Ultimate Club Legends Draft - R1 - Physio vs Ralaks

With players at their mentioned club peak, who would win?


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PHYSIO TACTICS -

Tactics – Mixed
Defensive Line – Balanced
Marking – Zonal

A pretty straight forward 4231. Zico has a free role to do whatever he wants. The wingers will get good support from the full-backs and my monstrous midfield can control the game.



Representative ages for my players -

Shearer – aged 25

Zico – aged 28

Maxi Rodriguez – aged 20

Nolberto Solano – aged 22

Jean Tigana – aged 27

Rodri – aged 27

Dede – aged 33

Thomas Berthold – aged 24

Luis Perea – aged 23

Cosmin Contra – aged 26

Sebastian Frey – aged 31

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RALAKS TACTICS -

Formation:

4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1 depending on how the match proceeds – Standard back four with Fullbacks pushing up and helping the midfield. Depending on the opposition, Zanetti will be allowed to venture further upwards and Criscito will cover as a central defender using his versatility. Strachan and Bremner makes up my double ginger pivot, both of them hard working brilliant Scottish box-2-box midfielders. In front of them Aboutrika who finishes off the midfield three playing somewhat of a trequarista role where he excels. Front three is made up of Jairzinho, Batistuta and Futre. Tricky wingers playing at their natural sides providing plenty of chances not only for themselves but also especially for Batistuta.

Players:

Michel Preud’homme – Mechelen – Aged 27-35 – Apps (Goals): 263 (0):

One of the top Belgian goalkeepers of all time, especially prominent during his time at Mechelen. Excellent shot-stopper.

Javier Zanetti – Banfield – Aged 20-22 – Apps (Goals): 66 (4)

Only two years at the start of his career, but performed well enough to get a call up to the NT following the 1994 World Cup and stayed a main feature since, also earning him a transfer to Inter. Obviously it is hard to rank him against top tier players, but watching this it’s pretty clear that he was already a decent right back, displaying the beginning of the traits that made him into one of the best right backs ever.

Karlheinz Forster – Stuttgart – Aged 19-30 – Apps (Goals): 311 (22):

One of the best defenders of the late 70ies going into the 80ies. Not the biggest honor list, not due to his ability, but more due to the dominance of HSV and Bayern in Germany around that time, however Stuttgart still managed to break that dominance once. When playing with better players at the national level, he won one Euros and finished second at two world cups, earning spots on the team of the tournament (in itself not relevant for this draft, but still shows indirectly his level in a stronger team, ignore if wanted).

Robreto Perfumo – Racing Club – Aged 20-28 – Apps (Goals): 207 (14):

Spent his best years at Racing Club, considered one of the best ever Argentine Defenders (even making the all time dream team as recent as 21) over players such as Ruggeri and Ayala. Of course take what you want from these Dream XI’s, but the fact that he is within the discussion shows his merit as one of the best ever Argentinian defenders.

Domenico Criscito – Zenit St. Petersburg – Aged 25-32 – Apps (Goals): 156 (15):

Versatile player, mainly as a left back but quite capable either pushing a bit up or alternatively pushing a bit into the defense. Spent his prime here at Zenit St. Petersburg, arguably as one of if not the best left back in the league. His defensive capability makes him great for drafts like this where tactical nous and positioning is a must against clever attackers trying to draw him or the central defenders out of position.

Gordon Strachan – Aberdeen – Aged 20-27 – Apps (Goals): 183 (55):

First member of my ginger central midfield. Energetic, hard worker who is also quite prolific averaging almost a goal every third game.

Billy Bremner – Leeds – Aged 18-34 – Apps (Goals): 587 (91):

Second member of the ginger midfield. Arguably Leeds best ever player, one of the midfield greats of his generation and the perfect fit for a double pivot due to his combination of ability on and off the ball & stamina.

Mohamed Aboutrika – Al Ahly – Aged 26-35 – Apps (Goals): 163 (77):

The Egyptian Zidane, more Zidane than Mohamed Zidan. Would likely be considered the best ever Egyptian player if not for Mo Salah. Never left Egypt except for a short-term loan at the end of his career. His recognition is arguably halted by this, and he would’ve been significantly more renowned if he had played at his prime in Europe, but that does not take away that he was a fantastic attacking midfielder, most notably in the late 00ies, where he managed to finish second in the African Footballer of the Year, which is unheard of for Africa based player.

Jairzinho – Botafogo – Aged 16-30 – Apps (Goals): 416 (186):

Legendary right winger, key player. Fast, tricky, great finisher. Arguably one of the best Brazilian right wingers of all time, only not renowned as the best because of Garrincha.

Gabriel Batistuta – Fiorentina – Aged 22-31 – Apps (Goals): 269 (168):

Legendary striker. One of the most complete and clinical forwards of his generation. His long stint at a sub-top club meant he did not win anywhere near the honors he deserves.

Paulo Future – Porto – Aged 18-21 – Apps (Goals): 81 (23):

Shot but powerful stint at FC Porto – winning the league twice and the European Cup against Bayern. Naturally left footed enables him to service Batistuta over a typical inside forward. Explosive, hardworking and technically brilliant.
 
My research when I was considering selecting Solano at Sporting Cristal suggested that he was mainly a LB/LWB while at that club. I was wondering if @Physiocrat had any evidence to the contrary.
 
My research when I was considering selecting Solano at Sporting Cristal suggested that he was mainly a LB/LWB while at that club. I was wondering if @Physiocrat had any evidence to the contrary.

Well this is what my friends at Deep Seek AI say -

Alan Shearer - Blackburn Rovers (1992–1996)

Alan Shearer became a legend at Blackburn Rovers, joining the club in 1992 for a then-British record transfer fee of £3.6 million. He formed a prolific partnership with Chris Sutton, known as the "SAS" (Shearer and Sutton), which propelled Blackburn to their first Premier League title in the 1994–95 season. Shearer was the league's top scorer in three consecutive seasons (1994–95, 1995–96) and scored 112 goals in 138 league appearances for the club. His time at Blackburn cemented his reputation as one of England's greatest strikers.


Zico - Flamengo (1971–1983, 1985–1989)

Zico, often called the "White Pelé," is Flamengo's greatest icon. He spent the majority of his career at the Brazilian club, leading them to unprecedented success. During his time at Flamengo, Zico won four Brazilian league titles (1980, 1982, 1983, 1987), the Copa Libertadores (1981), and the Intercontinental Cup (1981), where he starred in a 3-0 victory over Liverpool. Known for his incredible skill, free-kick ability, and vision, Zico scored over 500 goals for Flamengo and remains a symbol of the club's golden era.


Nolberto Solano - Sporting Cristal (1993–1997, 2009–2010, 2012)

Nolberto Solano began his career at Sporting Cristal in Peru, where he quickly established himself as one of the country's most talented wingers. He helped the club win the Peruvian Primera División in 1994, 1995, and 1996. Known for his crossing ability and set-piece expertise, Solano's performances at Sporting Cristal earned him a move to Europe, where he became a cult hero at Newcastle United. He returned to the club later in his career, showcasing his enduring quality.


Maxi Rodríguez - Newell's Old Boys (1999–2002, 2012–2017)

Maxi Rodríguez started his career at Newell's Old Boys in Argentina, making his debut in 1999. He quickly became a key player for the club, known for his versatility, work rate, and goal-scoring ability. After a successful spell in Europe, he returned to Newell's in 2012 and became a leader for the team, helping them finish as runners-up in the 2013 Torneo Final. Maxi is revered at Newell's for his loyalty and contributions to the club.


Jean Tigana - Bordeaux (1978–1989)

Jean Tigana was a central figure in Bordeaux's golden era during the 1980s. As part of the legendary "Magic Square" midfield (alongside Alain Giresse, Bernard Lacombe, and René Girard), Tigana helped Bordeaux win three French league titles (1984, 1985, 1987) and reach the European Cup semifinals in 1985. Known for his tireless running, technical ability, and tactical intelligence, Tigana is considered one of the greatest French midfielders of all time.


Rodri - Manchester City (2019–present)

Rodri joined Manchester City in 2019 for a club-record fee and has since become one of the best defensive midfielders in the world. He is known for his composure, passing range, and ability to control the tempo of games. Rodri has been instrumental in Manchester City's success, helping them win multiple Premier League titles, the UEFA Champions League (2023), and other domestic trophies. His winning goal in the 2023 Champions League final cemented his legacy at the club.


Dede - Eskişehirspor (2011–2013)

Dede, a Brazilian defender, joined Eskişehirspor in 2011 and quickly became a fan favorite due to his leadership and defensive prowess. He helped the club achieve a fourth-place finish in the Süper Lig during the 2011–12 season, their highest in decades. Dede's physicality and aerial ability made him a key player, and he remains fondly remembered by the club's supporters.


Thomas Berthold - Hellas Verona (1987–1989)

Thomas Berthold, a German World Cup winner, played for Hellas Verona in Serie A during the late 1980s. Known for his versatility and defensive solidity, Berthold was a key player for Verona, helping them maintain their status in Italy's top flight. His time at the club showcased his adaptability and experience at the highest level.


Luis Perea - Independiente Medellín (1999–2003)

Luis Perea began his career at Independiente Medellín in Colombia, where he established himself as a reliable and tenacious defender. His performances at the club earned him a move to Boca Juniors in Argentina, and later to Europe, where he enjoyed a successful career. Perea is remembered at Medellín for his defensive discipline and leadership.


Cosmin Contra - Alavés (1999–2001)

Cosmin Contra, a Romanian right-back, joined Alavés in 1999 and played a key role in the club's historic run to the 2001 UEFA Cup Final. Known for his attacking prowess and energy, Contra was a fan favorite during his time at the club. Although Alavés lost the final to Liverpool, Contra's contributions during that period remain iconic.


Sebastian Frey - Genoa (2011–2013)

Sebastian Frey, a French goalkeeper, joined Genoa in 2011 after a successful career in Serie A with clubs like Parma and Fiorentina. At Genoa, Frey brought experience and stability to the team's defense. Although his time at the club was relatively short, his professionalism and shot-stopping ability were highly valued.
 
The Shearer + Zico combo seems off in terms of style and synergy, would be good to get your thinking behind it @Physiocrat , would also prefer crossing type wingers with Shearer. Midfield is ace though.

@Ralaks pretty good team too. Not overly familiar with Strachan and Bremner so info on them would be good.
 
The Shearer + Zico combo seems off in terms of style and synergy, would be good to get your thinking behind it @Physiocrat , would also prefer crossing type wingers with Shearer. Midfield is ace though.

@Ralaks pretty good team too. Not overly familiar with Strachan and Bremner so info on them would be good.
Shearer was really mobile at Blackburn and Zico would love feeding him through balls. Also, Solano was certainly a crosser from the right so it makes good use of Shearer's aerial ability.
 
My research when I was considering selecting Solano at Sporting Cristal suggested that he was mainly a LB/LWB while at that club. I was wondering if @Physiocrat had any evidence to the contrary.


According to this vid he did seem to predominately play on the left but he also played on the right. Since Maxi could play either side it isn't a huge problem IMO.
 
grandpa dede vs toddler zanetti, what a battle :drool:
 
The Shearer + Zico combo seems off in terms of style and synergy, would be good to get your thinking behind it @Physiocrat , would also prefer crossing type wingers with Shearer. Midfield is ace though.

@Ralaks pretty good team too. Not overly familiar with Strachan and Bremner so info on them would be good.

Bremner was a (very) fiesty midfielder (Sunday Times described him as 10 st of barbed wire), but it would be a disservice to simply label him as a hard man, as he was quite adept at creating and scoring too. From what I have read he is kind of the archetype of the complete box-2-box midfielder of his time, but at that time the physicality allowed was also different which he also benefited from I think. Played in a midfield two with Giles at their peak with Leeds ultimately leading to several league wins and two European finals (including dispatching a Cruyff led Barcelona on the way to losing the European Cup), and was the heartbeat of the team. It is hard to find really good videos of him, but this one shows his fiestyness as well as some clips of his actual technical prowess (including a scissor kick goal against United). A quick thought of a modern somewhat comparable player woud be Valverde I think, but it's hard to compare across ages.

Strachan played a similar role for Aberdeen under Sir Alex where he played in a midfield two at the clubs greatest moment - beating Real Madrid in the ECWC. Similarly to Brember he was hard working, and creative, perhaps less aggressive, and more of a dribbler than Bremner. Loved to drive forward, but covered a lot of ground and contributed defensively as well. Maybe modern comparison could be someone like Barella..
 
grandpa dede vs toddler zanetti, what a battle :drool:

Hehe, I am happy I am not the only one who had to go that way. It'll be the battle of Jairzinho & Zanetti vs Maxi & Dede, where I think Jairzinho especially would come out on top.

In general I think am relevatively comfortable on the wings here, but midfield is a different battle. Great midfield three of Zico, Tigana & Rodri. Wish I could hype Aboutrika up to the level of any of the three, but it's hard when he never played outside of Egypt, Bremner and Strachan should at least have the guts to take up the battle together with him, but its a tough one!
 
Anyway - in general I like my team for this.

My biggest weak point is the full backs, but I'm quite comfortable that they can match up relatively easy against Maxi (aged 18-21 / 31-36) and Solano (aged 20-23), which means the rest of the team can fully focus on containing the dangeorus midfield trio and Shearer. Similarly Futre & Jairzinho will be happy to be facing Dede (aged 33-36) and Contra (aged 24-26), who is the only one of the four arguably in or close to their actual peak at the time of inclusion in the draft. Of course Futre is arguably also outside his peak, but nonetheless he won the European Cup as a starting (and starring) player at this window, so despite maybe peaking later, he was still great at this point.

Similarly a peak Batistuta would definately like going up against an inexperienced Luis Perea outside his peak (aged 20-24) and Berthold (aged 23-25), who doesn't seem that out and out impressive at that stage from what I read, but happily proved mistaken if I am. Comparably both of my defenders are arguably in their peak when picked, Förster (aged 19-28), who was favored over Berthold in the 86' WC final, whichs aligns with his time at Stuttgart & Perfumo (aged 20-28). Of course Shearer is fantastic, but he at least is up against two defenders who were among the best in the world at their peak.

The two midfield trios against each other will be a great battle admittedly, with Physio's three being at their best and also among the best in the world at the time. Hopefully the grit of my ginger pivot together with the creativity of Aboutrika can withstand their pressure and help me come out on top!
 
It is true that some of my players are outside their peak but key point is, if the Egyptian Zidane is stopped, there's little creativity on Ralaks side. And with Tigana and Rodri I do not see him having much influence. On the other hand Zico, is much better placed to have a good game here as well as being the best player on the pitch - some of the plays in the Flamengo vid above are amazing.
 
It is true that some of my players are outside their peak but key point is, if the Egyptian Zidane is stopped, there's little creativity on Ralaks side. And with Tigana and Rodri I do not see him having much influence. On the other hand Zico, is much better placed to have a good game here as well as being the best player on the pitch - some of the plays in the Flamengo vid above are amazing.
But even if you manage to hinder Aboutrika's influence, Bremner and Strachan are not creatively inept, perfectly capable of involving either winger, both of whom I think you'll struggle to contain, meaning your midfielders will have to put in significant extra work down there, leaving more room for Aboutrika and runs from Bremner & Strachan, which is one of their strengths.
 
But even if you manage to hinder Aboutrika's influence, Bremner and Strachan are not creatively inept, perfectly capable of involving either winger, both of whom I think you'll struggle to contain, meaning your midfielders will have to put in significant extra work down there, leaving more room for Aboutrika and runs from Bremner & Strachan, which is one of their strengths.
That's fair, Bremner and Strachan are decent creatively and they might be able to do something on the counter but it's clear Aboutrika is your main threat and I can see him well cared for here.

I reckon I will have the ball more than you but you will offer a decent threat on the counter, but Zico will make his more time on the ball count.