Part of that is due to how often both got attacked. Marcelo didn't have half as much defending to do, so his defensive weaknesses were not on display as often.
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Carragher has commented on this, not sure if it is still the case but he says that when he was there the local players were expected to essentially give the club a discount and take a smaller wage and supposedly the same was true of local Manchester lads under SAF. With the rise of agent power in recent years I don't know if this is still the case and certainly Marcus was not lowballed on his last United deal.
Yep idiots in both sets of fans.
The main similarity between Marcelo and Trent is neither being known for their defending and more for their creativity but their attacking styles are quite diferent.
Marcelo was a spectacular dribbler in tight spaces, as good as anyone who has ever played left-back there, wouldn't have been out of place on the wing or as a number 10, whereas Trent is pretty average at dribbling and in tight spaces, in fact part of the reason why everyone has been pushing him towards midfield but it hasn't worked when he was there. But give Trent space, which he generally gets at right-back and he has a much better passing range, not that Marcelo was bad at that, good too, but Trent is Beckham-like.
I know he isn't moving in Jan but it would be hilarious if he did and they ended up not winning the PL. All sorts of voodoo on Merseyside.
Which is true and also exactly what Real needs. Marcelo played alongside prime Kroos/Modric and didn't have to be a playmaker, Trent would need to fulfill that role. If he really is the right kind of playmaker is something I doubt, but I can see a certain logic behind all this.
Rare, but not unique. Carlos Alberto Torres was very much that, even if people largely remember him for that goal.
What is dead may never die, or something
Bowing is a bit strong, but he has grown on me in recent years, I reluctantly acknowledge his legend status
First, Lahm was one of the best attacking fullbacks in Europe. So Ofcourse he had to give a Marcelo serious problems. Utd not like you are talking a poor man's Wan Bissaka at giving him the run around.
Second Ramos hinself was often heavily involved in a lot of attacking himself. So I wouldn't class him as covering protection by any stretch of imagination. The covering protection was Casemiro alone. TAA in comparison had a cb regularly covering behind him, a functional midfield ahead of him and Salah protecting him. Yet still found ways to be costly defensively like in the UCL final vs Real Madrid
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Fair point
If there ever was a top full back who absolutely not just couldn't, but flat out wouldn't, defend, it was Marcelo. Where he would be strolling around while the opponent side was attacking his flank at times was outrageous. Casemiro mopped up for him.
This has to be satire. Lahm was never, in any way, shape or form, a particularly dangerous dribbler. He was a great passer, very intellingent in timing his runs, and he was ambidexterous with a good cross and shot off either foot, which made he could leverage into creating space for himself on 1vs1 situations. What I'm talking about isn't any of that. Marcelo could make Lahm look like Robben. It's particularly funny that you compare him to Wan Bissaka, a guy whose only good attacking skill is dribbling, of all things...
Before he reached his peak as an attacker, he'd lost his spot on our team to Fabio Coentrao because he couldn't defend. Both Mourinho AND Ancelotti saw his defensive shortcomings outweighting the attacking prowess. Only the combination of Coentrao's body breaking down permanently and the sale of Di Maria got him back into the starting XI, and then he made himself irreplaceable by effectively replacing Di Maria
Yeah, and our defence was worse than Liverpool's as a result. We got away with it because the sheer goalscoring prowess across that team meant conceding didn't really matter, we could always outscore anybody in any circumstance. TAA is no worse a defender than Marcelo was. This particular Madrid side puts significantly more emphasis on defence, and we do in fact have the players to cover for him. He's been sensational, one of Liverpool's 3-4 best and most important players while they were one of the best teams seen in the last 30 years across multiple seasons.
He's a really special player, fills a current hole on our team - a high level attacking playmaker that creates through his passing, instead of ball carrying - and if this team achieves the success its talent level deserves, with TAA playing at the level he has performed over the past 6 years, he will go down as one of, of not the, greatest right back of all time
You can't be serious. I talked of Lahm as an attacking fullback. You are literally the only person I've come across who thinks that "being a dangerous dribbler' is a neccesity to be an attacking for back. Not only was was so good at timing his runs and crossing. He did not need to be as prolific a dribbler as a Marcelo to cause damage. Becauss he could beat his Man, had the decent enough pace to get away from a marker and was two footed. He was definitely in the elite category of attacking fullbacks and Marcelo without help didn't have a prayer of dealing with him. This is literally common knowledge.
It is if ONLY if one took your straw man attack seriously. Believing I was every referencing dribbling instead of attacking quality whilst comparing the two players.
It is known Marcelo's attacking was always elite. Its defending that got so piss poor at one point his attacking game couldn't get him to play ahead of Conetrao, who was a proper defender and half as good at attackinh. You can also find articles on the net citing the significant defensive improvement Marcelo made from being a shambles before the 2014 world cup to a massive improvement by January 2015. To actual being ok at defending rather than a pure liability. That even Ancelotti pointed out.
STILL that NEVER made him any where near good enough to deal with a Lahm on his own. Far better defenders in all Europe could not neither. ....
Ive also NEVER seen Marcelo's defending cost Real Madrid in a UCL final. But Ive seen TAA's do it. Which sums up the contrast nicely for me.
Frankly if TAA was heading into the kinda set up Marcelo had to play in. He'd be wise to bother going there. But the current set up is going to be perfect for him. (Even for Davies too of they get him). They will have Militao, Rudiger & Alaba all who like to cover. Tchoumeni who is already learning how to be an extra cb. Plus the energy and defensive dillgence of one of Valverde, Bellingham or Camavinga ahead of them.
Still can't defend
The all-white kit is definitely distracting him…
Horrendous half. Probably his worst all season. Hope Madrid are watching.
Real should be wary. They will need to bring Konate with him to cover for him with one leg.
He's just not a good player.
I thought he's been great. More of the same please.
Liability.
I imagine he is signing that Madrid contract right now to avoid any changes
Enjoyed Roy Keane's Tranmere Rovers jibe, mostly because it left Sturridge speechless for the rest of the interval.
Dalot skinned him a few times today.
I like Dalot, but he's no Marcelo, and he had him on the ropes all game. You love to see it.
I like Dalot, but he's no Marcelo, and he had him on the ropes all game. You love to see it.
Trent, Forlan, Mata — rate your favourite Anfield performances.
He is a world class creator but genuinely shocking defender. Would not start him ever against top opposition in RB. Could still do lots as a winger or something.
Most of United’s threat came on his side. When he has a game like that, he’s a liability.
He's been much better this season defensively but there's no excuse for that performance, disgraceful.
The timing of it grates too with the Real Madrid talk.
The timing of it grates too with the Real Madrid talk.
Might be his last game, If I was FSG, I'd be texting Perez Felt like he was at 95%.
Haven't seen the "just go relentless at Trent, if it means he has a great game attacking so be it" tactic that obvious for a while. Still clearly works, even in Slots system 
Alexander-Arsehole. The myth, the man, the myth.
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I posted during that game that I can't wait for him, VVD and Salah to leave in the summer, but actually perhaps I don't mind if Trent stays putting out those performances on £300k per week.
He’s shit. Can’t wait till he fecks off to Madrid just so we can stop hearing about him.
More of this until February 3rd please 
Grim performance.
I don't watch him often but he was awful today.
I don't watch him often but he was awful today.
Always said it, defensively he is absolutely garbage. It’s his passing and deliveries that overshadow his defensive frailties that the media don’t want anybody to take notice of because he’s a Liverpool player.
Liverpool fans will be praying Real Madrid were watching this match.
Liverpool fans will be praying Real Madrid were watching this match.
Or maybe he’s just doing a Gallas.
Trent can’t defend
Thought Konate was really poor too. Van Dijk was a one-man's defence.
Absolute myth of a full back.
Spams 40 crosses in a game, a couple come off and people want to say he's the modern Beckham.
Lineker was at it on his podcast the other day, in fact even taking Trent's right foot for a world eleven!
Spams 40 crosses in a game, a couple come off and people want to say he's the modern Beckham.
Lineker was at it on his podcast the other day, in fact even taking Trent's right foot for a world eleven!