we know they can. :cool:
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
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You really do lack any sort of vision dont you? :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Diehards talk for "I cant defend the useless twat any longer so i'll try and have a dig at the poster that sees things more cleary than i do"
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