Ultimate Club Legends Draft - QF - Himannv vs Pythagoras

With players at their mentioned club peak, who would win?

  • Himannv

  • Pythagoras


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HIMANNV TACTICS -

Tactics:
  • Mid block
  • Deeper press
  • Counters and quick transitions
  • Can play buildup if the counter is not on.

Going to focus more on the players and their club stints as that seems more relevant to this kind of draft.

Kempes (Valencia)

Kempes played for Valencia on two different occasions. He featured for them from 1976–1981, which is right at his peak. He scored 125 goals in 187 appearances during this time and won the following individual accolades during this time:

  • FIFA World Cup Golden Boot: 1978
  • FIFA World Cup Golden Ball: 1978
  • FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 1978
  • Ballon d'Or: 1978
  • Onze d'Or: 1978
  • Olimpia de Plata: 1978
  • South American Footballer of the Year: 1978
  • UEFA Cup Winners' Cup top scorers: 1979–80

His second stint (1982-1984) wasn't too shabby either and he scored 21 goals from 42 games in the league.


Krankl (Rapid Wien)

Another player who had 2 stints at the chosen club. Krankl played for Rapid Wien from 1970–1978 and scored 185 goals in 252 games for them. He made his move to Barcelona in the middle of the year that he won the Ballon d'Or silver ball, the Onze d'Argent, the Pichichi Trophy, and the European Golden Shoe right at his peak. His second stint was from 1981 to 1986, where he was again in excellent goalscoring form, scoring 151 goals in 197 appearances. During the time playing for this club, he was easily a legend for them and for the league as a whole as well. He was:

  • Austrian Player of the Year: 1973, 1974, 1977, 1982, 1988
  • Austrian Bundesliga Top Goalscorer: 1973–74, 1976–77, 1977–78, 1982–83

Platini (Juventus)

Top tier player at his absolute peak with 3 Ballon d'Or wins on the trot, no need for any more to be said.


Keane (Nottingham Forest)

Keane played for Forest from 1990–1993 and became a full international during this time. By 1992, he was hot property and plenty of clubs were after him. It took a British record transfer fee for United to finally sign him.

Excellent b2b midfielder and heavily involved in the game even at the time. You'd be forgiven for thinking he was playing for United here:


He's another game of him from that time with more action through the middle and the left.




Cerezo (Atlético Mineiro)

Cerezo played for Atlético Mineiro from 1972–1983, a long stint. He became a full international during his time at the club and won the following awards while there:
  • Bola de Ouro: 1977, 1980
  • Bola de Prata: 1976, 1977, 1980
  • FIFA XI (Reserve): 1979[18]
  • World XI Soccer: 1983
He's obviously played in a similar system and position for Brazil and fits our tactics perfectly.


Tigana (Bordeux)

Tigana is at his absolute peak at Bordeux. He's obviously used to this kind of setup with Platini in there. During his time at Bordeux, he won the following accolades.
  • French Player of the Year: 1984
  • Onze d'Argent: 1984
  • Ballon d'Or runner-up: 1984
  • UEFA European Championship Team of the Tournament: 1984
  • UEFA European Championship top assist provider: 1984
  • World XI: 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987
  • Onze Mondial: 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987
  • FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 1986
  • Onze de Bronze: 1987


Dietz (Duisburg)

Bernard Dietz is a Duisburg legend and they even named the club's mascot after him. He played for them between 1970–1982. He is one of the highest scoring defenders in Bundesliga history and the 4th highest goal scorer for their club in the all time stakes. He played all of his International games (53) during his time at the club and won the following awards:

  • kicker Bundesliga Team of the Season: 1973–74, 1974–75, 1975–76, 1977–78, 1978–79, 1979–80
  • Onze Mondial: 1977



Moore (West Ham)

Ballon d'Or runner up while playing for the Hammers and their greatest ever player by a distance. Needs no introduction.


Boli (Auxerre)

Although he's well known for his time in Marseille because, y'know, he scored the most important goal in their history that won them the Champions League, Boli actually spent more time in Auxerre. From 1983–1990 to be precise. During this time he was a full international for France and won the Etoile d'Or, He's an absolute unit and an excellent physical defender.


Alves (Sevilla)

Dani Alves played for Sevilla from 2003–2008. During his time with the club, he won:

  • UEFA Cup Most Valuable Player: 2005–06
  • UEFA Team of the Year: 2007
  • ESM Team of the Year: 2006–07
Footage of him at Sevilla vs... well, who else:


Scored a goal and an assist to win the game 2-1, dealt with both Ronaldinho and Messi, got Giuly sent off, and was an absolute menace in both halves of the football pitch. No wonder they went on to sign him.


Higuita (Atlético Nacional)

Played for the side from 1986–1991 and later from 1993–1997, the majority of career and his peak years. During this time he was in the South American Team of the Year: 1989, 1990 and won numerous club accolades.
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PYTHAGORAS TACTICS -

Tactics

Influenced by Carlos Bilardo's 3-5-2 formation, utilised at the 1986 FIFA World Cup with Argentina - a highly organised and solid unit, possessing the creative genius and goalscoring threat in attack to win the game. Bilardo set up his team to alternate between a 4-4-2 diamond and asymmetrical 3-5-2 formation. Bilardo's wing-backs had different roles: the right-sided wingback was a midfielder shifted out wide, and tended to move infield more in possession. The left-sided wingback was a full-back pushed forward. Alan Ball and Rafael Gordillo will fulfil these roles perfectly.

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Both Seeler and Henry's ability to move wide or drop deep, creates space for each other and our midfielders to run into. Bochini is given positional freedom: our attack benefiting from his vision, passing range, dribbling and control of the game's tempo. Prohaska is a mobile playmaker, sharing the creativity burden in midfield with Bochini, able to drift wide and cross, or make intelligent runs forward.

Belodedici covers behind two stoppers, Vogts and Nesta. We maintain a compact defensive shape, knowing when to cover space and press without the ball. Our defence can push up when play progresses. Batista is the holding deep-lying playmaker, who protects the back three.


Player list

GK 1
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Oswaldo SÁNCHEZ (Guadalajara | 310 Apps)
CB 2
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Berti VOGTS (c) (Borussia Mönchengladbach | 526 Apps, 42 Goals)
SW 6
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Miodrag BELODEDICI (Steaua București | 235 Apps, 21 Goals)
CB 13
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Alessandro NESTA (Lazio | 261 Apps, 3 Goals)
RM 7
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Alan BALL (Everton | 254 Apps, 80 Goals)
DM 5
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Sergio BATISTA (Argentinos Juniors | 299 Apps, 25 Goals)
CM 8
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Herbert PROHASKA (Austria Vienna | 453 Apps, 97 Goals)
AM 10
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Ricardo BOCHINI (Independiente | 718 Apps, 109 Goals)
LM 3
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Rafael GORDILLO (Real Betis | 411 Apps, 41 Goals)
RF 9
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Uwe SEELER (Hamburg | 581 Apps, 496 Goals)
LF 14
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Thierry HENRY (Arsenal | 377 Apps 228 Goals, 93 Assists)
 
I would've preferred Nesta on the right and Vogts on the left. I always thought that Nesta favoured that right side while Vogts really played all over — including probably hundreds of games at left back (even though the most natural position that we associate him with is on the right).

Not a big thing though, just thinking out loud, they're perfectly fine to play where they are as it is.
 
how good were bochini and prohaska defensive wise? specially bochini who has a reputation of a classic n10
 
how good were bochini and prohaska defensive wise? specially bochini who has a reputation of a classic n10

This is based on very little as I've been dismal at actual research and watching matches lately, but Prohaska seemed an 8ish midfield playmaker who was industrious enough defensively. @harms might be the man to ask as I think he's watched some of his matches alongside Falcao at Roma. Bochini seems an odd fit. Never much concentrated on his defensive output, but he was almost the definition of a classic 10 and had no notable athletic traits - I'd be surprised if he was either expected to defend meaningfully or did so.

I don't usually like to coerce mains posters into posting in the draft forum by tagging them, but I'm making an exception for @Fobal , as he likely is more familiar than Bochini than any of us, and seems tailor-made for this sub-forum
 
This is based on very little as I've been dismal at actual research and watching matches lately, but Prohaska seemed an 8ish midfield playmaker who was industrious enough defensively. @harms might be the man to ask as I think he's watched some of his matches alongside Falcao at Roma. Bochini seems an odd fit. Never much concentrated on his defensive output, but he was almost the definition of a classic 10 and had no notable athletic traits - I'd be surprised if he was either expected to defend meaningfully or did so.

I don't usually like to coerce mains posters into posting in the draft forum by tagging them, but I'm making an exception for @Fobal , as he likely is more familiar than Bochini than any of us, and seems tailor-made for this sub-forum
Yeah, he was (Prohaska) pretty decent. Not too mobile but certainly physical enough. That Roma midfield was so weird... on paper it never should've worked but somehow it did.
 
how good were bochini and prohaska defensive wise? specially bochini who has a reputation of a classic n10

My memory from researching in previous drafts is that Bochini typically didn't do much defending but on the rare occasions that he did (such as the 1977 Ncional final against Talleres when they were reduced to 8 men after protests against a handball goal that put them 3-2 down on aggregate with about 15 minutes left before Bochini equalised to give Independiente the trophy on away goals) he was decent at it.
 
Any joke I make about him starting to work off the ball after the team is down to 8 men will plain and simple lead to losing votes but it's so hard to resist :lol: