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becks75

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Carroll 7
Blanc 6
O`Shea 7
Silvestre 5
P. Neville 6
Butt 6
Veron 6
Keane 7
Giggs 5
Scholes 7
Beckham 7
Forlan 6
RVN 6
OGS 8 MOM

Comments ?
 
O'Shea deserves an 8.
 
How can you say Ole was MOM ? He may have got the goal, but OShea and Roy were better.

Carroll: 6. Had a few hairy moments - almost gave a ball straight to a WBA Striker <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> - but other than that, good.
Phil: 7. Got forward well. Dependable.
Mick: 6. Nothing special. Helped support the attack at times but didnt press forward.
Larry: 6.5. Loved his little trick to leave a Defender confused. Another good game.
OShea: 7.5. Superb. Best defender of the day. Looks a bit special.
Becks: 6. Must do better imo.
Giggs: 6. Made a few good runs, otherwise see Becks.
Veron: 7. Made a good contribution.
Butt: 7. Allowed Keane to get forward. Soldiered along even after getting hurt.
Keane: 8. Was impressed with him. Was great seeing him get forward. You could tell he loved having Nicky there with him.
Ruud: 6. Didnt do much. Looked sluggish but once he gets game should do fine.
 
I find it a bit worrying that people are saying Ruud looks sluggish at the beginning of the season, especially considering he didn't go to the World Cup.

Future team:

Carroll/Barthez
G. Neville
O'Shea/Blanc
Ferdinand
Silvestre
Becks
Keane
Butt
Giggs/Forlan
Ruud
Ole

That imo is the best team we have, but I hate leaving Scholes out.
 
OGS always looked dangerous as he came on. So I think his substitution made the difference.
But O´Shea or Chalfarrol were also good.
I don`t understand some of your ratings too.
Giggs had an awful, hardly touched the ball in the first. We almost created nothing from the left wing. Beckham wasn`t brilliant and of course he can do better. But he hit some superb crosses and had 3 shoots from open play on target. Most of our attacks came from the right wing.If I take your ratings he was together with some others our worst player today, how does that work with him involved in most of our chances? I can`t understand how you can give Giggs and becks the same rating today :confused: :confused: Did you really watch the game ?
Veron tried a lot in the first half (positive, he showed some attitude) but he always overhit his long passes and as a result his game stats weren`t really impressive ( 0 shoots o assists for shoots, let alone a goal) SAF thought so too and substituted him (I don`t think he was injured)
Butt didn`t play badly but he didn`t anything special (some players don`t have to do much to get good ratings here)
Silvestre was so terrible ( bad passing, terrible touch) today I really thought about giving him a 4 something I never do. A 6 is complete joke.
 
Oh already some replys. My comments were of course for gazza.
 
I did watch the game. Dont call my ratings a joke just cos you dont agree with them. Saying that, a 6 on Beckham is a bit harsh, he may deserve a 7 but I just feel he can offer so much more. 3 or 4 times he had an opportunity to cross and his final ball was lacking.
 
So sorry then. I didn´t want to get personel. But I still can`t understand how you can give silvestre a 6. I also think there are some players who have to to do much more to get the same rating in this forum (it is not just you)as other players.
 
The whole team was not better than average. We won only 1-0 against a 10 man West Brom.

quote "i think it'll take him a couple of months to fully recover."

I think so too, but he was still
involved in most chances. Sadly I wish some players would play average at time (Giggs ; I don`t know what is going on with him at the moment.He is only a shadow of himself)
 
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>How can you say Ole was MOM ? He may have got the goal, but OShea and Roy were better.
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Yes, how can you say that?
Because Ole got the goal?
Because when he got the ball near goal, you knew he'd score and you were so happy the chance fell to him, not one of the others?
Because you felt that the rest of our millionaire superstars could have played all night without scoring?
Because apart from Ole we've played 180 competitive minutes, against a team that nobody in Hungary's even heard of and against the premiership's relegation favourites, and got nowhere, even though we've fielded six world class midfielders and they've had none?
Because the game's about getting the ball in the back of the net, not dominating midfield or looking promising in defence?
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It was there a very poor performance bt Utd

carroll 8
silvestre 6
p.neville 6
blanc 7
o'shea 9 MOM (imo)
beckham 6
butt 7
keane 8
giggs 5
veron 7
ruud 6

ole 8
forlan 6
scholes 6
I apologise in advance if this upsets somebody but UNITED were total rubbish today the movement was non-existent passes overhit and formation 2-5-3 :eek: shit my self when he did that but ok today it paid off
 
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>How can you say Ole was MOM ? He may have got the goal, but OShea and Roy were better.
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Yes, how can you say that?
Because Ole got the goal?
Because when he got the ball near goal, you knew he'd score and you were so happy the chance fell to him, not one of the others?
Because you felt that the rest of our millionaire superstars could have played all night without scoring?
Because apart from Ole we've played 180 competitive minutes, against a team that nobody in Hungary's even heard of and against the premiership's relegation favourites, and got nowhere, even though we've fielded six world class midfielders and they've had none?
Because the game's about getting the ball in the back of the net, not dominating midfield or looking promising in defence?
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Another one who gives silvestre and beckham the same rating :rolleyes:
I think I give up watching football because obviously I don`t understand this game. :(
 
Originally posted by becks75:
<strong>Another one who gives silvestre and beckham the same rating :rolleyes:
I think I give up watching football because obviously I don`t understand this game. :( </strong><hr></blockquote>

So then Einstein why should becks and silvestre be given different ratings
were you there do you know how they performed?
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agree about the terrible display, but how does that go with a 9, three 8's and three 7's against what is arguably the weakest side in the league.

If this is what we're capable of against a 10 men defense (9 men for 30min) there is a good chance of playing lots of league games on sundays following cold UEFA Cup thursday nights
 
I already wrote it. Beckham was involved in most of our chances 2-3 great crosses, one great pass to RVN and some shoots from himself. The only things Silvestre did today was giving the ball away via terrible passing or touches.
I watched the game twice.On TV and then on video again.
But it is only my IMO maybe I don`t understand this game.
 
This might ruffle a few feather,but what the heck I think that Giggs should be ashamed of himself, he really is not pulling his weight these days, he's been ineffective since I dont know when, we need to rethink our left wing game plan we are not getting anywhere at the moment,and I feel his contribution to the side needs to be addressed.
 
Originally posted by becks75:
<strong>I already wrote it. Beckham was involved in most of our chances 2-3 great crosses, one great pass to RVN and some shoots from himself. The only things Silvestre did today was giving the ball away via terrible passing or touches.
I watched the game twice.On TV and then on video again.
But it is only my IMO maybe I don`t understand this game.</strong><hr></blockquote>

My ratings came from movement etc which you dont see on tv beckhams usual runs down the wing the ball over the top to him never happened why? because he was mainly static.
It must be his new orange boots
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"agree about the terrible display, but how does that go with a 9, three 8's and three 7's against what is arguably the weakest side in the league."

Maybe because keane never gets less than 8 in this forum and O´Shea and Carroll are Irish and had decent games against the mighty West Broms.
 
Originally posted by becks75:
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Maybe because keane never gets less than 8 in this forum and O´Shea and Carroll are Irish and had decent games against the mighty West Broms.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If keane deserves less than 8 (IMO) i will give it less. also what the feck as ireland got to do with it im not irish ENGLISH born and bred
carroll and o'shea are good players .
Are you a dipper or massive
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Right im off to watch the premiership on tv maybe that will make my ratings change as i wont be able to see the off the ball action and movement :mad:
 
Originally posted by becks75:
<strong>"Maybe because keane never gets less than 8 in this forum and O´Shea and Carroll are Irish and had decent games against the mighty West Broms.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Beckham fans
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by corelive:
<strong>Right im off to watch the premiership on tv maybe that will make my ratings change as i wont be able to see the off the ball action and movement :mad: </strong><hr></blockquote>

I have just watched the highlights on tv my changes from the tv pictures would be
keane 9 but thats tv pictures its amazing what they can do with editing ;)
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yep keane appeared to have a good game..

and from what i've seen, WBA packed their box..which didn't make it easy for us to break thro'..
 
Keane was excellent. So was Butt. The defence didn't really have much to do, but O'Shea does look comfortable.

Man of the match was probably their goalie.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Keane was excellent. So was Butt. The defence didn't really have much to do, but O'Shea does look comfortable.

Man of the match was probably their goalie.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agree their goalie is the best player of the match. Keano is pushed forward in the first half and it didn't suit him. I don't agree some of the praise about O'Shea here. He didn't seem to handle Roberts very well and he directly gave away the ball in a very dangerous position in the 2nd half. My rating:

Carroll: 7
P.Nevlle: 6
Blanc: 5
O'Shea: 6
Silverstre: 5
Beckham: 6
Keane: 7
Butt: 7
Veron: 6
Giggs: 6
Ruud: 6
Ole: 8
Scholes: 7
Forlan: 6
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Originally posted by becks75:
<strong>Another one who gives silvestre and beckham the same rating :rolleyes:
I think I give up watching football because obviously I don`t understand this game. :( </strong><hr></blockquote>

I think it mostly goes down to how people rate. Many times the rating will be affected by potential, i.e. Beckham can do SO much more while there is a limit to what Phil Neville can do. So it ends up not being about comparing performances between players but performance relative to what they can do.

6 is average, inconsequential, didn't do much, etc. Clearly to these posters Beckham was as average as Silvestre, relative to their potential that is, so Silvestre probably played worse than Beckham which is not surprising to me.
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Beckham doesnt really deserve much more than a 6 because he played no where near his best. He could have played so much better. The standards he has set himself mean he must be judged harsher than others. He cant have it both ways.
 
Why don't we just give Silvestre 5.95 and Becks 6.05. That should settle it.

I personally would give Becks 7 as he did send in a few beautiful crosses. The chip to RVN in the last 5 mins could have easily resulted in a goal if RVN hadn't fluffed it. Had that been a goal I am sure many would have rated Becks better (though he would not have played any different). IMO Silvestre does not deserve even a 6.
 
Carroll-7
P.Neville-6-too many overlaps with Becks
Blanc6.5-Roberts ran him ragged
O'Shea-7
Silvestre-6.5
Beckham-6.5
Veron-7
Keane-7.5
Butt-7.5-Played with passion
Giggs-6-didn't have much possesion
V.Nistelrooy-6.5
Subs
Solskjaer-7.5-Good goal
Scholes-7-Looks sharpe
Forlan-6-Too little time again
 
Originally posted by MauritianRed:
<strong>Why don't we just give Silvestre 5.95 and Becks 6.05. That should settle it.

I personally would give Becks 7 as he did send in a few beautiful crosses. The chip to RVN in the last 5 mins could have easily resulted in a goal if RVN hadn't fluffed it. Had that been a goal I am sure many would have rated Becks better (though he would not have played any different). IMO Silvestre does not deserve even a 6.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Becks only performed in the final half hour. In the first half he was nearly useless and some of his crossing was far below his own standard. So in average I can only see a "6" from him.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>I find it a bit worrying that people are saying Ruud looks sluggish at the beginning of the season, especially considering he didn't go to the World Cup.

Future team:

Carroll/Barthez
G. Neville
O'Shea/Blanc
Ferdinand
Silvestre
Becks
Keane
Butt
Giggs/Forlan
Ruud
Ole

That imo is the best team we have, but I hate leaving Scholes out.</strong><hr></blockquote>

IMO, Scholes and Keane are our two best midfielders. I don't see why you would leave him out. Scholes has great vision as witnessed by his assist. Plus his ability to find space in the box.
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Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>Veron deserved more than a 6.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why?

Of the starters, only Keane, O'Shea and Butt deserved 7 or better. The rest were for 6 or less. OGS and Scholes both deserved 7.

Giggs made a couple of runs. But that was it.
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Originally posted by fortyseven:
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Yes, how can you say that?
Because Ole got the goal?
Because when he got the ball near goal, you knew he'd score and you were so happy the chance fell to him, not one of the others?
Because you felt that the rest of our millionaire superstars could have played all night without scoring?
Because apart from Ole we've played 180 competitive minutes, against a team that nobody in Hungary's even heard of and against the premiership's relegation favourites, and got nowhere, even though we've fielded six world class midfielders and they've had none?
Because the game's about getting the ball in the back of the net, not dominating midfield or looking promising in defence?</strong><hr></blockquote>


Puzzeling isn't it?

You don't have to look pretty to get the job done.
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Originally posted by uranushk1:
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I don't agree some of the praise about O'Shea here. He didn't seem to handle Roberts very well and he directly gave away the ball in a very dangerous position in the 2nd half.
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He's bound to make errors - he's only young! He will hopefully get better with every game.
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Originally posted by antohan:
<strong>

I think it mostly goes down to how people rate. Many times the rating will be affected by potential, i.e. Beckham can do SO much more while there is a limit to what Phil Neville can do. So it ends up not being about comparing performances between players but performance relative to what they can do.

6 is average, inconsequential, didn't do much, etc. Clearly to these posters Beckham was as average as Silvestre, relative to their potential that is, so Silvestre probably played worse than Beckham which is not surprising to me.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well said. Because we all know how good Beckham can be when he performs to his full potential, while we know the limits to Silvestre's game.
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