After the FA cup defeat, i think Utd should consider changing their transfer policy. Over the last couple of years, we have made big news of signing the most expensive players of world class quality. Yet we are not that much better off with them. Our first team is full of world class players who aren't performing to their best (for whatever reasons). Beside that, our latest crop of young players failed to shine like those of the Beckham's era. They are not accustomed to winning everything like it used to be. And in my opinion, once they reach the senior squad they don't give the senior players enough competition. I really wish we revamp our reserve with new talented young players rather than go out and buy big names again this summer. For 30-35 million, we can get at least 5-6 quality young players who can blend in to our system over the years and give the senior players some competition and support.
Transfer policy in summer : Young Talents vs Established Stars
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Originally posted by mamboza:
<strong>Beside that, our latest crop of young players failed to shine like those of the Beckham's era. They are not accustomed to winning everything like it used to be. And in my opinion, once they reach the senior squad they don't give the senior players enough competition. I really wish we revamp our reserve with new talented young players rather than go out and buy big names again this summer. For 30-35 million, we can get at least 5-6 quality young players who can blend in to our system over the years and give the senior players some competition and support.</strong><hr></blockquote>
So basically we panic buy a crop of promising young talent like Liverpool. Transfer policy needs to be balanced with scouts looking out for the younger prospects whilst also keeping an eye on the availability of big names who can make an instant impact and maintaining a youth policy attempting to nurture home grown talent.
United have always followed this combination, the only real change has been a dearth of bargain young players coming in since every team in the market immediately doubles the asking price when United enter the bidding. I know we look at the miraculous transition from youth team to first team of 6 or 7 of our current squad and ask why we can't repeat that but luck (in being thrust together at the same time) was as much a part of the class of 92 as was the team spirit and drive they imparted in each other. We have been blessed by two such teams in our history while other clubs dream of one or two gems from their academys.
We look to the bargain signings of Ole, Eric, Andrei and Pete and ask why we can't achieve those levels of signings these days even though we know in our hearts that the greed of other clubs chairmen will hike the price of any signing we try and make (a la Forlan). We bemoan the difficult transition of our record signings as if it is something new yet if you look back over the years, United have regularly broken the transfer record for virtually all the positions on the park and many of these record signings took their time to settle in.
We instantly think of the huge fees paid for Rio, Veron and RVN but United have a history of breaking the transfer record in all positions with Barthez being the most expensive keeper when he arrived, Stam and Pallister similar in defence. Keane, Cole, Ince, Robbo, Birtles, Wilkins, McQueen, Jordan, Law, Taylor etc all being record buys in their time.
I certainly wouldn't advocate a change to our policy at present, what it needs is patience and the shrewd judgement that Fergie has always possessed to keep the strongest available team at OT.
The players that command those big transfers are the rare ones that make the difference between the good teams and the great teams, hence the price. Trying to identify them early is an inexact science, and the competition for prospects is big.
I agree the youth system should be the 'bedrock', and it has been expanded; new coaches, facilities, club partnerships(Antwerp,Lisbon, Nantes, etc.). Certainly the aim would be to try to find the big talents younger at a smaller fee, integrate them into the club, and reduce the need to buy 20 and 30million pound players. But if the price of maintaining the clubs superiority is buying high end players and we can afford them, well we just have to bite the bullet.
I agree the youth system should be the 'bedrock', and it has been expanded; new coaches, facilities, club partnerships(Antwerp,Lisbon, Nantes, etc.). Certainly the aim would be to try to find the big talents younger at a smaller fee, integrate them into the club, and reduce the need to buy 20 and 30million pound players. But if the price of maintaining the clubs superiority is buying high end players and we can afford them, well we just have to bite the bullet.
The competition between the top clubs is fierce, there is no coasting along waiting for young prospects to develop; the youth system is a long term strategy.
Its unrealistic to expect the academy to manufature world class players like smarties, they are rare which is why big transfers happen.
Its unrealistic to expect the academy to manufature world class players like smarties, they are rare which is why big transfers happen.
But the thing that bothers me most is that our youth program is no longer superior to those of other clubs, especially in Europe. Teams like Ajax and Real keep on producing magnificent young players, or they just buy them young and improve the already talented. We haven't had any young players who could break into and hold regular places in the first team in the midfield or attacking positions since Butt, Scholes etc. And that is quite a while back. Also, since the treble, we have been buying the very best every year. The fact is, we aren't getting any better results. Not that I expect us to do it again. But I do feel that we aren't playing football as well as we used to the last 6-8 years or so. It's just my opinion that we may need some young fresh new faces rather than the high profile experienced players.
We should aim to get the following players into Old Trafford, IMHO, who will bring a blend of youth and experience
Ruben Baraja
Djibril Cisse, Sidney Govou, or Hasan Sas
Ricardo Quaresma
Maybe a right back, as I believe JOS is a better left back.
Ruben Baraja
Djibril Cisse, Sidney Govou, or Hasan Sas
Ricardo Quaresma
Maybe a right back, as I believe JOS is a better left back.
thing is roko i dont wanna end up like arsenal with a load of foriegners in the team
btw i think all these big buys we have made ruud has been an instant hit, veron is starting to prove his worth especially in europe which is why we bought him and rio will turn out to be a great
btw i think all these big buys we have made ruud has been an instant hit, veron is starting to prove his worth especially in europe which is why we bought him and rio will turn out to be a great
We should sell Beckham, Keane, Scholes, Ruud, O'Shea, Veron, Rio and Wes, and by Goater.
The team is strong and filled with great young talent that will soon make us proud. But I think we are a signing or two far from returning to our dominating self
What we need is
A good defender Stam's type that would seal our young solid defense. (Van Bruyten)
A young defensive midfielder to be moulded as the NEW Keane (Dioup)
And two forwards (a link man and a pure striker)
I would also involve good scarlets like Tierney and Djordic
What we need is
A good defender Stam's type that would seal our young solid defense. (Van Bruyten)
A young defensive midfielder to be moulded as the NEW Keane (Dioup)
And two forwards (a link man and a pure striker)
I would also involve good scarlets like Tierney and Djordic
I know no-one said anything about buying Jaap Stam, but a Jaap Stam type. But just for the record, Jaap Stam said that he doesn't want to return to Man United or any other English club.
The position of the Dutch clubs is very different from the situation of Man Utd but overhere only young players and very old players (with lots of experience) get transfers. The onces who are about 26/27, who should be at the top of their abilities, mostly loose their jobs coz no club can afford them...
The position of the Dutch clubs is very different from the situation of Man Utd but overhere only young players and very old players (with lots of experience) get transfers. The onces who are about 26/27, who should be at the top of their abilities, mostly loose their jobs coz no club can afford them...
Well, actually I think van Bommel could be worth the 20 million... Especially in a combination with Ruud...
What about Davids?
Originally posted by PSV Rulezzz:
<strong>Well, actually I think van Bommel could be worth the 20 million... Especially in a combination with Ruud...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well that makes sense since we bought Ruud for 18. That would make Van Bommel worth...
What a scary thread!
Veron is starting to shine. Does anyone really doubt Rio will become one of the best ?!? RVN's doing ok
We have a young defence in place now that could form our backbone for 10 years. It's looking pretty good now and will only get better.
Keane, Giggs and Ole will need replacing in the next few years, apart from that all we need to work on is blending everything together. People panic when we're not thrashing everyone 10-0, but with change (ie new formations etc) comes an amount of pain. Deal with it.
I'd hate to see what was posted on here if we ever went through the kind of slumps that the Poo are having!
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Veron is starting to shine. Does anyone really doubt Rio will become one of the best ?!? RVN's doing ok
We have a young defence in place now that could form our backbone for 10 years. It's looking pretty good now and will only get better.
Keane, Giggs and Ole will need replacing in the next few years, apart from that all we need to work on is blending everything together. People panic when we're not thrashing everyone 10-0, but with change (ie new formations etc) comes an amount of pain. Deal with it.
I'd hate to see what was posted on here if we ever went through the kind of slumps that the Poo are having!
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You need to bring in long-term replacements for Keane, Giggs etc. now, not in a few years. This is because they need to learn from their seniors, provide competition for places, keep the average age of the squad down and be good value for money.