Uruguay at World Cup 2014

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Uruguay coach Óscar Tabárez provisional 25-man squad for the World Cup finals:

Goalkeepers: Fernando Muslera (Galatasaray), Martin Silva (Vasco da Gama), Rodrigo Munoz (Libertad)

Defenders: Maximiliano Pereira (Benfica), Diego Lugano (West Bromwich Albion), Diego Godin, Jose Maria Gimenez (both Atletico Madrid), Sebastian Coates (Nacional), Martin Caceres (Juventus), Jorge Fucile (Porto)

Midfielders: Alejandro Silva (Lanus), Alvaro Gonzalez (Lazio), Alvaro Pereira (Sao Paulo), Walter Gargano (Parma), Egidio Arevalo Rios (Morelia), Diego Perez (Bologna), Sebastian Eguren (Palmeiras), Cristian Rodriguez (Atletico Madrid), Gaston Ramirez (Southampton), Nicolas Lodeiro (Botafogo)

Forwards: Luis Suarez (Liverpool), Edinson Cavani (Paris St Germain), Abel Hernandez (Palermo), Diego Forlan (Cerezo Osaka), Christian Stuani (Espanyol)


They are in one of the tougher group but with the players accustomed to the conditions and having on of the best players in the world based on last season's form, they have a decent shout of having a good run if they can make it out of the group stages.

Any notable absentee in the squad?
 
Does anybody know how good that Gonzalez is? He is probably their best known midfielder, the rest of their midfield seems very average.
 
I'm just wondering what Lugano is doing in there, being a 33 year old free agent. I've heard he's supposed to start as well. Is the competitiion that awful?
 
I'm just wondering what Lugano is doing in there, being a 33 year old free agent. I've heard he's supposed to start as well. Is the competitiion that awful?

Godín is the definite starter but Lugano remains the captain and the heart and soul of that defence.

Tabárez has always been quite loyal to those who have performed in the past and runs a tight ship only replacing players when it is arguably too late. He has made shedloads of mistakes over the qualifiers and everyone expected Giménez to replace him but with the form Miranda and Godín have been in he hasn't got much of a look in at Atlético.

The last CB who was getting blooded in successfully was Coates (and we are taking him for the same loyalty reasons) but he too suffered from a transfer that left him perma-benched. It's the usual problem with countries with impoverished clubs and leagues, you still produce talent but can't keep hold of them to see out their development. Instead we watch some random rich club in Europe buy them and ship them to their reserves as one more experiment/peanut investment that may pay off. We lost an entire generation that had been runners-up in an U-20WC and within months were warming benches at Real, Juve, Milan and Inter. You've all heard of Aimar, Riquelme, Saviola... yet the Golden Ball and Silver Ball went to two Uruguayan players, never to be heard of again, none of them ever made it. Suarez and Cavani were lucky that one went to Ajax (great for development) and the other to Palermo (who couldn't afford to buy benchwarmers).
 
Thanks for the explanation @antohan, who would be the starting back 4 for you or the average football fan in Uruguay?

Who do you consider the guilty party (if there is any) when you mention the bench-warming talent problem? On one hand there's clubs like Chelsea buying 2 reserve squads full of talent and loaning them out/putting them on the bench, but on the other side of the argument there's the players themselves going from rather obscure/small teams instantly to the big guns ala Real, Juve, Milan etc. It seems to be a choice between money (big club) and playing time (smaller club) and while it may seem wisest for players to advance there carreer in decent size steps, would you be able to say no to the big money/clubs?
 
Thanks for the explanation @antohan, who would be the starting back 4 for you or the average football fan in Uruguay?

Who do you consider the guilty party (if there is any) when you mention the bench-warming talent problem? On one hand there's clubs like Chelsea buying 2 reserve squads full of talent and loaning them out/putting them on the bench, but on the other side of the argument there's the players themselves going from rather obscure/small teams instantly to the big guns ala Real, Juve, Milan etc. It seems to be a choice between money (big club) and playing time (smaller club) and while it may seem wisest for players to advance there carreer in decent size steps, would you be able to say no to the big money/clubs?
It will most likely be
Maxi Perreira ----- Lugano ----- Godin ---- Caceres
They have to play really deep to accommodate Lugano's lack of pace but he does tend to do better for Uruguay than for his latest club sides. Plus he has experience over the emerging talent Gimenez of Atletico
 
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They won't get out of the groups. Italy have a more balanced team and Englands pace will destroy them. I'm amazed at how many people are overrating them as some dark horse.

That's virtually the same squad they took to South Africa.

Which is why they won't get out of groups.

I watch a lot of South American football so I know what i'm talking about. This team has run out of gas and are predictable and old. They've got some outstanding players but in all honesty, England should not lose to them.
 
Wow I didn't know Forlan was still in the squad. :eek:

The defense and the midfield don't look to great to be honest, apart from Godin of course. On the other hand the forwards look kinda good. :drool:
 
I don't think they'll get out of the group, I fancy Italy to win it with England runners up.
 
Welp, Suarez won't be 100% for the world cup then.
 
Big loss for Uruguay. Helps England's chances now.
 
Suarez will be very luck if he makes the World Cup, I have just started running 7 weeks after keyhole surgery on my knee. Different injury to him (meniscus medial tear) but it will still be sore and weak to turn, tackle etc!
 
whilst it depends how big the tear in the meniscus is its very unlikely he will be fit in time, and rushing him back could him a lot of harm, big call for uruguay this
 
whilst it depends how big the tear in the meniscus is its very unlikely he will be fit in time, and rushing him back could him a lot of harm, big call for uruguay this

and for Liverpool. They'll want him in cotton wool for next season.
 
Interesting... maybe I'll be rooting for Uruguay a bit too in this world cup. I actually really like them, except Suarez.
 
I am very happy with this news. Call me classless but I don't give a shit. It's Suarez after all, and it gives my team a better chance to go through.
 
Tough luck but this is great news for England. Even if he does make it he won't be fully fit.
 
Never good to see players miss out (potentially) on the chance to play at a World Cup.

Suarez though, that's a different case.
 
Big loss that. Top scorer in qualifying & with Cavani coming off the back of a less than stellar season that'll hurt their chances in a big way.
 
Could be great news for England if true.

As much as I dislike Suarez though, I wouldn't be totally over the moon to see him ruled out of the tournament. The World Cup is the pinnacle of football tournaments, an event where all the worlds best players show off what they can do in front of the whole world whilst competing for the greatest prize of all. Although Suarez is undoubtedly a cnut of the highest order on the pitch, he is one of the best footballers around and it'd be a bit of shame to see him join the list of Ibrahimovic and Falcao in world class forwards that will miss this tournament whilst at the peak of their powers.

I'm not saying I'd feel sorry for him but one of the many reasons so many people watch the World Cup is to see the best players play. Focusing simply on the aforementioned forwards footballing abilities, it would be a shame to see them all miss out.
 
Easy to dislike the player but never enjoy hearing a player gets injured, especially before a tournament like the WC. Wonder if he'll be fit in time although I find it unlikely

Shame too when you consider how good, on paper, this tournament was looking - hope there are no more significant injuries
 
The Uruguyan Football Association is said to be optimisic that Suarez will be fit for the World Cup, with his team kicking off their campaign against Costa Rica on June 14 before facing England five days later.

Can't see him missing the World Cup. Even Falcao is likely to play and he was written off by everyone when he got injured.
 
@antohan I was just speaking to one of my friends who informed me that out of all the previous WC winners, only one wasn't invited for the ceremony/whatever and that person seems to be Alcides Ghiggia. Is that really true? Really small time of Brazil if this is true. Are they still stuck up on that loss?
 
It appears (or so says FIFA) he has tickets for the opening game and transport to the stadium arranged. What they don't mention in their statement is why he hasn't received accreditation to participate in the ceremony, which is the crux of it. I think it's just a FIFA shambles and not something deliberate from the Brazilians themselves who have always been quite good sports regarding him. Being hurt doesn't mean being stupid, you won't find Brazilians having anything but respect for a goalscorer! In fact, his feet are cast in concrete in the Maracana Hall/Walk of Fame and he was good friends with most of the 1950 Brazilian players who acknowledged he was always a good person to talk to "because he was there and he understood them" (being a football player himself he would empathise with how fine the margins are and how fickle fans are).

Blame FIFA, not the Brazilians.
 
Re: being stuck up on that loss. It will hang over their heads throughout the tournament, make no mistake about it. I expect everythign to go jolly good but as they approach the business end it will start weighing heavily ont heir shoulders.

Problem is, it weighs on our shoulders even more. There's almost an expectation that the feat should be repeated, we will carry that weight from Day 1, but we are not Brazil, we are not even Uruguay from 3-4 years ago, we are an aging Suárez-less Uruguay. :(
 
Ah, cheers. That's good to hear, that a player of the stature of Ghiggia wasn't disrespected due to some personal grudge. fecking FIFA, though.

As for the latter, I think it's really unfair to expect this Uruguay team to repeat the feat. As amazing a story that would be, you can't put that down as an expectation at the start. Agree about the Brazilians having the ghost of that game haunting them.
 
Thanks for the explanation @antohan, who would be the starting back 4 for you or the average football fan in Uruguay?

Who do you consider the guilty party (if there is any) when you mention the bench-warming talent problem? On one hand there's clubs like Chelsea buying 2 reserve squads full of talent and loaning them out/putting them on the bench, but on the other side of the argument there's the players themselves going from rather obscure/small teams instantly to the big guns ala Real, Juve, Milan etc. It seems to be a choice between money (big club) and playing time (smaller club) and while it may seem wisest for players to advance there carreer in decent size steps, would you be able to say no to the big money/clubs?

Sorry I didn't reply earlier, don't usually check alerts. The starters will be Maxi - Lugano - Godin - Caceres. I had hopes Gimenez would make it and he may be eased in over the tourno as Lugano gets suspennded for collecting multiple yellows when caught out.

The problem is the agents and investors part-owning the players. About 15 years ago there was a major financial crisis with clubs here and it's a league rule that you can't start the season with debts (or no foreseeable revenue to repay them, it's rather complex). Clubs had to raise cash in a hurry so agents and private investors advised by agents chipped in in exchange for owning the best youth prospects. Recoba for instance was part of a "bundle" of 5 players going for 1M USD.

Of coourse, the agents and investors got minted but the whole system got structurally undermined as with no fees from selling players they had to start selling their latest crop every year. Furthermore, as the club doesn't own the player they have no say on them staying or leaving, it's entirely up to the owners. This impacts sports results and associated revenues... It's fecked up, domestic football has turned into a short-termist shithole and you couldn't even argue players should stay until they develop because the standards are now abysmal.

I'm not sure but I think that trend started here, we were the test market. Argentina has fallen in the same trap, Brazil has a mixture of that and moneybags owners... It's a shame, South American football used to be pretty damn good but it bores me senseless now.

That's virtually the same squad they took to South Africa.

Indeed. There's criticism there hasn't been enough replacement of ageing players, but that was always going to be hard with the spine being the older players. In fairness, the oldest ones, bar Lugano, are not really starters any more but trusted backups.

The rationale for it is linked to the issue above. After 20 years of regularly missing on the World Cup, Tabárez was hired to "sort it out"and his -accurate- diagnostic was that the players didn't have a coherent style, much inactivity, played in random clubs, in random leagues, and it was impossible to build a team that could get results based on them meeting occasionally and trainign for a few days. He established the team had to have an identity, play one system and players should be drilled in that from an early age as even if they went abroad later they would have it hardwired in them and would make keeping that style and coherence sustainable. He also established various criteria in terms of discipline, ethics, team-orienntation, etc.

Every U-17, U-19 and U-20 side is coached on that basis. It means the pool of players is those who made it into those sides (rules out late developers for the most part), then some get injuries, others never reach their potential... and so the pool narrows down. Which is why you keep seeing the same names with very little renovation. Forlán and the rest of the Old Guard are the ones who were NT-worthy at the time. In faiirness, Suárez, Cavani and a few others are from the first wave of inductees and had only just broken through in 2010. There's a logic to it and as far as playign as a team is concerned, it works.

Frankly, with 3M people and the domestic league in the state it is in, I can't think of a better way to go about things.
 
Does anybody know how good that Gonzalez is? He is probably their best known midfielder, the rest of their midfield seems very average.

A classic product of Tabárez's process as described above. His a tactically valuable pplayer. Knows the system and has the tactical awareness and discipline to adapt his style to the different gameplans and roles he may be asked to assume. Some people like calling these players water-carriers, I don't. To me the water-carrier is tactically disciplined and hardworking (usually DM) but not someone whose football brain/intelligence is in any way developed to become a tactically valuable player. That's what he is, that's his role. He doesn't shine, but performs a role in keeping things ticking.

You have a similar situation with Stuani. Originally a striker (and a striker at club level), he is usually deployed as a right midfielder and alternates from RM to support striker as the side switches from 4-4-2 to 4-3-3 as and when the game requires it. Rings a bell? That's how Cavani was eased into the side in 2010, now he has graduated to striker. There's a method to the madness.