Tudor?

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What are the chances of us getting Tudor?


Sir Alex Ferguson is preparing a 23 million euro offer for Juventus' Croatian defender Igor Tudor.
Tudor, currently out of action with an injury, has been a rock solid performer at Juventus in recent seasons and has proved his versatility with his performances in midfield earlier this season.

Despite the impressive offer, it appears Lippi is reluctant to lose a player he considers to be one of his most valuable assets. Ferguson is reportedly a big admirer of the tall defender who would provide the United defence strength and aerial dominance.
 
I don't believe any of this tripe though I wish it would've been true.

Tudor-Hofland would be my CB partnership of choice.
 
Originally posted by Roy:
<strong>I don't believe any of this tripe though I wish it would've been true.

Tudor-Hofland would be my CB partnership of choice.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No belief in Brown or O'Shea?

I rather buy only one established CB and give O'Shea or Brown the chance to establish them in a settled back four.
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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No belief in Brown or O'Shea?

I rather buy only one established CB and give O'Shea or Brown the chance to establish them in a settled back four.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't trust Wes at CB and never will. He's too frail and is too weak mentally.

He needs to get some rough treatment for him to understand that United are not a charity club and if he wants to be in the team he needs to do well.

He's not that young anymore and it's about time he produced the goods. He has a lot of talent, but sometimes that isn't enough.

I like O'shea but at the moment I'd like to have 2 big, experienced CBs at the heart of the defence. I feel that that's where all the problems are starting for us. The centre of defence is where it all begins and I want to have 2 rocks there. I think we've been experimenting for too long there.

I'd like to try Wes at RB cause I think he can do the job there and I think that having O'shea as first cover for the CBs for a couple of seasons will do him good.

Hofland, Tudor, Laursen, all players who I'd like to see at the centre of the defence for us.
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Originally posted by Roy:
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I don't trust Wes at CB and never will. He's too frail and is too weak mentally.

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Thats a bit strong, Roy.


Wes has the ability and the strength.. his problem is he's not assertive enough....
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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Originally posted by Roy:
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I don't trust Wes at CB and never will. He's too frail and is too weak mentally.

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Thats a bit strong, Roy.

Wes has the ability and the strength.. his problem is he's not assertive enough....[/QB]<hr></blockquote>

He can be barged off the ball way too easily.

And I don't think I've ever seen him keep his concentration up for the whole 90 mins. Maybe 4-5 times.

Wes is a talented defender. Poor ability mentally and shite coaching have so far hampered his career. I'm hoping he can bounce back.
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Originally posted by Roy:
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I don't trust Wes at CB and never will. He's too frail and is too weak mentally.

He needs to get some rough treatment for him to understand that United are not a charity club and if he wants to be in the team he needs to do well.

He's not that young anymore and it's about time he produced the goods. He has a lot of talent, but sometimes that isn't enough.

I like O'shea but at the moment I'd like to have 2 big, experienced CBs at the heart of the defence. I feel that that's where all the problems are starting for us. The centre of defence is where it all begins and I want to have 2 rocks there. I think we've been experimenting for too long there.

I'd like to try Wes at RB cause I think he can do the job there and I think that having O'shea as first cover for the CBs for a couple of seasons will do him good.

Hofland, Tudor, Laursen, all players who I'd like to see at the centre of the defence for us.</strong><hr></blockquote>


I agree with your comments. IMO Brown is one of the most natural and talented CB's in the game, but he's not the smartest of lads. My mate used to represent him, but dumped him the year he was out injured because he was pissing about too much and didn't put the effort in to get himself back fit. He could be a good RB, unless he doesn't do the same mistake as Gary Neville does when he plays there; drop down as a CB, like many natural CB's are guilty off when they play full backs.

Still, with a top quality CB (e.g. Tudor OR Hofland), I do not see the need of buying two when we have got Brown, Gary and O'Shea. That's three very capable players fighting for one spot. I rather use the money on one or two full backs and a striker.
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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I agree with your comments. IMO Brown is one of the most natural and talented CB's in the game, but he's not the smartest of lads. My mate used to represent him, but dumped him the year he was out injured because he was pissing about too much and didn't put the effort in to get himself back fit. He could be a good RB, unless he doesn't do the same mistake as Gary Neville does when he plays there; drop down as a CB, like many natural CB's are guilty off when they play full backs.

Still, with a top quality CB (e.g. Tudor OR Hofland), I do not see the need of buying two when we have got Brown, Gary and O'Shea. That's three very capable players fighting for one spot. I rather use the money on one or two full backs and a striker.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Maybe you're right. Gary hasn't done too badly at CB actually and it might be worth it letting him stay there.

One thing that does worry me greatly is our coaching. Especially defensive coaching (is there such a thing at United?!).

Over the last few years we've had some very good defensive prospects who had very good potential, Silvestre, Brown, the Nevs and they all seem to still have very big problems with regards to understanding the game and the way a defender should defend.

I can't help but feel that the coaching staff is to blame for this.
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Originally posted by Roy:
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Maybe you're right. Gary hasn't done too badly at CB actually and it might be worth it letting him stay there.

One thing that does worry me greatly is our coaching. Especially defensive coaching (is there such a thing at United?!).

Over the last few years we've had some very good defensive prospects who had very good potential, Silvestre, Brown, the Nevs and they all seem to still have very big problems with regards to understanding the game and the way a defender should defend.

I can't help but feel that the coaching staff is to blame for this.</strong><hr></blockquote>


You've got a good point there regarding the coaching, and this has been identified by Sir Alex and his staff. I understand that the Dutch fella who I can't remember the name of is supposed to do a lot of the defensive coaching.

However, I feel our defensive frailties is also down to a few other factors:

- Too much changing around at the back. we've not had a a set back four since 1997/98!

- Naive attacking approach which leaves the defense uncovered

- Lack of leader in the heart of the defense. This is to a certain extent in place when Gary plays there.

- Individual mistakes, which are caused by bad concentration, lack of confidence, misunderstanding and uncertainty
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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You've got a good point there regarding the coaching, and this has been identified by Sir Alex and his staff. I understand that the Dutch fella who I can't remember the name of is supposed to do a lot of the defensive coaching.

However, I feel our defensive frailties is also down to a few other factors:

- Too much changing around at the back. we've not had a a set back four since 1997/98!

- Naive attacking approach which leaves the defense uncovered

- Lack of leader in the heart of the defense. This is to a certain extent in place when Gary plays there.

- Individual mistakes, which are caused by bad concentration, lack of confidence, misunderstanding and uncertainty</strong><hr></blockquote>

agreed there.

Though from what I understand the Dutch coach Mulensteen (spelling's probably wrong) has been brought in to improve the players' personal technique and ball control. That's what the press said anyway.
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Originally posted by Roy:
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agreed there.

Though from what I understand the Dutch coach Mulensteen (spelling's probably wrong) has been brought in to improve the players' personal technique and ball control. That's what the press said anyway.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's what the paper said, but apparently he is responsible for organisation and formation.
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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That's what the paper said, but apparently he is responsible for organisation and formation.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Since when do the cloggies know anything about organisation and formation?!

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Tudor is a giant, and is good for a good couple of goals a year--which is something United have lacked from a defenseman recently. He is probably good for 5-7 a year, and that is quality. He is good in the air, and just an all-around physical presence. Top Defender, no doubt. Again, I would not like to see Hofland at United. He doesn't do it for me, and I would much rather see O'Shea there (hell, Ideally United could get Chivu or Mexes, but I think O'Shea is a better option than either Wes or Hofland).
 
007 says Tudor is crap. I wonder why. <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
 
Originally posted by Raoul:
<strong>007 says Tudor is crap. I wonder why. <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

In that case, United should just avoid him :) .
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hey, stay away from laursen...i've already floated the idea of liverpool signing him on koptalk, and it's just a matter of time before it reaches houllier.

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I'd love to see Tudor here, we could do with a good utility player, he can also play RB cant he? I also wanna see Mexes rathar than Hofland.

Brown could never play RB and should never play there again. He is just NO GOOD ON THE BALL. The Nevillies can get the ball and run at players because their pace and ball control is ok, but Brown may have the pace but he lacks the balance and control. Unlike the Nevs he couldnt even attempt it.

He would be useless at crossing and his link up play is also probably weak compared to most full backs.

Basically I dont believe he should even be considered as a RB.

I reckon he can still make it in the middle, he just needs to grow in stature, he has that knack of being in the right place. I think in a few years time he will have developed enough experience and all these own goals/mistakes will become great interceptions/blocks. He needs that extra yard in his head first though.

Did Wes get a few months on loan? O'Shea did and it helped him loads, it'd be a shame if Brown's missed out on that experience.
 
You've obviously forgotten how he did when he first came into the team, at right back. He was bloody brilliant. He could take the ball and charge down the pitch with it, in the same way silvestre can. I'm not sure why people think he's not strong, he is very large physically and tall. I suppose his problem has been that he's not aggressive enough, too cool and composed. But what a tackler! One of the most confident and assured tacklers in the box I've seen. I have faith that when he reaches his peak he'll be on of the world's best defenders.
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>I'd love to see Tudor here, we could do with a good utility player, he can also play RB cant he? I also wanna see Mexes rathar than Hofland.

Brown could never play RB and should never play there again. He is just NO GOOD ON THE BALL. The Nevillies can get the ball and run at players because their pace and ball control is ok, but Brown may have the pace but he lacks the balance and control. Unlike the Nevs he couldnt even attempt it.

He would be useless at crossing and his link up play is also probably weak compared to most full backs.

Basically I dont believe he should even be considered as a RB.

I reckon he can still make it in the middle, he just needs to grow in stature, he has that knack of being in the right place. I think in a few years time he will have developed enough experience and all these own goals/mistakes will become great interceptions/blocks. He needs that extra yard in his head first though.

Did Wes get a few months on loan? O'Shea did and it helped him loads, it'd be a shame if Brown's missed out on that experience.</strong><hr></blockquote>


where were you in the treble season?, Wes played at right back mostly in CL, and done briliantly against some good teams!!!!!!!!!111
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