United, Sir Alex & Me - A new book from Rene Meulensteen

[Stobzilla]

I've always enjoyed Rene in interviews over the last couple of years and as someone doing their coaching badges, his book released with SoccerTutor.Com a couple years ago makes for really good reading.

Anyhoo, just as a bit of awareness, this new book is available from Tuesday 15th August and should be a similarly good read.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

It really is a shock that Bayern Munich, Real Madrid and Barcelona haven't all been falling over themselves to sign this chancer considering how he speaks about himself.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Looking forward to this.

 

[Adebisi's Hat]

It really is a shock that Bayern Munich, Real Madrid and Barcelona haven't all been falling over themselves to sign this chancer considering how he speaks about himself.

I must admit that this crossed my mind too for Coach Extraordinaire. I heard him on Talksport saying that he basically organised, coached an setup the team (also loved by the players) while SAF watched on from his office. Maybe true but he has done feck all since Utd and maybe is just a gobsh|£e.

 

[adexkola]

I must admit that this crossed my mind too for Coach Extraordinaire. I heard him on Talksport saying that he basically organised, coached an setup the team (also loved by the players) while SAF watched on from his office. Maybe true but he has done feck all since Utd and maybe is just a gobsh|£e.

Maybe he excels at strict coaching roles only and would need a DoF to handle administrative and transfer tasks?

And 'excels' is a stretch on my end, I think he was a competent and good coach for United but that's different than walking into a bad situation and doing a complete overhaul.

 

[The Cat]

He was on Talksport this week promoting the book. Said Maguire really needs to go

 

[Acquire Me]

He was on Talksport this week promoting the book. Said Maguire really needs to go

Well, he is not wrong.

 

[The Cat]

Well, he is not wrong.

He was on for 3 hours was a really good listen.

 

[united_99]

I must admit that this crossed my mind too for Coach Extraordinaire. I heard him on Talksport saying that he basically organised, coached an setup the team (also loved by the players) while SAF watched on from his office. Maybe true but he has done feck all since Utd and maybe is just a gobsh|£e.

Same before United. Amazing that such an extraordinary coach hasn’t achieved anything without SAF.

 

[Acquire Me]

Same before United. Amazing that such an extraordinary coach hasn’t achieved anything without SAF.

Some people are amazing working with others who know exactly how to use their skills and knowledge. SAF knows how to judge people and make them thrive.

 

[Adebisi's Hat]

Same before United. Amazing that such an extraordinary coach hasn’t achieved anything without SAF.

On rereading I think I was a bit harsh on Rene in my last post, he was an integral part of arguably Utds greatest team. But I just don't get how he did not turn up long term at another elite or even top flight club.

 

[SirMattlives]

I doubt Rene was a 'gobshite', I believe SAF knew what he was doing. That said, I'm not sure what to make of Phelan.

 

[noodlehair]

On rereading I think I was a bit harsh on Rene in my last post, he was an integral part of arguably Utds greatest team. But I just don't get how he did not turn up long term at another elite or even top flight club.

He didn't help himself when SAF retired talking obvious bollocks during the Moyes fallout, only to then take over at Fulham and get himself sacked after less than 20 games, due to being useless at getting results or producing any kind of football.

Most clubs are wary of hiring managers/staff who mouth off to the media and make the team lose all the time.

 

[Andersonson]

I doubt Rene was a 'gobshite', I believe SAF knew what he was doing. That said, I'm not sure what to make of Phelan.

So Ferguson didnt know what he was doing then?

 

[Chairman Steve]

I always thought Rene liked to embellish a little too much on his United involvement. He‘s not in the same league as Queiroz or McClaren for example.

 

[Caellum]

I think Rene was a great coach, as were Kidd, Queiroz and McClaren, but for me there is a huge difference between being a great coach and a great manager, some of the worlds best coaches in the world never made it as a manager often because they simply didn't have that ability to make the tough decisions, and sometimes the manager needs to be respected but to avoid being too close to the players, while a coach needs to be someone you can work with day in day out, training sessions need to be challenging but fun, the coaches excelled at ensuring that when the team went out to play they had the ability to perform.

I'm not sure i'd have wanted to be coached day in day out by Sir Alex, an I'm not sure the players would have responded to a daily hairdryer, but there has never been a better manager.

 

[Gavinb33]

I think Rene was a great coach, as were Kidd, Queiroz and McClaren, but for me there is a huge difference between being a great coach and a great manager, some of the worlds best coaches in the world never made it as a manager often because they simply didn't have that ability to make the tough decisions, and sometimes the manager needs to be respected but to avoid being too close to the players, while a coach needs to be someone you can work with day in day out, training sessions need to be challenging but fun, the coaches excelled at ensuring that when the team went out to play they had the ability to perform.

I'm not sure i'd have wanted to be coached day in day out by Sir Alex, an I'm not sure the players would have responded to a daily hairdryer, but there has never been a better manager.

I wouldn't group Mclaren in with them to be honest the man has won trophies at clubs as manager, maybe he wasn't the best but he achieved a lot as a manager more than a good deal of other rated coaches thats for sure

 

[Jordi Cruyff 99]

Impossible to know how good these coaches are. He does talk a big game. Michael Phelan didn't seem to have much of a positive impact and seemed to love the attention of being back in the fold.

 

[SirMattlives]

So Ferguson didnt know what he was doing then?

I know -- it's inconsistent on my part. Of course I believe SAF must have seen his value but Mikey's skills remain a mystery to me.

 

[Abraxas]

This fella talks a great game. Would have been an A* salesman if he didn't go into sport.

Fair enough he does have a great body of work as a coach and it is something to be proud of. Doesn't half rear his head to remind us about it!

 

[Ole'sattheWheel]

You know the book is completely void of any real material when he has to resort to namedropping SAF in the title of his autiobiography

 

[tenhagsimp]

I think Rene was a great coach, as were Kidd, Queiroz and McClaren, but for me there is a huge difference between being a great coach and a great manager, some of the worlds best coaches in the world never made it as a manager often because they simply didn't have that ability to make the tough decisions, and sometimes the manager needs to be respected but to avoid being too close to the players, while a coach needs to be someone you can work with day in day out, training sessions need to be challenging but fun, the coaches excelled at ensuring that when the team went out to play they had the ability to perform.

I'm not sure i'd have wanted to be coached day in day out by Sir Alex, an I'm not sure the players would have responded to a daily hairdryer, but there has never been a better manager.

This. Manager in football clubs is at its core similar as managerial position in other field. The manager might not be the smartest person in the room but he can MANAGE and utilize the strength of his subordinates to achieve the target. For example, being a very good and smart scientist doesnt make you be able to manage a pharma company. How to manage people is a really important skill especially in football. Of course Sir Alex has knowledge on tactics, formations, etc but he doesnt need to be the smartest one in the room when he can hire the smartest coaches and manage them according to his will. This is where Ole failed imo. He tried to emulate SAF method without being able to surround himself with smarter coaches and it turned out to be job for mates

 

[SinNombre]

I wouldn't group Mclaren in with them to be honest the man has won trophies at clubs as manager, maybe he wasn't the best but he achieved a lot as a manager more than a good deal of other rated coaches thats for sure

Or CQ. Queiroz is a good defensive coach and has proven that in all his managerial stints - it is just not a successful approach for teams and fanbases like RM or Portugal

 

[Tom Van Persie]