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Although Veron has played well in previous CL matches, last night he approached the game like a PL player.

Two great games, both alongside Phil Neville......

Has he found his best partner??? If Phil the catalyst for Seba's English career?
 
If Phil is to be the catalyst, at what expense, Keano? <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />
 
"If Phil is to be the catalyst, at what expense, Keano?"

Why not ? I always hear that nobody is bigger then the team. So based on current form there is no way that Phil should dropped for Keane.
 
Originally posted by becks75:
<strong>"If Phil is to be the catalyst, at what expense, Keano?"

Why not ? I always hear that nobody is bigger then the team. So based on current form there is no way that Phil should dropped for Keane.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Fully agree but I have little doubt that fergie will play Keano as soon as possible and most probably at Phil's expense. I think that would be wrong as you don't want to upset in anyway the current morale and spirit epitomised by people like Phil. Never thought I'd be saying that !
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keano is definitely the better player, but he always forgets that he is the defensive MF player & Seba is creative one...Philipe looked good in MF with Seba as he knows his responsibilities...that is to win ball & stop opponents!!!!
 
Originally posted by becks75:
"Why not ? I always hear that nobody is bigger then the team. So based on current form there is no way that Phil should dropped for Keane."

I agreed. Select the player based on their current form not becasue of the BIG NAME. We want a UNIED team not an individual player.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Although Veron has played well in previous CL matches, last night he approached the game like a PL player.

Two great games, both alongside Phil Neville......

Has he found his best partner??? If Phil the catalyst for Seba's English career?</strong><hr></blockquote>

How can you connect that together? He also played alongside Phil in the derby match yet they are a complete disaster.

I think either Veron learn that he cannot take his place for granted after watching we beat Newcastle and Liverpool without him, or he has learnt (or someone told him) the reason he has been unsuccessful so far in EPL during his break.

I still remember someone here urged that we should change our game to suit Veron. How rubbish is that idea! The fact has proved that, what we have been waiting for so long is Veron to change his game in order to suit us. The key to be successful in a league is to learn the playing style and requirement of that league, and Veron seems to start doing it.
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I cant believe some of you think that Keane whould wait until Phil has a drop in form. The last 2 games are the best I've ever seen from Phil but he is nowhere near Keano's level of consistency. What happens when we are a goal down and need a leader on the field? Giggs as captain wont provide that nor will Seba or Phil. I'm not knocking them, far from it, but having Keano back to firm up evem more the spine of the team is a must.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Although Veron has played well in previous CL matches, last night he approached the game like a PL player.

Two great games, both alongside Phil Neville......

Has he found his best partner??? If Phil the catalyst for Seba's English career?</strong><hr></blockquote>

i think Phil has done a great defensive job, which has given Veron the freedom to play.. however, i think Seba along with all the players have upped their game..after the city match.


I heard reports saying, that Seba feels apart of the united family...which is a good thing.. i think SAf has gave him alot of backing..even when others didn't...

I also hope, that IF becks gets back, he doesn't venture into the middle and cramp space for veron.... if that happens we'll be back to square one again, which is one if reasons why i like Ole on the right..he stays out, and rarely goes into centre...
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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I heard reports saying, that Seba feels apart of the united family...which is a good thing.. i think SAf has gave him alot of backing..even when others didn't...

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'apart' is very different from 'a part'. I believe the latter is what you meant. ;)
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Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>I also hope, that IF becks gets back, he doesn't venture into the middle and cramp space for veron.... if that happens we'll be back to square one again, which is one if reasons why i like Ole on the right..he stays out, and rarely goes into centre...</strong><hr></blockquote>Very true. If golden bollox insists in drifting into the middle, we'll lose the fluency in the right wing that we have got at the present. Unless Becks plays in the middle (at someone's expense) and Ole remains on the wing. Now that would be interesting too.
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Originally posted by MauritianRed:
<strong>Very true. If golden bollox insists in drifting into the middle, we'll lose the fluency in the right wing that we have got at the present. Unless Becks plays in the middle (at someone's expense) and Ole remains on the wing. Now that would be interesting too.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Very interesting indeed <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> :cool:
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i cant believe what i read here: Phil over Keano?

Not to knock Phil off, but remember Keano's presence in a united game is not only a technical, his leadership, attitude, desire to win and act upon as such..... is crucial.

As between Ole and Becks, i prefer to keep Ole on the right wing, but... i am glad i am not the gaffer who needs to make a choice! :)
 
Originally posted by redevil2:
<strong>i cant believe what i read here: Phil over Keano?

Not to knock Phil off, but remember Keano's presence in a united game is not only a technical, his leadership, attitude, desire to win and act upon as such..... is crucial.

As between Ole and Becks, i prefer to keep Ole on the right wing, but... i am glad i am not the gaffer who needs to make a choice! :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree....sell Beckham....he's past his best anyway !!
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Originally posted by Gillespie:
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I agree....sell Beckham....he's past his best anyway !!</strong><hr></blockquote>

agreeing with WHAT??? anyone here says, 'seel beckham, he's past his best anyway??' Can you read???????????????????????????????
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Originally posted by redevil2:
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agreeing with WHAT??? anyone here says, 'seel beckham, he's past his best anyway??' Can you read???????????????????????????????</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree OGS is better on the right.And,as George Best said,Beckham can't head the ball,he can't dribble,he can't beat people,he can't kick with his left foot but apart from that,he's ok. ;) So sell him now for pots of money and buy Lee Bowyer instead.
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"agree....sell Beckham....he's past his best anyway !! "

Just feck off arse(nal)hole !!!!
 
"i cant believe what i read here: Phil over Keano?
Not to knock Phil off, but remember Keano's presence in a united game is not only a technical, his leadership, attitude, desire to win and act upon as such..... is crucial. "

Great! Tell Phil you have been superb , but Keane is the better player so it doesn`t matter how well you play if he is fit your place is on the bench. That will really lift the teamspirit.

:rolleyes:

I would suggest to do the same with Wes and Ole because they also played very well, but everbody knows that Rio and Becks are normaly better players. :rolleyes:

Fact is: there is little doubt that Keane, Rio and Becks will get their places back in some time. But they have to fight for it and as long as the current team is winning there is no need for a change ! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
Originally posted by becks75:
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I would suggest to do the same with Wes and Ole because they also played very well, but everbody knows that Rio and Becks are normaly better players. :rolleyes:

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You sure about that?

Is David Beckham a better player than Ole Gunnar Solskjaer?

I'm a huge fan of Becks so don't get me wrong - but Ole can cross the ball as well as David, is faster than David, can win a ball better than David.

David is better at freekicks.

Interesting argument I'd say.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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You sure about that?

Is David Beckham a better player than Ole Gunnar Solskjaer?

I'm a huge fan of Becks so don't get me wrong - but Ole can cross the ball as well as David, is faster than David, can win a ball better than David.

David is better at freekicks.

Interesting argument I'd say.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not really. Solskjaer is a better forward than Beckham, Beckham is a better midfielder than Solskjaer, different players, but glad to have both.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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You sure about that?

Is David Beckham a better player than Ole Gunnar Solskjaer?

I'm a huge fan of Becks so don't get me wrong - but Ole can cross the ball as well as David, is faster than David, can win a ball better than David.

David is better at freekicks.

Interesting argument I'd say.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i think ole is as good at crosses but becks is better at long passes.. Ole's is faster and has much better acceleration , he's more agile and seems to attack the touchline better, maybe coz he can pass players, with his extra pace and agility?


very interesting arguement.. i have been pleasantly surprised with Ole's ability on the right.... i've always said we needed crosses from the touchline..and he's providing them.


I also, like the way, he stays out wide and doesn't clutter the centre, this has provided veron with enough space.......


I wouldn't put Rio or Becks back in the side TBH.

Play them in the cup and lets take it from there.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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i think ole is as good at crosses but becks is better at long passes.. Ole's is faster and has much better acceleration , he's more agile and seems to attack the touchline better, maybe coz he can pass players, with his extra pace and agility?


very interesting arguement.. i have been pleasantly surprised with Ole's ability on the right.... i've always said we needed crosses from the touchline..and he's providing them.


I also, like the way, he stays out wide and doesn't clutter the centre, this has provided veron with enough space.......


I wouldn't put Rio or Becks back in the side TBH.

Play them in the cup and lets take it from there.</strong><hr></blockquote>

agree!!
:)
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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i think ole is as good at crosses but becks is better at long passes.. Ole's is faster and has much better acceleration , he's more agile and seems to attack the touchline better, maybe coz he can pass players, with his extra pace and agility?


very interesting arguement.. i have been pleasantly surprised with Ole's ability on the right.... i've always said we needed crosses from the touchline..and he's providing them.


I also, like the way, he stays out wide and doesn't clutter the centre, this has provided veron with enough space.......</strong><hr></blockquote>

agree with all of this.

Originally posted by giggzy:
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I wouldn't put Rio or Becks back in the side TBH.

Play them in the cup and lets take it from there.</strong><hr></blockquote>

There's more of a case for Rio returning for Brown than Becks for Solskjaer. His aerial ability and forward runs would only add to the team imo.

Keane should return for Phil, perhaps in a changed role though, if Veron continues in this form.
Phil has performed heroically in Keane's absence but the return of our consistently best and most courageous player can also only add to the team.
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keano mentioned/hinted he would change his style of play when he returns and veron also mentioned he had changed his style to suit united, and that in italy everything was around him, he also mentioned he puts in the same amount for United as he does for argentina, the difference was that he was still adapting with us.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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You sure about that?

Is David Beckham a better player than Ole Gunnar Solskjaer?

I'm a huge fan of Becks so don't get me wrong - but Ole can cross the ball as well as David, is faster than David, can win a ball better than David.

David is better at freekicks.

Interesting argument I'd say.</strong><hr></blockquote>

A couple of games back, OGS flew down the right, brought down the high ball with his back to where it was coming from, beat his man and either scored or put in a cross that was scored from (refresh my memory someone). Thought I was watching Glenn Hoddle. Can't remmember seeing Becks do this. One of the things that struck me about this revival is the use of width, fast killer stuff down the wings. And OGS has done it better than Becks did. (Flame suit on).
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Originally posted by becks75:
<strong>"If Phil is to be the catalyst, at what expense, Keano?"

Why not ? I always hear that nobody is bigger then the team. So based on current form there is no way that Phil should dropped for Keane.</strong><hr></blockquote>

This is pretty stupid. Basically Phil is playing out of his skin and only approaching the level of Keano week in week out. Don't get me wrong I'm delighted with his performances and he's finally proved that he belongs in a Man Utd shirt but Keane has been the UK's best midfield player for the last 5 years and if fit he's a must for the team.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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i think ole is as good at crosses but becks is better at long passes.. Ole's is faster and has much better acceleration , he's more agile and seems to attack the touchline better, maybe coz he can pass players, with his extra pace and agility?

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Good comparison. But with our current front line, which is not very fast and not exceptionally good in the air, Beck's long passes seem not as effective as it had been. Watching our current performance, may be Ole's style (attack the touchline and cross the ball from there) is even more suitable for our game than Beckham? With a lone striker system we are playing, it is extremely difficult for Ruud to get hold of the ball if Beckham just keep kicking it forward from the midfield line. And also most of us agree he should not frenquently go inside to the centre to make a congestion there. So how will Beckham change his game in order to get back into the team may be an interesting thing to see.
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Originally posted by Rod:
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A couple of games back, OGS flew down the right, brought down the high ball with his back to where it was coming from, beat his man and either scored or put in a cross that was scored from (refresh my memory someone). Thought I was watching Glenn Hoddle. Can't remmember seeing Becks do this. One of the things that struck me about this revival is the use of width, fast killer stuff down the wings. And OGS has done it better than Becks did. (Flame suit on).</strong><hr></blockquote>

That was the goal he made up for Paul Scholes against Newcastle for the opener. Exquisite single time control and even better pull back for Scholes.
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Originally posted by Vinay:
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That was the goal he made up for Paul Scholes against Newcastle for the opener. Exquisite single time control and even better pull back for Scholes.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Defining moment that was. Start of the fightback.
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"This is pretty stupid. Basically Phil is playing out of his skin and only approaching the level of Keano week in week out. Don't get me wrong I'm delighted with his performances and he's finally proved that he belongs in a Man Utd shirt but Keane has been the UK's best midfield player for the last 5 years and if fit he's a must for the team."

Maybe this is pretty stupid too. I always thought that nobody is bigger then the team, that you don`t change a winning team and that you don`t take out players who are playing well. But you have just two different rules. One for all the players except keane and one for keane. Maybe Ole is also playing out of his skin too. He is 30 next spring and has as he said played many times for norway on the left or right wing. But nobody mentioned that he is worldclass in that position. And Becks has been the best right midfielder in the world together with Figo for the last 5 years. So I don`t see much difference.
I say let`s start With Phil and Ole as long as they are playing so well and the team is winning.
 
Originally posted by Rod:
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A couple of games back, OGS flew down the right, brought down the high ball with his back to where it was coming from, beat his man and either scored or put in a cross that was scored from (refresh my memory someone). Thought I was watching Glenn Hoddle. Can't remmember seeing Becks do this. One of the things that struck me about this revival is the use of width, fast killer stuff down the wings. And OGS has done it better than Becks did. (Flame suit on).</strong><hr></blockquote>

No need for a flame suit because you are simply stating what everyone can see for themselves.

Ole is highly effective in the "right side just behind RVN" role and, more importantly, the whole team looks comfortable with it.
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Originally posted by arnie sidebottom:
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No need for a flame suit because you are simply stating what everyone can see for themselves.

Ole is highly effective in the "right side just behind RVN" role and, more importantly, the whole team looks comfortable with it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Of course he will have a poor game like any other player. But generally we play better with Ole in the side, and Ruud certainly does.
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