United v West Ham Player Ratings

Neil Thomson

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RedCafe will soon be introducing a Player Ratings application, inspired by me and developed by Ryangiggsisno1, which will allow us to all enter our ratings, and then we'll be able to take averagaes, and run off reports of form. For the time being, post your ratings in these threads and when the application is up and running we can refer back to these and enter them later.

Barthez: 7 Only shot on goal to save was from Wes Brown!
G Neville: 8 Great crossing and robust defending
Brown: 7.5 Very solid again, relieved he didn't score another OG though!
Silvestre: 8 Snuffed out the threat of Defoe, forming a great partnership with Wes.
O'Shea: 8.5 MOM The new Ryan Giggs ;)
Ole: 7.5 Scored, but not as threatening as recently, but still a good display.
P Neville: 7 Quiet and hard working, kept possession well.
Veron: 8 Wonderful free kick, and was a true playmaker today.
Scholes: 8.5 Kept unlocking their defence again and again.
Giggs: 7.5 Linked up the play well, but didn't attack his full back.
Ruud: 7 Got chances, but didn't take them.
Beckham: 7.5 Did well when he came on, lots of effort and some good crosses.
Diego: 6 Just one missed shot, and gave the ball away dangerously once.
Blanc: 7 Didn't have much to do.
 
Bart - nothing to do, but did it well. 7 ;)

Gary - improving with every game, and 2 assists. 9
Wes - another solid game. 8

Silvestre - ditto. 8

O'Shea - some mazy runs and yet another decent performance. 8.5

Ole - exciting on the right, didnt want him subbed so early. 8

Scholes - Scholes. 8

Seba - great 1st half, quietened in the 2nd, but only because we let our foot off the pedal. Class goal. 9

Giggs - decent, but not spectacular. Story of his season. 7

Phil - proved last week wasnt a fluke. 8.5

Ruud - huffed and puffed but couldnt score. Missed 2 good chances, but contributed to the team. 8

Becks was decent, but Ole has to keep his place. Larry and Forlan were quiet but did their jobs, Diego looked good on the break.

Man on the match has to be Seba. :D
 
Looks interesting, just a few comments:

1) People still like discussing their views, I think you will still have a ratings thread running along with this poll-style rating thing.

2) You might want to limit voting access and establish rules if you want it to be fairly accurate.

3) You should put some sort of guideline as to the criteria for rating, I notice what people rate 5 here is considered 1 in Brazil.

My 2p
 
Barthez 8 cleaned up a few defensive stuffups
G Neville 7.5 got forward well
Brown 6.5 flustered at times
Silvestre 7 steady
O Shea 7.5 steady, attacked well
Giggs 7 showing some form
Veron 7.5 worked hard, great goal
P Neville 7 quiet game, tackled when necessary
OGS 7.5 !
Scholes 8 MOM
RVN 6.5 timing a little off
Beckham 6.5 all over the place to little effect
 
Originally posted by antohan:
<strong>Looks interesting, just a few comments:

1) People still like discussing their views, I think you will still have a ratings thread running along with this poll-style rating thing.

2) You might want to limit voting access and rules if you want it to be fairly accurate.

3) You should put some sort of guideline as to the criteria for rating, I notice what people rate 5 here is considered 1 in Brazil.

My 2p</strong><hr></blockquote>
Good points. It'll be by registration, and the details as to filtering out the WUM's has yet to be finalized, but we're aware that we need to avoid it. Guidelines on ratings is a good idea - generally people seem to rate 7 as good (premiership standard), 8 as excellent, 9 as MOM standard, and 10 as Scousebeating generosity.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong> generally people seem to rate 7 as good (premiership standard), 8 as excellent, 9 as MOM standard, and 10 as Scousebeating generosity.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, that's exactly my rating system. 6 is average, 5 is poor, and anything below 5 is very poor ;)

Here is my ratings:
Barthez 7: not many things to do, but his reflex is terrific in blocking Brown's header :)
Gary 8.5: very solid in defence and did a great job in attack.
Brown 8: Solid and stable
Micky 8: same as brown
O'Shea 8.5: his performance in going forward really surprise me. This guy just continues to get better and better in nearly every match!
Ole 7.5: has a goal but generally not as impressive as his last few matches.
Veron 8: brilliant free kick and work rate. Though he has slowed down and became careless in the 2nd half, it is acceptable and understable.
Phil Neville 7: keep his standard
Giggs 7: has some good moves, but generally he was outshone by O'shea today.
Scholes 7.5: Not playing in his best position has some negative effect on him.
Ruud 6.5: a bit disappointing in his finishing today.
Becks 7.5: run tirelessly everywhere and work very hard.
Blanc 7.5
Forlan 7
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Good points. It'll be by registration, and the details as to filtering out the WUM's has yet to be finalized, but we're aware that we need to avoid it. Guidelines on ratings is a good idea - generally people seem to rate 7 as good (premiership standard), 8 as excellent, 9 as MOM standard, and 10 as Scousebeating generosity.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not just WUMs but other issues like whether they watch the game or not to start with (e.g. I could only comment on CL games unfortunately). You might also want to require regular ratings to keep "voting status" otherwise you will get huge distortions.

Concerning your suggested rating scale, what is 1-5 for then?
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Scousers.</strong><hr></blockquote>

:o I forgot the rating scales have to bear in mind all sorts of possible levels of performance from different teams. Raising your game from 2 to 3 is quite a feat for some oversized donkeys. ;)
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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Ole 7.5: has a goal but generally not as impressive as his last few matches.
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He impressed George Graham.

O'Shea was man of the match (season) for me.
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My rate would be as follows

Barthez 7
Gary 8.5
Brown 8.5
Micky 8
O'Shea 8.5
Ole 7.5
Veron 8
Phil Neville 8
Giggs 7.5
Scholes 8
Ruud 7.5
Becks 7.5
Blanc 7
Forlan 7.5
 
Barthez - 8 Not much to do, but pulled off some (more) remarkable reaction saves
O'Shea - 8 Solid at the back, dangerous going forward
G Nev - 9 MoM in my opinion. A great game. Looked deadly going forward.
Brown - 8 Solid
Silvestre - 8 Played better than Brown, but there wasnt much in it. Very composed.
P Nev - 7 Did his job well enough. Couple of needless fouls given away
Veron - 8 World class free kick, another great performance with commitment to tackling. Bit sloppy towards the end
Giggs - 9 Best match in a while. Shame he doesnt have a decent right foot, he would be the most complete player in the world if he did
Scholes - 7 Not a great match, but solid nonetheless
Solskjaer - 7 Was lucky with his goal. Good performance, but bit quiet
v. Nistelrooy - 7 Bit of an off day, but at least he was in the position to get the chances.
 
Barthez: 7.5..did nowt wrong..and was alert when called upon...

G Neville: 8.5 great going forward, looked solid at the back..

Brown: 8 - Rio who?

Silvestre: 8 - continued to impress...

O'Shea: 8.5.. special mention - he's done so well on the left..

Ole: 8 - my first choice on the right...

P Neville: 7 - solid in midfield

Veron: 8.5 - great passing, worked hard..and what a free kick!!

Scholes: 8.5 another very good match, perhaps his best few months in a united shirt, he can play well off Ruud and in the centre mid.. a real gem.

Giggs: 7.5 made some good runs, another one who's upped his work rate.. but more importantly, is starting to take defenders on again,

Ruud: 7 missed great chances by his standard, played well tho, he had a major part in the first goal... overall he'll be disappointed that he didn't score.

Beckham: 7 linked up quite well... altho ventured into the centre, on many ocassions... lets see who SAF plays on the right... for me it has to be Ole, but Becks looked hungery, it has to be said.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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G Neville: 8.5 great going forward, looked sold at the back..

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:eek: Surely not!
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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surely not!! :eek:


<img src="graemlins/santa.gif" border="0" alt="[Santa]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

And Giggzy honours the age old tradition of a man never admitting to a mistake. ;)
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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And Giggzy honours the age old tradition of a man never admitting to a mistake. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

mistake? <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" />
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Barthez: 7. Didnt have to do alot but when he was called apon he delivered. nice one fab

G Neville: 7.5. Great defending, little scrappy at times but thats the way the game went, good crossing aswell.

Brown: 8.5. Close contender for MoM. everything that was thrown at him he got rid of, a few dodgey moments, maonly when he headed it at hi own goal <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> . But overall an excellent performance

Silvestre: 8.5. Another cracking game, snuffed defoe out, he really is a world class defender. brillaint

O'Shea: 7.5. Another point 5 rating. Great display, mazey runs and defended well when called apon aswell.

Ole: Good first goal, overall a sound performance. as usual, 8

P Neville: Not quite as good as last week but he did so many thankless tasks, got stuck in, nice one phil, 7.

Veron: 9.5. Man of the match in my opinion. Obviously a sweet sweet free-kick and his passing was great, there was magic every time he got the ball, suoerb.

Scholes: Didnt get alot of praise but i think he was superb, passin was good and creativity second to none. 7

Giggs: Against depor he was magic, again today i thought he was sound, good passing, ran with the ball and really showed his worth. Welsh Wizard gets a...8

Ruud: 5. Yes he linked play up well but i feel on his day he woulda had a hat-trick today, his passing was good but his finishing was dyer :( , i think we can forgive him ;)

Subs:

Beckham: Didnt impress me alot against deportivo, but then only got 10-15 minutes to be fair. But, did well today, got stuck in and his passing was good. Loose the mullet though, rod. 6.5

Diego: I actually think the lad did well considering how little time he got on the field, good shot on goal and all, passing was neat most of the time, gave the ball away a few times so ill rate him at...7

Blanc: i confess i was a bit nervous when he came on, but he did well, made a few good tackles and clearances. earns him a 7


there ya go :p
 
how the feck can u give ruud a 5 in a 3-0 win you nob

he set the 1st up with a great ball out to neville

he won the free kick for the second

and he was in the box causing trouble which made the og

he got into positions and missed a few for a change

not a fecking 5 imo

twat!

dont let him vote for fecks sake

:mad: :eek: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
Ruud might not be our best player consistently. But he's the one we would really miss if he - God forbid - was out for any length of time.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>inspired by me</strong><hr></blockquote>

kinell, you're a bit fabulous aintcha?
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Barthez 8 Not much to do, but there when needed
G Neville 8 MOM 2 assists !
Brown 8
Silvestre 7
O Shea 8
Giggs 7
Veron 8
P Neville 7
OGS 7
Scholes 7
RVN 7 Missed 3 great chances
Beckham 6 Nice to see him back

I had a wierd seat, right at pitch level near the corner flag of North and East stand. Good view for the first 2 goals.

Very strange getting in and out without having to hike up a zillion stairs

:D
 
All rate 10 because we won . see no pointin nitpicking (and its Christmas ) <img src="graemlins/santa.gif" border="0" alt="[Santa]" /> :p
 
what, giggs 9 MOM, best match in awhile. did we watch the same game. from tier2 east stand, he had a very quiet game. wouldn't stand on the wing for some reason, and give us some width - cf ole on right in first half.are giggs and JOS going to swap positions, with ryan at left-back (as per last 10 mins vs. deportivo) and john o' on left wing. certainly today, JOS showed all the ayyacking flair and tried to make things happen. giggsy was invisible after picking up his award for 500 games.
ratings :
bartez 8
g.neville 9
brown 8
silvestre 8
oshea 8
solskjaer 7
p.neville 7
scholes 8
veron 9 MOM
giggs 7
v.nistlerooy 8
 
Barthez: 8 - not called upon much, but, showed his capabilities
Gary N: 8.5 - strong going up, indeed; showed signs of being absent a few times in defense, but the defense never showed that it was a liability.
Wes Brown: 8 - Just his little blip takes a little shine off his performance, otherwise very solid.
Mikael Silvestre: 8.5 - Does everything in a no nonsense way and is taking care of business. My MOM
John O'Shea: 8.5 - What can we say of the boy? His demeanor going forward reminds of one player I held at heart - Lee Sharpe. Strong in whatever he does.
Ole: 7.5 - Quiet by his standards of late. Solid though in what he did.
Phil N: 7.5 - not as dominating as against Viera and Gilberto, but, quietly went about taking care of midfield and the back.
Veron: 8.5 - La Bruita coming good, for good...
Giggs: 8 - Quiet by his standards, but, showed was involved in some of the most sweeping moves.
Scholes: 8.5 - Always in the thick of things happening offensively.
RVN: 8 - Two chances missed, which he should not have missed. His build up play more than makes up for that.
Beckham: 7.5 - Still not there yet. Give him two or three more games to see at his real best.
Blanc: 8 - Solid when he came in. Shows ample class in the art of defending.
Forlan: 8.5 - Looked assured, composed and imaginative on the ball. I like this kid. Was always a threat going forward when he came on.
 
I was about to name Gaz Neville my MOTM, when I realised that O'Shea had an outstanding game too. So I was going to name them co-MOTM, when I remembered the lil' Ginger prince didn't put a foot wrong neither.... Feck it, it's too difficult to name a MOTM of this game. They were all very good.

Watching a game on TV is different from watching a game live in the sense that peeps watching on TV don't see players' movements. That's why I don't know what to make of Giggs, cauz from what I saw, he was excellent; however Lucius mentioned something about him not being mobile enough. (Neil - you can take this into account as well re: your rating project).
 
Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
<strong>how the feck can u give ruud a 5 in a 3-0 win you nob

he set the 1st up with a great ball out to neville

he won the free kick for the second

and he was in the box causing trouble which made the og

Yes and that's all he did. Frankly he was awful and missed three clear cut chances. Of course he's allowed to have an off day after all his expolits recently but thankfully it wasn't decisive. Anyone who's given him more than say 6 here couldn't have been watching the game.

he got into positions and missed a few for a change

not a fecking 5 imo

twat!

dont let him vote for fecks sake

:mad: :eek: :mad: :mad: :mad: </strong><hr></blockquote>
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oh my god

julian denny do u truly believe ruud was awful?

he had a hand in all three fecking goals and missed the target once on a dodgy pitch you truly are another knob

:rolleyes:
 
i thought he was decent, held the ball up well, had a hand in the first goal and was involved in the others.. he is very important coz he holds the up ball, so well... his movement is also excellent.. I remember watching him early last season and thinking that he's a good player..but lacks great movement... credit to him...he's got better and better in all departments, perhaps the most complete striker in europe.


He'll be gutted that he didn't finish them off...but atleast he was there to miss them.
 
Question for Giulio: How is the ratings app going to deal with the dozens of Abus and Wums who constantly roam this site but don't post. All they have to do is give everyone a 1 and suddenly it throws the whole thing off. There's no method to sort through users who are legit and those who want to skew the results.
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>Question for Giulio: How is the ratings app going to deal with the dozens of Abus and Wums who constantly roam this site but don't post. All they have to do is give everyone a 1 and suddenly it throws the whole thing off. There's no method to sort through users who are legit and those who want to skew the results.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I was thinking it would be via approved registration, bit like how you approve the registrations to the Cafe. Only those posting on here and we thereby know, should be allowed onto it, and the ratings could be reviewed and deleted if they're windups.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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I was thinking it would be via approved registration, bit like how you approve the registrations to the Cafe. Only those posting on here and we thereby know, should be allowed onto it, and the ratings could be reviewed and deleted if they're windups.</strong><hr></blockquote>

In that case why make the app public. Why not just invite a certain list of users to participate ??
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Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
<strong>oh my god

julian denny do u truly believe ruud was awful?

he had a hand in all three fecking goals and missed the target once on a dodgy pitch you truly are another knob

:rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Get this straight matey,I don't need to take any abuse from the likes of blinkered upstarts like you. Understand this - Ruud is a striker and in that role and by his own high standards he was awful yesterday. He didn't rate more than 6. Even 5 would be about right.
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Originally posted by Julian Denny:
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Get this straight matey,I don't need to take any abuse from the likes of blinkered upstarts like you. Understand this - Ruud is a striker and in that role and by his own high standards he was awful yesterday. He didn't rate more than 6. Even 5 would be about right.</strong><hr></blockquote>

why do u think having a hand in every goal in a 3-0 win rates a 5?
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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In that case why make the app public. Why not just invite a certain list of users to participate ??</strong><hr></blockquote>
Just more convenient to let them ask rather than second guess their desire to. It's down to RG and Wibble anyway what their policy will be - but making it totally public would feck up the ratings, so something has to be done.
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Originally posted by Fergiesarmy:
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why do u think having a hand in every goal in a 3-0 win rates a 5?</strong><hr></blockquote>

To say he had a hand in every goal is tenuous to say the least. Ok he passed to gary to centre for the first. To say he won the free kick for the second is somewhat generous. He completely missed his kick for the third which he should have automatically converted himself standing one yard from goal. He had three chances in all which he would normally have taken . He had an off day . To say he rated more than 6 is ridiculous in my view. Did you see the game by the way ?
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Originally posted by VanNistlerater:
<strong>i thought by ruuds standards it was a 5, on his day he woulda scored every one of those chances he had and you know it. Yes he played a part in the goals but he coulda had a hat-trick and you know it, but its only one game, im sure well all get over it, we won anyway</strong><hr></blockquote>

so if had took his 3 chances what would he have got then?
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