Here we go with the Hawk Tuah analogies again...
Trent Alexander Arnold
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Watch the Martinez goal again, his defending is absolutely amateur. Gets skinned by Dalot, then when the ball comes to him he passes it straight to Martinez, then just watches Bruno dribble across the edge of the box, and misses Martinez's run. You'd think anyone after making the first two errors would be desperate to make up for them and he just watches us as though it's nothing to do with him, it's like he thinks defending is beneath him.
ffs.
I will happily call him a legend if he leaves. I don't think any player owes any club the entirety of their career. It's frustrating right now though that a player with such a high top level is also one the players with the lowest bottom level in the squad (darwin probably nails that one). Even if he had already signed the contract, I'd like to see Bradley start the next game. It was abysmal.
Which was?
I'm pissed off that the majority of coverage is on this clown after our great performance. The top teams under Fergie would have been happy with that performance at Anfield. Many of our players had brilliant games but all they want to talk about is this muppet.
"let their legs go somewhere else."
Paisley was notorious for always looking to sign improvements on current first teamers who had the slightest whiff of being close to passing their peak. He was ruthless in that sense. Few players were safe.
Genuinely don't think he'll be a hit a Madrid.
His defensive frailties have been known for a long time. He's going to have to learn from Carvajal, that whatever happens, just be cynical and target the player.
He just spams crosses and long balls into the channels. Madrid with Vinicius, Rodrygo, Mbappé, Bellingham etc on the pitch aren't going to packing the box looking for second balls and knock downs from this lads crosses.
He's going have to seriously up his overall game intelligence and quality on the ball if he goes there.
His defensive frailties have been known for a long time. He's going to have to learn from Carvajal, that whatever happens, just be cynical and target the player.
He just spams crosses and long balls into the channels. Madrid with Vinicius, Rodrygo, Mbappé, Bellingham etc on the pitch aren't going to packing the box looking for second balls and knock downs from this lads crosses.
He's going have to seriously up his overall game intelligence and quality on the ball if he goes there.
I agree with you but I think Spain is arguably not on par with the Premier League in terms of the level and intensity. He will struggle still because he’s a poor defender but he’ll probably get away with it more in that sense.
Probably would’ve buggered off Salah in the summer.
I honestly don’t get why more teams don’t just flood him with dribblers and balls in behind when he plays.
Konate and Van Dijk had their work cut out.
Konate and Van Dijk had their work cut out.
If he'd found a better player already, sure. He tended to sign first and then sell the other one.
I don't think they are a worse team with Bradley starting. Which is a real shame.
As a genuine question, what are his stats actually like from % perspective when it comes to crosses/assists?
I've always got the impression that he just fires a load in, and by law of averages with a heavily talented front line, some of them come off.
He's never struck me as someone actually able to pick out a pass.
I've always got the impression that he just fires a load in, and by law of averages with a heavily talented front line, some of them come off.
He's never struck me as someone actually able to pick out a pass.
100% my take too.
Would be interesting to see the stats of how many crosses every full back in the league puts in and percentage of actual successful ones.
Typical performance defensively tbh.
To be fair to Trent his crossing is decent and will create chances, his assist record is pretty good for a full back, he's hit double digit assists in most seasons. However, since he's playing deeper under Slot his productivity has dropped and imo it's not worth having a defensive liability unless you get some goal creation out of him.
This thread is giving 'de Bruyne tries a lot of difficult forward passes so naturally a few of them would come off'.
Yes and yes. It's just one game in the end
It was funny, every time Dalot beat him and crossed, VVD would shake his head in disgust
I mean it’s not just a bad game. It’s basically a whole game of idgaf against their biggest rivals at home.
What’s an example of this happening at Real?
I think it ranges from like 22-28% which is generally pretty good, but not the absolute top end. I do think most players cross (and often pass) into a predetermined area these days as well. For my money Andreas Pereira is probably the best around at doing that though and has been for a long time, but nobody is putting him in their world eleven.
Edit: Just had a look on squawka - Tranmere and Andreas have serendipitously both played exactly 102 crosses in the league this season. TAA is at 26.47%, Pereira 32.35%. I've given a link but I suspect you'll have to input the player names and competitions yourself. I can't do anything about assist numbers without an amount of effort I'm unwilling to provide, but if you'd like to do it yourself, you could use sofascore to look up the assist types of goals players have assisted in order to get a general idea. Add up the number of assist types deemed to be crosses, divide that into their total number and go from there. As I said, effort.
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It's the same as the teams who beat us in the weeks past yet all the focus was on Rashford.
The media loves English players first and foremost. The rest can wait.
MIlitao, from this season? Militao, from the 21/22 season? We madridistas collectively adored him anyways by the end of that season
Marcelo had a few. Sergio Ramos had a few. Di Maria once told the Bernabeu to suck his balls, by the end of that season(13/14) we were desperate for Florentino to keep him
He hasn't been as much of a liability this season. His overall defending has improved. Yesterday was an extreme example of what happens when he switches off. Positionally in those moments he's horrible.
He's still had a very good season.
@giorno err I mean he's crap, go buy Dalot or Porro. Much better players.
I don't think I've ever seen Van Dijk that angry with one of his team mates. You can forgive a player having a bad game if the effort is there (Robertson has had a few of those this season). Lack of effort (losing the ball then not bothering to get back) is unforgivable at that level.
I've just used that to compare him and Shaw 22/23, and their accuracy is very similar, TAA at 31.35%, Shaw at 29.21%. Difference was him attempting 252, resulting in 9 assists, and Shaw only 89, resulting in 2 assists.
He's clearly a good crosser, but the way he's talked about you'd think he was pinging pinpoint accurate balls in every single time, and not just playing law of averages with a set of world class attackers waiting on the other end.
He's a poor defender, but Liverpool will still miss him for his set piece delivery alone. It's a valuable weapon to have.
I think he will be majorly exposed at Madrid.
Normally that’s one of his strongest assets, but I think we’re one of the worst in the league for scoring from corners.
I’d also argue that for the most part this season, he’s defended well. He will guarantee at least two or three games like yesterday though, every season. A game where he’s dreadful and completely switches off from the game entirely. Those are the games he’s a complete liability in.
It doesn’t happen week in week out and he’s had a solid season so far.
He's been one of the 4/5 best attacking playmakers in the league. I'd say more than solid
Wish our attackers could play against him every week.
I suppose you do have to account for the fact that TAA will cross from basically anywhere because he is - unmistakably - very good at it. Shaw won't hit a moving ball into the box as soon as he enters the final third but Tran absolutely will. There's also the fact that he'll "cross" from the half space very often too, which I don't believe actually adds to the count, although I'm not certain of that.
He'll cross more than Shaw because it's a bigger part of his game. From the vague memory I have of that Luke Shaw fella we had, he tended towards getting to the byline and playing a higher percentage cross. Tranmere's cross completion would likely be significantly higher were he to do the same, but then he'd cross less, get fewer assists, and Gary Neville wouldn't go through half as many boxes of tissues.
That's just ignorant. When did Liverpool play with players "knocking down" his crosses. He's a very intelligent player and Vinicius, Rodrygo, Mbappé, Bellingham etc. will thrive with his delivery.
I also don't think he's a bad defender per say, just switches off. He's like a winger doing defensive duty in that sense, maybe needs added motivation to stay switched on.
Will be interesting to see how Madrid play next season. With Alonso most likely coming in, will he play 3atb there too? Trent as a RWB will definitely be fun to watch.
That's textbook bad defending.
It is, but it's situational. There are games were he will be calamitous, and others were he might even be good. Majority of the time he'll do just enough
Even in his best times, his defending isn't great - and definitely not top level/elite. He's been slightly more switched on this year, as Slot seems to require more focus and control from his players, but he's not great 1v1 and positionally he's below par. He's obviously not every week as bad as he was on Sunday, but he hasn't magically become a good defender, his strengths lie elsewhere. And putting it down to only "he can't be arsed" has strong vibes of Eden "I could be Ballon d'Or if I wanted" Hazard. He just doesn't have the basics of a strong defender, whichever way you look at it.
Oh, I agree with all of that. Merely pointing out that it's not nearly as bad as people make it out. He's been a key part of Liverpool teams with extraordinary defences, while carrying not insignificant defensive duties himself. So he's obviously not a true liability most of the time
Surely Pool are smart enough to take whatever money RM are dumb enough to give for him and run? Instead of letting him go for free