United Hour - Timo Werner is the answer! (Leicester draw)

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Nik(@Rood) and Colm(@Duafc) discuss United's disappointing home draw against a not that great Leicester City, They discuss striker-less formations, the benefits of playing Marcus Rashford, and wonder why aren't there any youth teamers on the bench?

They then go in-depth on Rangnick, covering his time at the club so far and what his future may (or may not) hold, before talking some transfers - as Colm tells you why you should want Timo Werner at Manchester United.





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Only realised today that Castbox had moved the pod and I had missed the last couple of episodes. And I can't lie fellas, I prefer the anguish of loss filled laments than the giddy yelps after wins.
 
Yorkeontop said:
Only realised today that Castbox had moved the pod and I had missed the last couple of episodes. And I can't lie fellas, I prefer the anguish of loss filled laments than the giddy yelps after wins.
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I actually use Castbox myself and hadnt noticed any change but as long as its sorted

and you are going to love the very depressing next episode which will be out in the next day or 2
 
Timo Werner is the answer is one way to make sure no one will listen to the podcast
 
Great episode, i really like Colm’s point of view. I am too sceptical about our club or maybe how it is ran right now.

One major complaint: one of you said „now, when Ed Woodward is gone….” the other of did not follow with a sigh of relief or „thank God” or „i hope this fecker never gets another job in football”.

Otherwise a very good episode.
 
The rescue attempt of the "PL proven" argument which @Duafc does is rather wrong:
First of all the counterexamples are misleading - if Pep only managed to win the PL in his second season and not his first, it is because another top manager -Conte- swooped in and won it, who also happened to have his first season in the league. Ancelott won the double in his first season. Mourinho won the league in his first season.
Secondly, it conflates the process of getting league experience (becoming "PL proven") with the process of building up a team, which also takes a while. Man United when Ferguson came in, Liverpool when Klopp came in, Arsenal when Wenger came in, City when Mancini came in too, were all not favourites to win in terms of team strength.
You are not seriously going to tell me that Wenger, Klopp, Ferguson first had to learn to adapt their football to how to, I don't know, beat West Brom Albion's hoofball and deal with wind, and not first had to build up a team to play their type of football according to their principles, football and principles who are clearly successful no matter what league they are performed in.

I said it in another thread, it took Klopp 10 seasons in the Bundesliga, including a relegation, before he could win the title, so what does that say? To put him not winning the PL in the first 3 seasons on his unfamiliarity with the league and not on the need to build up a team is somewhat grotesque.
 
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The rescue attempt of the "PL proven" argument which @Duafc does is rather wrong:
First of all the counterexamples are misleading - if Pep only managed to win the PL in his second season and not his first, it is because another top manager -Conte- swooped in and won it, who also happened to have his first season in the league. Ancelott won the double in his first season. Mourinho won the league in his first season.
Secondly, it conflates the process of getting league experience (becoming "PL proven") with the process of building up a team, which also takes a while. Man United when Ferguson came in, Liverpool when Klopp came in, Arsenal when Wenger came in, City when Mancini came in too, were all not favourites to win in terms of team strength.
You are not seriously going to tell me that Wenger, Klopp, Ferguson first had to learn to adapt their football to how to, I don't know, beat West Brom Albion's hoofball and deal with wind, and not first had to build up a team to play their type of football according to their principles, football and principles who are clearly successful no matter what league they are performed in.

I said it in another thread, it took Klopp 10 seasons in the Bundesliga, including a relegation, before he could win the title, so what does that say? To put him not winning the PL in the first 3 seasons on his unfamiliarity with the league and not on the need to build up a team is somewhat grotesque.
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Yep, I basically completely agree - probably poorly communicated on the pod. Building a team/philosohy/transfers are clearly much much more likely reasons for a short delay of success than simply getting to know the Pl and experience of those things unique to it.

My only point is that there is probably some tiny element of being experienced in a certain league as (barely) worth considering in close candidates - though not a positive by it’s mere fact! It isn’t totally unworthy of consideration that Poch has managed in the EPL at a kind of top team, as opposed to TenHag who hasn’t - that experience poch has in the league might turn you further to Ten Hag though!

Though again, as i’m sure I said - the candidates CV, philosophy, personality, plan for united, interview etc would all imo carry way way more weight - otherwise why not appoint Allardyce.
 
I really liked the episode, I fully agree with the point that was raised about playing a younger striker, be it McNeil, Hugil, or someone else, at least on the bench, instead of the usual names, that seem to get on there on autopilot.

There should be a reward for them playing and doing as well as they are.

They deserve to play in our first team, more than say Mata.

I just don't see the point in playing the same players, when either they are lacking in confidence seemingly (Rashford) or are out of form, just because there might be no one else in a senior place to replace them.

If we are to get any further benefits out of this season, then it might very well be from giving the younger players a chance to bed in early ahead of the new managers arrival in the summer.
 
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