United defend Carrick price

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By Adam Marshall - Created on 2 Aug 2006

Manchester United have defended the decision to splash out £14 million on new signing Michael Carrick.

Tottenham have revealed that the fee could rise as high as £18.6 million if the player and his new club are successful, and many pundits and supporters feel it is an inflated price.

However, chief executive David Gill and manager Sir Alex Ferguson have explained the situation at a press conference, screened by Sky Sports News.

"Whichever regime you have, you like to do the best deal and have the best value for money," said Gill. "We wouldn't want our owners to feel we're more profligate than we were in the previous regime.

"£18.6 million has been bandied around, but that's the maximum we'll pay for Michael. In order to do that, we have to achieve success on the pitch, the aim is to do that. Michael also has to achieve success personally and we also believe he'll do that.

"The guarantee is £14 million and obviously we wouldn't have done it if we didn't believe it was appropriate. There's a bit of a premium on an English player. Manchester United have always had a nucleus of UK-based players, that was another attraction in Michael's situation, and we're very comfortable with it. I think he's a great player at a great price.

"Top talent in England is difficult to obtain. One factor, I think, is the fact that Uefa are changing the rules as well, whereby, over time, a homegrown talent quota has to be in the squad for European competitions. Our experience also is English players know what playing for Manchester United means. That's a key attraction for us, going forward."

Ferguson used the examples of paying top prices for the likes of Roy Keane and Gary Pallister to back up his argument.

"I think David made a valid point," supported Ferguson. "I think there's always a premium when Manchester United are in for a player anyway.

"It's one price for us and one price for others. I've experienced that since I came here.

"I felt it was an acceptable level we would go to. I think it's maybe two pence more than I would have paid but no more than that.

"It's almost exactly what David and I discussed we should go to, right at the beginning.

"There's always negotiations. We offer something, they ask for something. We offer something, they ask for something again. It's always the same in negotiations.

"Eventually, you get to the point where both sides will not be happy on either side but they shake hands, get on with it and that's what we got to.

"I think we paid the money for a maturing player. He's 25 years of age, a stage when every young player realises he's got a bit of authority in his game. He's got a good deal of experience, was in the West Ham team as a young lad. He's had two years at Tottenham and is now an international player who's played in the World Cup.

"We're paying the price for a player, at a mature age of 25, who will get better and hopefully have good years for us.

"What we're comfortable with, if we can get the right quality of home-based players, is they understand the club and the loyalty factor. It's much easier. There's less problems with them, I must say, over the years. It's not just problems with the player, just the whole thing of bringing foreign players into the country. It involves a lot of things - language, housing, looking after them.

"Some made the change with no problems but others found it difficult to change. English players have been good to us - Ireland as well. We've bought some really terrific players over the years who have done really well for us.

"David pointed out it's worth paying a bit extra if you need to. We did it with Pallister and Keane at the time. They were saying £2.3 million for Pallister and that we over-paid for Roy. Time proved alright.

"That'll be the case with Michael."
 
I'm shocked that they would defend the price they had to settle for, instead of just saying "Oh no we paid to much, but that's because we couldn't find anything cheaper" ;)

It feels so good to be posting in another Carrick thread.
 
this is the way to look at it.

1) £14million is a good price - possibly 2-3 million overpriced, but nonetheless not a bad price.

2) if we must stump up the "add ons" to take the fee to £18.6million - it will mean that carrick has been a success and we have won trophies - in which case who gives a fook about the fee.

The press are being unbelievably ABU this summer - carrick for £14million - and everyone has been chatting shite about how we're desperate (blah blah) - YET liverpool spent £8million! on pennant, arsenal spent £10million on hleb last summer - and i know which of the three i'd prefer.
 
bobbobray said:
this is the way to look at it.

1) £14million is a good price - possibly 2-3 million overpriced, but nonetheless not a bad price.

2) if we must stump up the "add ons" to take the fee to £18.6million - it will mean that carrick has been a success and we have won trophies - in which case who gives a fook about the fee.

The press are being unbelievably ABU this summer - carrick for £14million - and everyone has been chatting shite about how we're desperate (blah blah) - YET liverpool spent £8million! on pennant, arsenal spent £10million on hleb last summer - and i know which of the three i'd prefer.

Totally agree! Thumbs up to you!
 
bobbobray said:
this is the way to look at it.

1) £14million is a good price - possibly 2-3 million overpriced, but nonetheless not a bad price.

2) if we must stump up the "add ons" to take the fee to £18.6million - it will mean that carrick has been a success and we have won trophies - in which case who gives a fook about the fee.

The press are being unbelievably ABU this summer - carrick for £14million - and everyone has been chatting shite about how we're desperate (blah blah) - YET liverpool spent £8million! on pennant, arsenal spent £10million on hleb last summer - and i know which of the three i'd prefer.


Too fecking right
 
Top players or players who could turn into top players always cost a premium. In addition to Keane and Pallister, I also remember way back when at the time of Paul Ince's transfer when there was a general feeling that United got fleeced to the tune of £1.5 million from West Ham. Some fleecing that turned out to be.

As for Carrick, he is the type of player that has been missing since Becks and to a lesser extent Veron, left the club. A type whose main attribute has been the decisive through ball. This is a welcome addition to the United lineup since recently United's forays into attacking positions have been obtained by beating defenders off the dribble by Giggs, Rooney or Ronaldo. The decisive passing of Carrick could allow one of the above three to set up a scoring opportunity by beating only one or two defenders instead of three or more which was often the case before.
 
bobbobray said:
this is the way to look at it.

1) £14million is a good price - possibly 2-3 million overpriced, but nonetheless not a bad price.

2) if we must stump up the "add ons" to take the fee to £18.6million - it will mean that carrick has been a success and we have won trophies - in which case who gives a fook about the fee.

The press are being unbelievably ABU this summer - carrick for £14million - and everyone has been chatting shite about how we're desperate (blah blah) - YET liverpool spent £8million! on pennant, arsenal spent £10million on hleb last summer - and i know which of the three i'd prefer.
agreed
 
bobbobray said:
this is the way to look at it.

1) £14million is a good price - possibly 2-3 million overpriced, but nonetheless not a bad price.

2) if we must stump up the "add ons" to take the fee to £18.6million - it will mean that carrick has been a success and we have won trophies - in which case who gives a fook about the fee.

The press are being unbelievably ABU this summer - carrick for £14million - and everyone has been chatting shite about how we're desperate (blah blah) - YET liverpool spent £8million! on pennant, arsenal spent £10million on hleb last summer - and i know which of the three i'd prefer.

Completely right. I don't mind United paying the extra 4.6m because if they have to trophies have been won. Having to defend his signing is ridiculous and is caused by those within the media with the ABU mindset.
 
The fact that we have made a statement defending the price, says it all to me.
 
Spur would have sell Carrick to us for 12m if we are patient enough...but i wouldn't mind end up paying Carrick 18m if we are to win trophies and Carrick has been a success...
 
bobbobray said:
2) if we must stump up the "add ons" to take the fee to £18.6million - it will mean that carrick has been a success and we have won trophies - in which case who gives a fook about the fee.
I agree completely, however it does depend on how the add-one are structured imo, what is there exactly meant to be? I haven't seen that information yet.
 
All 3 United said:
Of course it is! And why do you think that is!! FFS :wenger:

Because twats like a good moan.

You would always find something to moan about.
 
We needed a midfielder.
We paid the fee his club wanted.
It's how transfers work.

If we hadn't signed him, you would've been moaning about how we didn't spend £15m on a midfielder wouldn't you?
 
All 3 United said:
So you think he is a bargain then?

Not at all. Nor did I think Stam, van Nistelrooy, Keano etc were bargains at the time we bought them.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Not at all. Nor did I think Stam, van Nistelrooy, Keano etc were bargains at the time we bought them.

I take your point, he may well prove to be a bargain but when the following signed you new immediately that they would be worth every prenny...

Alonso £10.5m
Carrick (to Spurs) £2.7
Parker £6.5m
To a lesser extent (as many had never heard of him) - Fabregas £0.5m
 
I was laughing when Villareal signed Forlan. I couldn't believe anybody would get out their wallet for him.

Wrong.
 
All 3 United said:
I take your point, he may well prove to be a bargain but when the following signed you new immediately that they would be worth every prenny...

I didn't, I had never heard of Stam, and he looked like Andy Ritchie

van Nistelrooy had been out of the game for 1 year, and had never played in a big league
 
Give him a chance! He was prolific for Crystal Palace - I'll be interested to see if he pulls it off again next season. At least he might get a chance for England now Eriksson's gone.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
:lol:

£10m for a 30-year. Seems fair to me.

RVN was no ordinary 30 year old! But I agree £10m is a decent price upon reflection but the Johnson deal does make it look worse. There again lets look at the sheva deal, unbelievable :lol:
 
All 3 United said:
RVN was no ordinary 30 year old! But I agree £10m is a decent price upon reflection but the Johnson deal does make it look worse. There again lets look at the sheva deal, unbelievable :lol:

Of course he is no ordinary 30-year old. But how many 30+ players have fetched more than £10m?

Schevchenko went to Chelsea - they don't play by normal rules.
 
All 3 United said:
RVN was no ordinary 30 year old! But I agree £10m is a decent price upon reflection but the Johnson deal does make it look worse. There again lets look at the sheva deal, unbelievable :lol:

You also have to factor in that despite SAF's noises to the contrary it was an open secret that he wanted rid of ruud which puts you in a weaker position. Milan and palace had the power, also it is chelski.
 
All 3 United said:
RVN was no ordinary 30 year old! But I agree £10m is a decent price upon reflection but the Johnson deal does make it look worse. There again lets look at the sheva deal, unbelievable :lol:

You could say that the Ruud deal made the Johnson one look terrible. :D
 
carrick is a 12 million pound player we paid 18 mill for.

if carrick was a striker/defender it would be a bad deal, but our central midfield is v v weak and 12 mill pounds of central midfield ability is IMO worth much more to us now than 18 mill pounds worth of defensive/forward ability when we're alot stronger in these departments even with ruud gone.

if i was fergie i'd rather pay 25 mill now for maschereno than torres-does that make me a bit daft
 
All 3 United said:
RVN was no ordinary 30 year old! But I agree £10m is a decent price upon reflection but the Johnson deal does make it look worse. There again lets look at the sheva deal, unbelievable :lol:

In Abramovich money, Sheva probably cost him 10 Pence.