US UK Special Relationship. Is It Really So Special.

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As Kier Starmer prepares to go to the US to meet with Donald Trump, we keep being told that there is a long standing special relationship between the 2 countries.
But what is it, what makes it so special and who does it really benefit?

I am sure that the 2 countries do work very closely on matters of security, which benefits both sides.
But apart from that, it is not that obvious what that relationship is.
 
The US's only special relationship is, and has always been, with Israel.

Merz is correct to say that under the current administration the US is largely indifferent to the fate of Europe, including the UK. Nato's Article 5 looks to be in tatters (at last as far as the US is concerned - there's absolutely no chance they will come to the defence of one of the Eastern European Nato states if/when Russia inevitably invade).

Given Trump's dreadful history of intelligence handling and the fact he's appointed a complete idiot in Tulsi Gabbard in such a prominent role, the UK must also review its intelligence sharing agreements with the US.

In short, the US is no longer a reliable ally, for the UK or Europe more widely.
 
The US's only special relationship is, and has always been, with Israel.

Merz is correct to say that under the current administration the US is largely indifferent to the fate of Europe, including the UK. Nato's Article 5 looks to be in tatters (at last as far as the US is concerned - there's absolutely no chance they will come to the defence of one of the Eastern European Nato states if/when Russia inevitably invade).

Given Trump's dreadful history of intelligence handling and the fact he's appointed a complete idiot in Tulsi Gabbard in such a prominent role, the UK must also review its intelligence sharing agreements with the US.

In short, the US is no longer a reliable ally, for the UK or Europe more widely.

That's not true. Basically all modern technologies that are used across Europe are US made/dependent - the continent is totally reliant on the US for it's innovation. Our phones/chips, our search engines, our email, our banking systems, our e-commerce... it's all American really. And that's not to begin mentioning all the security equipment and pharmaceuticals that are imported. Yes, China supplies us with the low cost goods and materials - but the US is at the backbone of our critical digital infrastructures and finances. This makes the relationship "special" in the sense that we are more reliant on the US than any other major global economy for our day-to-day lives.

Trump's perceived indifference to Europe (hopefully just perceived!) comes from his knowledge that US firms are providing the backbone to Europe's infrastructure and security with little wriggle room for Europe to transition away in a timeframe that doesn't massively weaken the continent from both a financial and security perspective. Europe simply doesn't have the means to innovate at the pace and necessity like the US or China - the closest disruptive innovation hub Europe has cultural and secure access to is probably Tel Aviv. I'm glad Merz is showing a backbone as I think this is necessary for Trump to actually take leaders on the continent seriously.

Your point about is Israel-US relations is also totally incorrect. US-Israel special relations - by a modern definition - only began flourishing in the 80s. Before then there was even a high level of suspicion from the US as there were concerns Israel could fall into the sphere of influence of the USSR. In the 1960s, for instance, food aid was the only provisions being made to Israel by the US - and US arms were sold to both Israel and their adversaries. This point also doesn't acknowledge the very special relationship that undoubtedly existed between the US and UK in the interim and post-war period.
 
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That's not true. Basically all modern technologies that are used across Europe are US made/dependent - the continent is totally reliant on the US for it's innovation. Our phones/chips, our search engines, our email, our banking systems, our e-commerce... it's all American really. And that's not to begin mentioning all the security equipment and pharmaceuticals that are imported. Yes, China supplies us with the low cost goods and materials - but the US is at the backbone of our critical digital infrastructures and finances. This makes the relationship "special" in the sense that we are more reliant on the US than any other major global economy for our day-to-day lives.

Trump's perceived indifference to Europe (hopefully just perceived!) comes from his knowledge that US firms are providing the backbone to Europe's infrastructure and security with little wriggle room for Europe to transition away in a timeframe that doesn't massively weaken the continent from both a financial and security perspective. Europe simply doesn't have the means to innovate at the pace and necessity like the US or China - the closest disruptive innovation hub Europe has cultural and secure access to is probably Tel Aviv. I'm glad Merz is showing a backbone as I think this is necessary for Trump to actually take leaders on the continent seriously.

Your point about is Israel-US relations is also totally incorrect. US-Israel special relations - by a modern definition - only began flourishing in the 80s. Before then there was even a high level of suspicion from the US as there were concerns Israel could fall into the sphere of influence of the USSR. In the 1960s, for instance, food aid was the only provisions being made to Israel by the US - and US arms were sold to both Israel and their adversaries. This point also doesn't acknowledge the very special relationship that undoubtedly existed between the US and UK in the interim and post-war period.
My take on this is he is acting like he is now because Europe has fought back a bit against big US tech in courts + there has been growing noise on new laws which make it better for tech founders to start up and stay in Europe, rather than move to the US. Is it really any different to the reliance on Russian gas when you think of it, if you allow yourself to become dependent on someone they can then just start taking more and more influence on you for their personal gain.
 
It’s not a special relationship. It is two colonial, imperial powers one more historical and one current, who have a mutual beneficial relationship.

All this talk about it being about security of western countries is BS. It’s the rest of the world that needs security from countries like the US.
 
We should have told them to get fecked the moment they refused to extradite Anne Sacoolas.
 
It’s not a special relationship. It is two colonial, imperial powers one more historical and one current, who have a mutual beneficial relationship.

All this talk about it being about security of western countries is BS. It’s the rest of the world that needs security from countries like the US.
It is a special relationship since one gave birth to the other.
 
The US's only special relationship is, and has always been, with Israel.

Merz is correct to say that under the current administration the US is largely indifferent to the fate of Europe, including the UK. Nato's Article 5 looks to be in tatters (at last as far as the US is concerned - there's absolutely no chance they will come to the defence of one of the Eastern European Nato states if/when Russia inevitably invade).

Given Trump's dreadful history of intelligence handling and the fact he's appointed a complete idiot in Tulsi Gabbard in such a prominent role, the UK must also review its intelligence sharing agreements with the US.

In short, the US is no longer a reliable ally, for the UK or Europe more widely.

That is pretty much my view as well.
 
That's not true. Basically all modern technologies that are used across Europe are US made/dependent - the continent is totally reliant on the US for it's innovation. Our phones/chips, our search engines, our email, our banking systems, our e-commerce... it's all American really. And that's not to begin mentioning all the security equipment and pharmaceuticals that are imported. Yes, China supplies us with the low cost goods and materials - but the US is at the backbone of our critical digital infrastructures and finances. This makes the relationship "special" in the sense that we are more reliant on the US than any other major global economy for our day-to-day lives.

Trump's perceived indifference to Europe (hopefully just perceived!) comes from his knowledge that US firms are providing the backbone to Europe's infrastructure and security with little wriggle room for Europe to transition away in a timeframe that doesn't massively weaken the continent from both a financial and security perspective. Europe simply doesn't have the means to innovate at the pace and necessity like the US or China - the closest disruptive innovation hub Europe has cultural and secure access to is probably Tel Aviv. I'm glad Merz is showing a backbone as I think this is necessary for Trump to actually take leaders on the continent seriously.

Your point about is Israel-US relations is also totally incorrect. US-Israel special relations - by a modern definition - only began flourishing in the 80s. Before then there was even a high level of suspicion from the US as there were concerns Israel could fall into the sphere of influence of the USSR. In the 1960s, for instance, food aid was the only provisions being made to Israel by the US - and US arms were sold to both Israel and their adversaries. This point also doesn't acknowledge the very special relationship that undoubtedly existed between the US and UK in the interim and post-war period.
Of course all that innovation would be useless if Britain hadn't shown the way and invented pretty much everything a modern country runs on, the video below shows what the Brits dd for thr world and it's a hell of a lot more than anyone else!