Veron - An Overall Summary

yaps

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From the moment I was told at work United had just signed Veron, my mate was estactic, Unlike myself who asked the question of why we should buy players already when we have the best midfield in the country?

Don't get me wrong, Il cheer his name if he scores as I have any United player, but questions need answering in my opinion

Anyways, Veron has had his up's and not to mention his downs . . .

The Premiership seems to be a big problem, not to mention the fact the game appears to be too quick for him, forcing him to rush passes and crosses which doesn't really help his case

In Europe however, the games usually tend to be a slower pace, Veron has time and seems to be more of an outstanding player than most on the park when it comes to showing excellence

Veron as we all know is from Argentina, meaning that he's on a work permit, this means he has to play a percentage of games in order for him to qualify for another one next year

So wheres the problem? Well, regardless of how badly or well he plays in the Premiership, he has to play virtually every game other wise his permit won't be renewed, whether it be from the bench or a starting 11 place in the side

So where does his case lie, apparently hes got the "flu" - is this just a way of classing him as injured/unfit to play so it doesn't add to his work permit of missed games?

Many questions need answering and it wouldn't suprise me if he is part of Fergusons so called clear out in the summer if he does one

Opinions anyone?
 
Yaps, I'm surprised at you lad. You know very well what this will turn into, as if there are not already a few on the go. <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />

And nobody is banning me! :)
 
Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
<strong>I pretty much agree with that</strong><hr></blockquote>

With me or with Neil?

(I can't ban people . . . . . . yet)
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Originally posted by SPACEY:
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I thought he had an Italian Passport?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Regardless, He still has a work permit to my knowledge
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Can't argue with that Yaps. Veron has been good for us in Europe but ordinary in the league. Saying that we lose a vital asset if we sell him which is the ability to provide a variation of threats from central midfield i.e. the penetrative through ball which no matter what anyone says Scholes is simply not as good at. If he goes, he needs to be replaced if we want to challenge on all fronts.
 
Originally posted by yaps:
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With me or with Neil?

(I can't ban people . . . . . . yet)</strong><hr></blockquote>

Neil is with you.
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Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>Yaps, I'm surprised at you lad. You know very well what this will turn into, as if there are not already a few on the go. <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />
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I know theres a couple, I looked through them, the revelence of what he would look like with hair has no importance to his game in my opinion

;)
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Originally posted by yaps:
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I know theres a couple, I looked through them, the revelence of what he would look like with hair has no importance to his game in my opinion

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Shut them then! ;)
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Originally posted by yaps:
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I have no power in this forum...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, what you doing in here? Get back to your fiefdom, veron-hater! ;)
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As I see it, Veron would play incredibly well in a style of play that United seem currently incapable of playing--due to having, IMO, the wrong personnel. Veron, I think, would be great at Arsenal, but United are different, and I don't necessarily think I want a massive overhaul in players. If we get rid of him, however, he will still need to be replaced, for we can't exactly afford to sit on our laurels.
 
I agree with JSV and Mathiaslg that if Veron was to go, then perhaps he should be replaced, but with someone who is more durable than maybe just European football

However, if the 'old' midfield was to be reunited week in week out of Giggs-Beckham-Keane-Scholes, would it be the same and as dominant before Veron arrived?
 
I don't think he'd work for Arsenal either, he's simply not suited to the Premier League as he can't tackle. Arsenal play 4-4-2, as do most english sides, and if someone who can't tackle is played in one of those midfield slots then its effectively an open door in that flat 4 thus exposing the defence. Really he needs to be in front of or behind a midfield 4. If played behind then he could play his long passes but we'd have to lose a striker which would negate the effectiveness of the long passes, or a defender, and I can't ever see us doing that. He doesn't seem able to play up behind the strikers as his short passing isn't as good as his long passing. A central midfielder must have defensive ability imo.
 
Originally posted by yaps:
<strong>I agree with JSV and Mathiaslg that if Veron was to go, then perhaps he should be replaced, but with someone who is more durable than maybe just European football

However, if the 'old' midfield was to be reunited week in week out of Giggs-Beckham-Keane-Scholes, would it be the same and as dominant before Veron arrived?</strong><hr></blockquote>
In the EPL it would be dominant if all of them had the same desire as they used to, and produced their best form. And if they were used right, as wingers, with Giggs not cutting in and Beckham sticking to the wing. If they don't, or won't, reproduce their best form due to the right desire, then they need replacing. The one piece of it though that really didn't need replacing was Scholes. It seems to me that Scholes was moved forwards instead of buying in a replacement to Yorke. If he had bought Di Canio the first time, then Scholes would have stayed in midfield. It might just be that Alex was waiting for the opportunity to arise to get the front player that he really really wanted (both Cisse and Ronaldinho haven't been available) rather than any old one, but effectively sacrificed last season, though he couldn't have expected the players to make so many individual errors or be so rocked by Stam's departure.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>It might just be that Alex was waiting for the opportunity to arise to get the front player that he really really wanted </strong><hr></blockquote>

Perhaps the orignal idea of Veron then was that he was to be used as a front player rather than a midfielder but didn't turn out like that
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Originally posted by yaps:
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Perhaps the orignal idea of Veron then was that he was to be used as a front player rather than a midfielder but didn't turn out like that</strong><hr></blockquote>
I thought the idea, and practice, was that Scholes would be the front player. Alex and Carlos both seem to really believe that he can be, but it seems self-evident that he's far more suited to a midfield role and its to his detriment to play him up front, as well as our midfield's detriment.
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agreed chaps. i think scholes is showing signs of becoming a world class playmaker, as in not simply an attacking midfielder making late runs.
his technique is immaculate and his intelligence is second to no one.
what he needs to help him along is a world class player just behind Ruud, and seba cant play there (even though he played there for Lazio am i wrong?).
scholes is our heartbeat, build or rebuild or whatever but do it around him, so i say chaps :D <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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I thought the idea, and practice, was that Scholes would be the front player. Alex and Carlos both seem to really believe that he can be, but it seems self-evident that he's far more suited to a midfield role and its to his detriment to play him up front, as well as our midfield's detriment.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That is quite ironic. SAF believe he can make Scholes a forward, but now it seems all evidence are there that Scholes has become one of the best all-rounded midfielder in the world today.
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I wonder why SAF never tried putting Veron in front of Scholes.. could that work? Veron will have to deal with much less tackling and can concentrate more on playmaking the assists for RVN.

Scholes still get to be the main man in CM alongside Keane, both of them will run rule over the Premiership and the CL.
 
Originally posted by JSV:
<strong>Can't argue with that Yaps. Veron has been good for us in Europe but ordinary in the league. Saying that we lose a vital asset if we sell him which is the ability to provide a variation of threats from central midfield i.e. the penetrative through ball which no matter what anyone says Scholes is simply not as good at. If he goes, he needs to be replaced if we want to challenge on all fronts.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Totally Agree........SELL VERON AND BUY JOAQUIN &QUARESMO.....Both probably will cost the price of Veron who i think we can sell for 25 million
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Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>I wonder why SAF never tried putting Veron in front of Scholes.. could that work? Veron will have to deal with much less tackling and can concentrate more on playmaking the assists for RVN.

Scholes still get to be the main man in CM alongside Keane, both of them will run rule over the Premiership and the CL.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I THINK THAT'z a good idea....SAF should try it....it may work
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Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>I wonder why SAF never tried putting Veron in front of Scholes..

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He did. It didn't work.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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He did. It didn't work.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I also remember SAF has tried that and it didn't work. The point is that Veron need too much time on the ball, and playing up front the opponent defenders just won't give him time.
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Veron doesn't work anywhere except perhaps in the midfield when everyone else is injured against shite Euro opposition.

He is a waste of money, we should sell him now, please get rid of him asap, he's a luxury who isn't even luxurious, he shouldn't be displacing Scholes et al, he doesn't belong on the wing, he doesn't belong "in the hole", etc etc
 
Why not try Beckham in the middle? Its where he plays for England and with Veron on the right there is still going to be quality ball coming over. Veron wont be beating players on the wings so there'll be no change on the right side but it does give our opponents something to think about especially if they switch during games.
 
Originally posted by thumper:
<strong>Why not try Beckham in the middle? Its where he plays for England and with Veron on the right there is still going to be quality ball coming over. Veron wont be beating players on the wings so there'll be no change on the right side but it does give our opponents something to think about especially if they switch during games.</strong><hr></blockquote>

he played on the right at times last season when bex was out do i remember right? seemed to do "OK". :(
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Its all very well and good yelling postions and ways of playing Veron, But correct me if Im wrong but I think Ferguson has tried him in all of them

Regardless of where he plays when he plays in the league he seems to become some what an ordinary player, Europe on the other hand he can sit in virtually any midfield postion and usually perform very well
 
Originally posted by yaps:
<strong>Its all very well and good yelling postions and ways of playing Veron, But correct me if Im wrong but I think Ferguson has tried him in all of them

Regardless of where he plays when he plays in the league he seems to become some what an ordinary player, Europe on the other hand he can sit in virtually any midfield postion and usually perform very well</strong><hr></blockquote>

what does that mean you think.. that CL football is better than EPL? If no, then why do our fans want the CL more than the EPL?
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No idea what your talking about, I'd love to win the Champions League again

The Premiership is in a completly different class to the Champions League due to the fact its a hell of alot quicker.
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>If no, then why do our fans want the CL more than the EPL?</strong><hr></blockquote>

And where does this priceless fact come from?
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