United are in the position that we have 3 quality defensive midfielders. Omly one can play in the starting eleven. Keane and Veron cannot play in the same team as it would mean pushing scholes out of position again. We can't afford this to happen again if he is to regain his form. In his position he is probably the most effective in the premiership. This means one of the trio mentioned above will have to leave. Who? Although it may be controversial, in my view it should be Keane. Over the last year he has been showing signs of going the way of Paul Ince, openly critising the team and generally believing he is bigger than the club. He is also the oldest and has only a year left of being able to attract a decent transfer fee.
Stay off the crack mate
From the last i heard, we have got 3 GKs as well. Obviously only one can play in the starting eleven too. Hmm maybe we can cash on Barthez soon. 
How's abt that?
FYI we need a squad of players to win the lot; we don't do that by selling our captain for a start. <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
How's abt that? FYI we need a squad of players to win the lot; we don't do that by selling our captain for a start. <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
Your premise is off. All of our midfielders can play in this team. We need as much depth as we can muster for all the cup comps, as well as player absences due to injury, suspension, loss of form etc. Keane isn't going anywhere, nor are Scholes or Veron. Allowing Butt and Scholes to play behind Keano and Seba will keep everyone fresh throughout the year.
Wow... that's what I call a controversial first post!
Welcome btw!
Welcome btw!
Originally posted by unitedfan-up-the-tower:
<strong>United are in the position that we have 3 quality defensive midfielders. Omly one can play in the starting eleven. Keane and Veron cannot play in the same team as it would mean pushing scholes out of position again. We can't afford this to happen again if he is to regain his form. In his position he is probably the most effective in the premiership. This means one of the trio mentioned above will have to leave. Who? Although it may be controversial, in my view it should be Keane. Over the last year he has been showing signs of going the way of Paul Ince, openly critising the team and generally believing he is bigger than the club. He is also the oldest and has only a year left of being able to attract a decent transfer fee.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Originally posted by jedi master yoda:
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Where did the yoda 'way-of-speaking' go?? <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
veron = defensive midfielder???
first post, eh? what's the problem - not allowed access to a comp. at the loony-bin you were? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
if veron's a defensive midfielder, .... let' not go down that one... <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />
if veron's a defensive midfielder, .... let' not go down that one... <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />
Now that Nicky Butt has finally been given the chance to prove himself at international level he will not be prepared to sit on the bench and make starting appearances when suspension, injuries or tiredness have taken another midfielder out. He needs as much first team football as possible to stop Steven Gerrard reclaiming his place for England. Even though he doesn't want to move he may have to consider it for the sake of his international career.
It was proved last seanson that Veron and Keane cannot play in the same team without pushing scholes out of position. Keane has been without doubt United best midfielder for the past 5 or so years but would you be happy to see him stay if he continues to openly critise his teammates. The american quote of "there is no i in team" is very apt in this situation.
I agree you have to have a large squad to be able to challenge on all fronts but 3 internationals challenging for the same position. One of them will enivatably become disheartened.
It was proved last seanson that Veron and Keane cannot play in the same team without pushing scholes out of position. Keane has been without doubt United best midfielder for the past 5 or so years but would you be happy to see him stay if he continues to openly critise his teammates. The american quote of "there is no i in team" is very apt in this situation.
I agree you have to have a large squad to be able to challenge on all fronts but 3 internationals challenging for the same position. One of them will enivatably become disheartened.
Veron??
Tee Hee
Tee Hee
Originally posted by DanishDevil:
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Where did the yoda 'way-of-speaking' go?? <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
greetings jedi DD.....hmmm explained this before has jedi master.....be mindful of what jedi master has said before, you must young padawan
Originally posted by jedi master yoda:
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greetings jedi DD.....hmmm explained this before has jedi master.....be mindful of what jedi master has said before, you must young padawan
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
Oh dear!
Will someone please tell me when Verón became a defensive midfielder?
Will someone please tell me when Verón became a defensive midfielder?
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>Oh dear!
Will someone please tell me when Verón became a defensive midfielder?
That's after he came to England. He is now a "midfielder" who always need to "defend" himself against the critizes thrown on him.
charlie's devils:
I hate to be a sheep. But I agree with just about everyone here;
Keano is the heart of midfield. Without him, we are a different team, there's no question about it. Eventually, we are going to loose him, but we don't want to bring that problem on ourselves. Selling him would be a shot in the foot.
Keano is the heart of midfield. Without him, we are a different team, there's no question about it. Eventually, we are going to loose him, but we don't want to bring that problem on ourselves. Selling him would be a shot in the foot.
jmy:
Do you do private work?? I have a friend who needs legal advice......
Originally posted by radd:
<strong>jmy:
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
we're not worthy!
we're not worthy!
we're not worthy!</strong><hr></blockquote>
errrr....what
irony is when the literal meaning is (usually diametrically) opposite to the intended meaning
the confusion - if you would care to look up a dictionary (too much trouble?) you would find that sarcasm is generally ironic in nature...
that's okay, the subtle classification has confounded many minds before, including experts, (lingusitic, not legal)
what ya suggested was indeed sarcastic (as ya pointed out - bravo!)
it's lame, cuz it's inane - ya wanna take a five-second look at a pretty serious issue and come up with a judgement - that's okay, i'll just put it
down to yer being a football fan...
my hunch as you put it, is the firing squad example - quite self-explanatory...
where i get ideas like that - it's called extrapolation...
i did admit that some of those were cheap shots - obviouly expecting you to do the same was a mistake - you respond with more inane cheap shots
p.s. i till think ya're right bout the smilies.
thumper, sorry - i'm no legal expert, but there's internet sites that offer all KINDS of private work...
jedi master yoda -
SUPREME post - we're not worthy of being in yer presence
(note to charlie's devils, nice name,btw - this last papragraph contains no example of irony or sarcasm)
the confusion - if you would care to look up a dictionary (too much trouble?) you would find that sarcasm is generally ironic in nature...
that's okay, the subtle classification has confounded many minds before, including experts, (lingusitic, not legal)
what ya suggested was indeed sarcastic (as ya pointed out - bravo!)
it's lame, cuz it's inane - ya wanna take a five-second look at a pretty serious issue and come up with a judgement - that's okay, i'll just put it
down to yer being a football fan...
my hunch as you put it, is the firing squad example - quite self-explanatory...
where i get ideas like that - it's called extrapolation...
i did admit that some of those were cheap shots - obviouly expecting you to do the same was a mistake - you respond with more inane cheap shots
p.s. i till think ya're right bout the smilies.
thumper, sorry - i'm no legal expert, but there's internet sites that offer all KINDS of private work...
jedi master yoda -
SUPREME post - we're not worthy of being in yer presence
(note to charlie's devils, nice name,btw - this last papragraph contains no example of irony or sarcasm)
I did get the dictionary out, but only to look up the word extrapolation.
Unfortunately, the definition didn't quite say making things up out of thin air, but it wasn't far off.
So based on no facts, you've decided I am in favour of seeing guilty man walk free and innocent men die?
Good one.
By the way, why do Yanks write ya? Do ya think it makes you seem sassy?
Unfortunately, the definition didn't quite say making things up out of thin air, but it wasn't far off.
So based on no facts, you've decided I am in favour of seeing guilty man walk free and innocent men die?
Good one.
By the way, why do Yanks write ya? Do ya think it makes you seem sassy?
cd:
I did get the dictionary out, but only to look up the word extrapolation.
Unfortunately, the definition didn't quite say making things up out of thin air, but it wasn't far off.
So based on no facts, you've decided I am in favour of seeing guilty man walk free and innocent men die?
Good one.
1.read above post again
2.consult dictionary again
3.get lobotomy
4.repeat if necessary
By the way, why do Yanks write ya? Do ya think it makes you seem sassy?
sorry to disappoint ya, but i'm not an American cousin of yours. in fact, i don't believe i'm related to ya at all. (hope not!!)
but the way ya obsess over kemo sounds like family arguments in public. what were ya doing, around, say 1980?
oh, on the Internet, i'm sure ya'll come across many instances of arbitrary short-hand.
i can see why ya hate it. ya, of course, prefer to think less and write more - all longhand
have a nice day.
I did get the dictionary out, but only to look up the word extrapolation.
Unfortunately, the definition didn't quite say making things up out of thin air, but it wasn't far off.
So based on no facts, you've decided I am in favour of seeing guilty man walk free and innocent men die?
Good one.
1.read above post again
2.consult dictionary again
3.get lobotomy
4.repeat if necessary
By the way, why do Yanks write ya? Do ya think it makes you seem sassy?
sorry to disappoint ya, but i'm not an American cousin of yours. in fact, i don't believe i'm related to ya at all. (hope not!!)
but the way ya obsess over kemo sounds like family arguments in public. what were ya doing, around, say 1980?
oh, on the Internet, i'm sure ya'll come across many instances of arbitrary short-hand.
i can see why ya hate it. ya, of course, prefer to think less and write more - all longhand
have a nice day.
You're not American?
I am Jack's complete shock!
I am Jack's complete shock!
nice comeback.
please ignore all i've said before. you are obviously a good-hearted soul who cares deeply about injustice. you are extermely intelligent, with a finely-tuned brain - the envy of many continents, you never stoop to personal insults as an alternative to argument, you are fair-minded, generous and the first to point out your own faults. you never speak ill of others, and are the epitome of all goodness.
P.S. spot the irony and the sarcasm.
please ignore all i've said before. you are obviously a good-hearted soul who cares deeply about injustice. you are extermely intelligent, with a finely-tuned brain - the envy of many continents, you never stoop to personal insults as an alternative to argument, you are fair-minded, generous and the first to point out your own faults. you never speak ill of others, and are the epitome of all goodness.
P.S. spot the irony and the sarcasm.
Originally posted by DanishDevil:
<strong>Wow... that's what I call a controversial first post!
Welcome btw!</strong><hr></blockquote>
I did something similar for my first post - the stitches come out next week after my mawling.
It's a learning curve that a Ferarri would struggle with.
ps. You're talking bollox
impressive.
once again, this difficulty w/ (more arbitrary shorthand) sarcasm and irony.
this i why i posted an exercise in spotting the two. for practice.
have a nive day.
ya're right bout (one more!) the smilies. look how many posts we've made, without needing them.
cheers!
this i why i posted an exercise in spotting the two. for practice.
have a nive day.
ya're right bout (one more!) the smilies. look how many posts we've made, without needing them.
cheers!