UNITED GAMES WERE FIXED!

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From News of the World:

UNITED GAMES WERE FIXED!

I know because cheats begged me to help them

MANCHESTER UNITED matches were fixed — and their legendary manager Sir Matt Busby knew about it.

That's the explosive claim being made in a sensational new book which will send shockwaves through Old Trafford — and the whole of the soccer world.

Former United idol Harry Gregg has broken a 40-year silence to reveal that some of the biggest names in United's history were caught up in a complex web of lies and deceit.

And even the late, great, former manager Sir Matt was forced to take the knowledge of his team's illicit game-rigging to his grave.

Gregg, 69, has finally decided to come clean on the dark secret of United's past in an autobiography entitled Harry's Game.

Having survived the 1958 Munich air disaster which tragically killed eight of the ‘Busby Babes', Gregg went on to play alongside some of the club's most famous stars such as George Best, Bobby Charlton, Denis Law and Nobby Stiles.

But Gregg confesses: "Yes, match-fixing went on at the biggest club in the world — Manchester United."

Gregg says he is refusing to name names to prevent any hurt for the culprits families.

But he adds: "They know who they are and the shame will haunt them for the rest of their lives."

And he has also lifted the lid on the secret network which it took to fix not one — but THREE — matches on the same day to fill the coffers of United stars.

The former Northern Ireland star says: "There was a bet called fixed odds and if you got a trio of games called correctly you could pick up a fortune.

"Those involved at United used two players at another club so they could sway the outcome of two games on the same day.

"I'm still not sure if they had anyone else involved at the third match in the bet, but I suspect they did.

"It is an event in United's history which disgusts me because they should never have been allowed to tarnish such a great club.

"And what is all the more shameful is that Sir Matt found out."

Gregg has revealed that several United games were thrown during the 1963-64 season but he insists the corruption continued after he left the club in 1966. In his book, he declares: "I always considered it a privilege to be paid for playing football.

"But with that privilege comes a responsibility to the game.

"Call me an idealist but I believe that each and every player, coach and manager is duty bound to do their best.

"But sport, like most walks in life, is open to corruption. And the bigger the prize, the bigger the temptation.

"The biggest cheats are those who sell out their sport, those who let greed overcome integrity — and during my career I witnessed some despicable cheating.

"British football was shaken on the morning of April 12, 1963, when three Sheffield Wednesday players — Peter Swan, Tony Kay and David Layne — were exposed for match-fixing.

They had all conspired to throw a game against Ipswich Town in December the previous year.

"They would have all made a big wad of dirty money out of the result but, thankfully, they were all eventually convicted, banned and sent to prison.

"But people should know that this was not an isolated event — the same was going on at Manchester United.

"The truth is that games had been thrown long before the Sheffield Wednesday three were exposed — and the biggest club in the country, if not the world, was involved."

Gregg was signed by United from Doncaster in 1957 for £23,500 — a then world record fee for a goalkeeper.

Shortly afterwards he survived the horror of the Munich air disaster. Yet while Sir Matt frantically rebuilt the team, a sinister plot was being hatched in the dressing room.

Gregg recalls: "A goalkeeper is better placed than anyone to influence the result of a match. I suppose it was inevitable the men involved in match-rigging at Old Trafford would approach me.

"What I wasn't prepared for, though, was they would be some of my team-mates.

"I first became aware of what was going on when young Dubliner Joe Carolan came to me for advice. I was totally surprised when Joe, who was NOT involved, wanted a quiet chat. He asked me: ‘Have they been to see you yet?'

"I replied: ‘About what?' Then he told me how he had been offered the chance to earn some extra readies by fixing games and he didn't know what to do.

"I advised him: ‘Go deaf, son.' But then they approached me — and their recruitment drive wasn't too subtle, either.

"It took place in the treatment room at Old Trafford when two established players brought up the subject of match-fixing every time the physio popped out of the room.

"They casually mentioned that there was a few bob to be made.

"I told them that it was the second time I'd heard this mentioned and that if I ever heard it again I would be going straight to tell the boss.

"The two players then tried to pretend they had only been kidding.

"I later heard more details about what was going on and, if there had been any doubt in my mind, I was soon to be convinced.

"Eventually I felt I had no choice but to go and see Sir Matt about it. I knocked on his door — which was something we were never supposed to do because we were meant to ring first to see if it was all right to speak to him.

"When I went in he was sitting behind his desk. I told him I was never going to give him any names.

"He asked me what I was on about and I said: ‘I don't mind if I get lumps kicked out of me for telling you this, but I'm not sure who is playing for us or against us.'

"For a man who was never noted for his histrionics, his reaction was amazing and something I still remember clearly to this day.

"He started ranting and raving, saying over and over again: ‘I bloody knew.'

"Obviously I had confirmed what he already suspected.

"Can you imagine what was going through his head? Can you imagine how hurt his pride must have been? I felt so sorry for him.

"But there was nothing he could do. If he had blown the whistle, everything he had stood for, and the work he had put in to rebuild the club following the Munich air crash, would have been undone.

"His instinct would have been to expose them but he put the club first. Incontrovertible proof came in 1964 after a chat with one of those involved.

"He admitted he'd done it and named the others involved. I left United for Stoke in 1966 and I know that after my departure games were thrown."

Fans will be stunned to discover that despite the success the players achieved under Sir Matt, greed was still able to rear its ugly head within the confines of the Old Trafford dressing room.

At the time, Louis Edwards, the father of the present chairman Martin, was in charge.

Players' salaries were a pittance compared to the £100,000 a week picked up by David Beckham & Co.

But Gregg insists that was no excuse.

He fumes: "You play to win not to con the fans and pick up a few quid.

"OK, we weren't on big wages in those days but that was no excuse for what some of those players did.

"One even said to me over a game of snooker that we should put a bet on ourselves to lose a big match — just in case — to cover our match winning bonus.

"I wouldn't have any of that and I sometimes ask myself whether I should have exposed them all — but that has never been my style."
 
Yep, just read that on teletext and Fox Sports World.

<a href="http://foxsports.lycos.com/content/view?contentId=717712" target="_blank">http://foxsports.lycos.com/content/view?contentId=717712</a>
 
Originally posted by $ukhjit:
<strong>Yep, just read that on teletext and Fox Sports World.

<a href="http://foxsports.lycos.com/content/view?contentId=717712" target="_blank">http://foxsports.lycos.com/content/view?contentId=717712</a></strong><hr></blockquote>
Is he trying to sell a book ?
Anyone can say that games were fixed, but if he doesn't back up his claims with evidence, or name names , then we shouldn't take too much stock in it

<img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" />
 
Originally posted by spare ribs:
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Is he trying to sell a book ?
Anyone can say that games were fixed, but if he doesn't back up his claims with evidence, or name names , then we shouldn't take too much stock in it

<img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes.....

And I don't want to be cynical but Sir Matt has been dead for nearly ten years so he can't corroborate it can he?...

But there's no smoke without fire they say and I think that it may be true, and I say that with a heavy heart... :( ...
 
I've always regarded Harry as an honest and courageous man. However it's no good coming out with this sort of inuendo. He must give us the facts in full. Then again it's all a long time ago - does anyone care that much ?
 
Originally posted by Julian Denny:
<strong>I've always regarded Harry as an honest and courageous man. </strong><hr></blockquote>

He is. youll not meet a more honest man. If he said it went on, then it did. Obviously some of the players mentioned are still alive and he doesnt want to name them publicly as he could be open to legal suits etc
But like you say, its so long ago, no-one really will care that much apart from those directly involved.
 
This topic, should be closed down, its all in the past, lets look forward and not backwards, and for news like this, the less said the better..
 
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
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He is. youll not meet a more honest man. If he said it went on, then it did. Obviously some of the players mentioned are still alive and he doesnt want to name them publicly as he could be open to legal suits etc.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree. Not something that he would make up to sell a book. No matter how much we don't want it to be true.
 
Originally posted by TOD:
<strong>This topic, should be closed down, its all in the past, lets look forward and not backwards, and for news like this, the less said the better..</strong><hr></blockquote>

Bollocks. You would probably be the first to accuse scousers of having their head in the sand if they wanted to pretend such an event didn't happen. It is no reflection on United today so why not talk about it?
 
Originally posted by Wibble:
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Bollocks. You would probably be the first to accuse scousers of having their head in the sand if they wanted to pretend such an event didn't happen. It is no reflection on United today so why not talk about it?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree! We are talking about events of over 30 years ago, when, if tales are to be believed, it was not uncommon. Don't forget, several players were banned for life around this time, at least one of whom was an international. I am willing to bet that over the years, it has happenned at every club.
 
i see that Noel Cantwell who was captain at the time has come out and said he has no knowledge of it and that Harry Greg "was always a bit of a character"
fair enough Noel, you didnt know about it. doesnt mean it didnt happen. And just because Harry G was a character (arent all keepers?) doesnt make him a liar..
As has been said before, it was commonplace around those days, when there wasnt camera's in their faces 24/7 and press men following them everywhere.
 
Just because something illegal or criminal or plain wrong happened some decades ago doesn`t mean that it should be shoved away into a dark corner and everybody pretend it didn`t happen.

I think those who doubt Harry Gregg or question why he is coming out now and saying such things, should realise that some people have a conscience. Harry loved and still loves Manchester United and I would say that is his motivation - he obviously is still troubled by the injustice of it all.

When people ask what is his purpose they are missing the point - some people feel that they must tell the truth at some stage of their life over something they feel should have been exposed a long time ago. Nowadays the long arm of the law is everywhere, with people being taken to court or penalised in other ways for revealing truths that others are too afraid to corroborate or that others cannot because they are deceased.

Just because facts are not acknowledged does not mean they cease to exist. I believe Harry Gregg and I feel he has done this to relieve the burden of a long time. Good on you man.
 
it was tarnished before these guys came along.
wasnt it wing wizard Billy Meredith who was banned for match-fixing all those decades ago?
my point being, just as the Meredith incident meant nothing in the times of Gregg,Cantwell etc,
then the incident being talked about now should have no bearing on the present Manchester United.
 
Just remember that Harry Gregg was the player who risked his own life to pull injured people out of the Munich Plane.

The man doesnt appear like a bullshitter to me.
 
Originally posted by MancFanFromManc:
<strong>All United fans should be proud of our History. Things like this tarnish the memories.

I put it down to different times. Some players used to catch the bus to OT because wages were so poor. No excuse lets them off the hook, but its a different ball game (poor pun intended) today.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree. But these sort of events make United's history, whether they are events to be proud of, or not!
 
It's as much an inescapable fact as any, that allegations such as this will help sell your book, won't they? He's on safe ground as well isn't he. No names, no pack drill! Pinch of salt required, I think.
 
Originally posted by Rams:
<strong>nothing new, in the 60's it was common place at many big clubs......</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's pretty naive, isn't it?

Why do you think corruption excists anyway?

Because of the silly illusion or notion that so much bad happened wayyyy back when.

It still happens. Everything is just money.

Take a look out your window.
 
Match fixing was common in the 50's and 60's so no one should be suprised if it happened at United, chances are it happened at most clubs. Some of the players banned for life we at high profile clubs. I think Sheff Wed and Everton had players involved.

As for who knew about it, it's impossible to say and the newspapers trying to implicate the deceased is in very poor taste.

Match Fixing is hopefully a thing of the past and it is too long ago to really have any effect on todays game so it should be a part of British football that is laid to rest.
 
Great quote from Woodridge in todays Mail; "If Busby knew matches were fixed then Nelson died of Aids and Churchill was spanked in a brothel during the war"

Speaking as someone who knew Sir Matt well Woodridge states quite categorically that there's no way Busby would have kept quite had he known, his principles wouldnt have allowed it.

He makes the point that its easy for people who are trying to sell a book to speak ill of the dead because lawyers dont bother defending those who cant pay them!
 
Originally posted by Private PeeWee:
<strong>

That's pretty naive, isn't it?

Why do you think corruption excists anyway?

Because of the silly illusion or notion that so much bad happened wayyyy back when.

It still happens. Everything is just money.

Take a look out your window.</strong><hr></blockquote>

why is my remark naive???? Im just stating a fact!
You are right though, corruption still happens in football!
 
Harry Gregg should name the names or shut the feck up! I wouldn't buy a book from an amateur marketing ploy like this.
 
Some div;


Harry Gregg should name the names or shut the feck up! I wouldn't buy a book from an amateur marketing ploy like this.
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Read the book before u comment monger.
 
Read the book before u comment monger.

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Thats the point isn't it, pratt! are they named, if so, what are their comments? If you've read it, was it this marketing ploy that enticed you? If they've been named, name them on here, if not, piss off!