Transfer gameplan

BigWillprunier

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I am 100% of the opinion that our activity in the transfer market this summer has all been as scripted as (insert soap opera here).
None of our dealings add up for me, let's start with Thiago, weeks and weeks of speculation and yet nothing official from the club, then just as it seems we might actually be close to signing him we get gazumped by Bayern Munich.

Then we move onto Fabregas and all of a sudden we are doing everything as transparant as I can ever remember us being, we are given an information overload from the club from start to finish, I don't remember us ever doing this before.
So if we are to believe we were in for Thiago, why the extreme change in policy in a matter of weeks if not days?

In both cases I believe the club knew we would not sign either player but to us at least it showed that they were 'trying'.

I know it sounds a little elaborate but I am of the opinion that the club wanted to spin us these stories this summer just to show us 'look we are backing Moyes and we are trying to sign big names just to prove how much so' therefore we should fall in line, ' well if the club are doing it then we have to as well'.

Lets be honest if we really wanted to make a statment of intent then why didn't we just go out and slap in a fee that was realistic.
If the money is there, why not test Madrid and put in a bid of 70-80 million for Ronnie?
I can see us ending up with one of the Everton targets and I think that has been the gameplan from the beginning.
Maybe I am just very cynical but none of it adds up for me.
 
You're right. I've always suspected united to be more an entertainment company rather than a football club. I mean look at what happened in 99 or 08 in the champions league. No way can those things just happen. There's a pattern and it ain't pretty.
 
I agree with your post mate, and I think it's something that deserves its own thread.
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:lol: my god.

this has to be a joke? What in gods name would the club get from publicly pursuing players they know they wouldn't get other than looking weak in the market and frustrating the fans. and they didn't just throw 70-80m at Ronaldo most probably because he's 27 and as of now not looking like leaving.

if you think the club put that much time into trying to make the likes of you feel better you are sorely mistaken.

did you stop and think for a second that you're acting like THIRTY MILLION POUNDS is an enormous sum of money and no business just fecks around with it.

grow up you child.
 
Strange OP. Surely we are in the best financial situation in years, a lot to do with success on the pitch, and all of sudden we've decided to NOT buy the best players?
 
BigWillprunier said:
I am 100% of the opinion that our activity in the transfer market this summer has all been as scripted as (insert soap opera here).
None of our dealings add up for me, let's start with Thiago, weeks and weeks of speculation and yet nothing official from the club, then just as it seems we might actually be close to signing him we get gazumped by Bayern Munich.

Then we move onto Fabregas and all of a sudden we are doing everything as transparant as I can ever remember us being, we are given an information overload from the club from start to finish, I don't remember us ever doing this before.
So if we are to believe we were in for Thiago, why the extreme change in policy in a matter of weeks if not days?

In both cases I believe the club knew we would not sign either player but to us at least it showed that they were 'trying'.

I know it sounds a little elaborate but I am of the opinion that the club wanted to spin us these stories this summer just to show us 'look we are backing Moyes and we are trying to sign big names just to prove how much so' therefore we should fall in line, ' well if the club are doing it then we have to as well'.

Lets be honest if we really wanted to make a statment of intent then why didn't we just go out and slap in a fee that was realistic.
If the money is there, why not test Madrid and put in a bid of 70-80 million for Ronnie?
I can see us ending up with one of the Everton targets and I think that has been the gameplan from the beginning.

Maybe I am just very cynical but none of it adds up for me.
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Good post.
 
Why has there been a sudden increase in "we're just making bids as a PR move" nonsense? This is the first transfer window I remember where literally everything we do gets dismissed as optics. As if failed bids for Thiago and Cesc would make us look good in any way.
 
BigWillprunier said:
Maybe I am just very cynical but none of it adds up for me.
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It doesn't add up that we're trying to sign one of the best midfielders around instead of someone average or decent, and it might be take a bit longer to get someone in of that quality? I mean Chelsea are struggling with Rooney...Madrid with Bale...Arsenal with Suarez. The fact is teams don't bend over in the first week of the summer when selling a player.

If anything it's worse that the club would print stuff about Fabregas and then sign Fellaini - it'd be stupidity on their part.
 
You say in the very same post that we're bidding on players only as a PR exercise and that nothing official came from us on the Thiago transfer, if you can't see the contradiction here you must be freaking mental.
 
So you made a long winded posted and a new thread on something that has been posted about a billion times before. Nice.
 
Ivor Ballokov said:
You say in the very same post that we're bidding on players only as a PR exercise and that nothing official came from us on the Thiago transfer, if you can't see the contradiction here you must be freaking mental.
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Was that the only part of his post that made you think so?
 
See you all on the 3rd of September.
 
You wanna know what I think? We arw bidding for players that would improve our team. We are the champions of England so there are very few players that woud improve us and they are difficult to get. Hopefully we sign a class cm and all these theories are put to bed. If we can't get a world class cm then I would rather go into the season with what we have rather than signing someone for the sake of it. People are acting as if our squad is shit and we will struggle to get into the Cl. It's frustrating I agree, but it's not the end of the world.
 
BigWillprunier said:
I am 100% of the opinion that our activity in the transfer market this summer has all been as scripted as (insert soap opera here).
None of our dealings add up for me, let's start with Thiago, weeks and weeks of speculation and yet nothing official from the club, then just as it seems we might actually be close to signing him we get gazumped by Bayern Munich.

Then we move onto Fabregas and all of a sudden we are doing everything as transparant as I can ever remember us being, we are given an information overload from the club from start to finish, I don't remember us ever doing this before.
So if we are to believe we were in for Thiago, why the extreme change in policy in a matter of weeks if not days?

In both cases I believe the club knew we would not sign either player but to us at least it showed that they were 'trying'.

I know it sounds a little elaborate but I am of the opinion that the club wanted to spin us these stories this summer just to show us 'look we are backing Moyes and we are trying to sign big names just to prove how much so' therefore we should fall in line, ' well if the club are doing it then we have to as well'.

Lets be honest if we really wanted to make a statment of intent then why didn't we just go out and slap in a fee that was realistic.
If the money is there, why not test Madrid and put in a bid of 70-80 million for Ronnie?
I can see us ending up with one of the Everton targets and I think that has been the gameplan from the beginning.
Maybe I am just very cynical but none of it adds up for me.
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Nicely paragraphed, except maybe at the end.
 
BigWillprunier said:
I am 100% of the opinion that our activity in the transfer market this summer has all been as scripted as (insert soap opera here).
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Presumably you've only just hit the 100% mark on this, hence the thread. Out of interest then, what was the final piece of the puzzle which fell into place and bumped you up to this level of certainty?

Ignore the rest of the tossers taking the piss. I'm fully behind, you, mate, I agree with everything you say and I just want to know a bit more about how you arrived at the conclusion personally...
 
ciderman9000000 said:
Presumably you've only just hit the 100% mark on this, hence the thread. Out of interest then, what was the final piece of the puzzle which fell into place and bumped you up to this level of certainty?

Ignore the rest of the tossers taking the piss. I'm fully behind, you, mate, I agree with everything you say and I just want to know a bit more about how you arrived at the conclusion personally...
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Late on the train as usual cider.
 
I assume this is a serious OP. Working off that assumption, let me reply as to why the OP thesis, that United have planted a smokescreen "that we were trying" to conceal another agenda in order to appease the masses, is absurd.

First, too much is risked by having the smokescreen exposed for it truly is. Second, we really do need a quality midfielder and for a variety of reasons Fabregas is a logical target. Third, there is nothing in United's or Moyesey's history to suggest that this is how we (or he) have ever operated.

In other words, there are no known facts to support this conspiracy theory.

True, we may not get Fabregas -- and it's always seemed unlikely to me -- but that doesn't mean the effort to do so wasn't genuine. Being the armchair club executive that I am, I would have put in a higher opening bid for Fabregas but that's easy for me to say from the comfort of my laptop and not owners to answer to. As for Ronaldo, we'll see all that goes. It seems unlikely that he'll come home (or that CR even views OT as "home"), especially now that Fergie is no longer manager, but it's not as though Moyesey has made public comments that we're all for Ronaldo, right?
 
BigWillprunier said:
I am 100% of the opinion that our activity in the transfer market this summer has all been as scripted as (insert soap opera here).
None of our dealings add up for me, let's start with Thiago, weeks and weeks of speculation and yet nothing official from the club, then just as it seems we might actually be close to signing him we get gazumped by Bayern Munich.

Then we move onto Fabregas and all of a sudden we are doing everything as transparant as I can ever remember us being, we are given an information overload from the club from start to finish, I don't remember us ever doing this before.
So if we are to believe we were in for Thiago, why the extreme change in policy in a matter of weeks if not days?

In both cases I believe the club knew we would not sign either player but to us at least it showed that they were 'trying'.

I know it sounds a little elaborate but I am of the opinion that the club wanted to spin us these stories this summer just to show us 'look we are backing Moyes and we are trying to sign big names just to prove how much so' therefore we should fall in line, ' well if the club are doing it then we have to as well'.

Lets be honest if we really wanted to make a statment of intent then why didn't we just go out and slap in a fee that was realistic.
If the money is there, why not test Madrid and put in a bid of 70-80 million for Ronnie?
I can see us ending up with one of the Everton targets and I think that has been the gameplan from the beginning.
Maybe I am just very cynical but none of it adds up for me.
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I disagree with the OP, a failed attempt to sign a top player never gets a good reaction from the fans, so there's no point really in faking an interest in any player.

Clubs tend to leak incorrect info about transfers to the press to keep the real targets unknown, but no club would go to the extent of bidding for a player to do that.
 
The Neviller said:
Oh, a transfer thread.

Look, there's a circle. Let's all go round and round in it.
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It's the thread-making. The endless fecking thread-making. There are so many existing threads to post this ridiculous opinion in.

EDIT: Screw it, I'm 'self control'ing myself off the Caf for a few days. I can't take the crazy any more. The transfer threads, the threads about the transfer threads, the Rooney thread (which is always a conspiracy theory car-crash but is worse than I can ever remember it right now). It's just not worth picking through all this crap.
 
Totally the opposite. I think we are now actively pursuing difficult, elite level targets, although in a slightly disconcerting way. Trouble is we are not having much success.
 
Woodward and co have made an absolute bollocks of it so far this summer.

Conspiracy? Not so sure about that but it the way we have approached matters looks borderline ridiculous for United.
 
So in short, you think we are going for Baines Fellaini or Osman, and this public bidding for Fabregas is all part of a massive dick-swinging showcase from us? Ok chappy
 
Like I've said before I don't really buy all of the smokescreen stuff that some seem to believe in. Not only do clubs hardly ever do it, but it doesn't make sense for us to potentially to for targets who'd be perfect for us without at least having some intent. Moyes may have not been incredibly confident that we were going to get Thiago or Fabregas, but that doesn't mean he wasn't seriously trying to get either of them.

Some say that going for major signings is a mark of ambition, even if you fail. Even if you believe it, the positives of that are arguably outweighed by the fact that if you're only bidding for ambition then when you inevitably fail you're only going to frustrate hopeful fans.
 
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