Time-keeping in Football

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Taken from FIFA's Laws of the Game.

Allowance for time lost
Allowance is made in either period for all time lost through:
• substitutions
• assessment of injury to players
• removal of injured players from the field of play for treatment
• wasting time
• any other cause

The allowance for time lost is at the discretion of the referee.

My question is mostly, should it be at the discretion of the referees/fourth officials? So often I think there is just far too much leeway for it to be up to the refs discretion (or, is that the exact reason it needs to be?). You feel like one ref could give 2 minutes added time and another 5 at the end of 90 minutes, and no-one (bar fans of the side at a disadvantage) would consider it's accuracy.

How much football is actually played? Admittedly, I've wondered this a ton of times and always told myself that I'll time the game myself and stop the clock whenever the ball is out of play (like Basketball). I'm not necessarily saying that it'd make sense to have 90 minutes of the ball in play, likely the quality would suffer as a result, but I'd be interested to see how much time the ball actually spends on the pitch with play ongoing. And if a stricter measure was put into place to keep time, then it's not like the two halves of 45 minute rules are some irreversible pillar of what makes the game what it is.

So what are the rules about stoppage time?

The Professional Game Match Officials - the board responsible for providing the Premier League with officials and developing refereeing - provided BBC Sport with some answers.

How do referees keep track of how long an injury takes?

There's two people, one of the assistants and the fourth official. As soon as the physio or trainer comes on, they will monitor how long they are on the pitch.

Does he stop his watch or just note what time the injury has happened?

He doesn't stop his watch, no. It's just a case of monitoring their watch; they never stop the watch.

Is 30 seconds added on for each substitution?

As a rule of thumb, yes. But if a player is doddering, meandering, then extra time can be added. And it's the same for red cards, yellow cards as well.

Is the clock stopped for goals?

No, it's not. But they do add time (to cover celebrations). It's around 30 seconds as a rule of thumb, unless they spend five minutes celebrating. Every situation is different, they'll take each one on its merit.

How do referees account for time-wasting?

That's discretionary. It has to depend on the situation.

When does he let the fourth official know how long he wants added on?

It's usually about two minutes before the end of each half.

How does he keep track of the amount of added time in injury time itself?

That's the same process itself. For example in the Reading-Arsenal game there was a substitution in extra time.

Do referees not blow for full-time when a team is attacking?

No. They can blow for full time at any junction.

What have been the major changes in the process over recent years?

Just that fourth officials note down every stoppage of play. They can present it to the management team of any club - should they want a list.

How long have fourth officials been noting the times down?

It's actually since last season. They've been writing it down properly so that people can see this is the list of where the time has been added on.

How much has it helped ease potential tensions with managers?

There aren't any. I mean the communications between match officials and both players and managers are much improved. The manager and the captain go in and exchange team sheets with the referee beforehand. We removed the monitor in the dugout a few years ago (and) the behaviour in the technical area has improved remarkably. Credit needs to go to the managers and players.

Sir Alex Ferguson is among managers that have repeatedly called for the responsibility of timekeeping to be taken away from referees. Has this ever been discussed?

It has. It is something that has been discussed at the PGMO technical committee, which meets quarterly to discuss and potentially suggest to Fifa any changes in the laws of the game.

It would be an International Football Association Association Board (Ifab) decision for that to be introduced. If it was to be introduced by a third party, whether that's a fourth official or somebody up in the stands, Fifa would need to make that decision and if there was a particularly strong request for that, PGMO technical committee could suggest that too.

On the PGMO technical committee are the bodies responsible for organising the game in this country - the LMA, the PFA; there's club representatives on there. They can suggest to Fifa 'We would like this to be put to Ifab'.

Ifab don't have to put that on their agenda or if they do put it on the agenda, they don't have to vote for it as well, but they can make suggestions. It's something that has been up for debate before. The LMA, as Sir Alex is part of, if they feel very strongly about that, they can work with the technical committee to see if that can be put on Ifab's remit.

But if you are going to put that on Ifab you would need to have data which suggests this would improve the match time-keeping by x%. You'd need to provide them with some evidence it is a worthwhile thing to do.

The above is taken from this BBC article.

It offers up some of the extra guidelines that the officials are given to aid them in keeping time. But the rule of thumbs offered up to certain scenarios are then subjected to arbitrary discretion from the officials anyway rendering them potentially pointless.

And what are the rules on when to blow the whistle? So of course, the time given is that of minimum added time - but then there may need to be more time added ontop of that. Fair enough.. but at that point there is no indication, and it again becomes a game of the referees personal whim. Does advantage matter? Do the circumstances of the team matter? They seem to, despite the above guidelines denying there is any particular instruction on this.

If a team who is winning is holding the ball up the pitch at the end of time, the ref won't hesitate to blow the whistle. Generally, when a team gains a points advantage from scoring and has the ball in the opposition third, the ref will let them play on until they lose advantage. Is there any background to this, why it takes place? There are exceptions of course, Uniteds champions league tie at the Bernabeu a couple of years ago when we were about to take a corner is one notable example.

tl;dr
Should time-keeping be a discretionary tool for the referee and/or fourth official?
Do the guidelines governing such need to change?
Do circumstances of the game matter, and should they matter?
 
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Extra time is controlled by the TV companies IMO. I can pretty much guess every game how many minutes will be added on.

Doesn't seem to follow the Ref's watch either. In the first half against Southampton we got 1 minute of added time and Alderweireld was down for about 4 minimum.
 
Extra time is controlled by the TV companies IMO. I can pretty much guess every game how many minutes will be added on.

You mean to add to the 'drama' of it?

Doesn't seem to follow the Ref's watch either. In the first half against Southampton we got 1 minute of added time and Alderweireld was down for about 4 minimum.

That was a point I was supposed to make in regards to circumstance. Why is there so much more added time for the second half? Ok I appreciate that there's likely to be more substitutions and time wasting, but it still doesn't really fit. Especially when you start considering specific halves as you've just pointed out.

I guess the ref put his faith in the 30 second rule of thumb on the Alderweireld injury :wenger:
 
No one has ever been able to articulate a single good reason why a stop watch wouldn't improve the sport immeasurably.

Pros:
- Can be used at any level, even in the park on a Sunday etc
- Basically eliminates the point of time wasting. Oh hi Mr. Tadic, did you get an oweeey now that your team is winning? No problem. We'll wait. And your opponent won't lose a second of time. Oh and off you go for 'treatment'
- It's consistent - no more craziness of goals 2 minutes after added time
- It's more fair for a league: You often get situations at the end of big scorelines where the ref just blows up with a minute gone - regardless of minutes played. Given goal difference is important in league positions, really all added time should be played, regardless of result

Cons:
- Erm, makes it harder to schedule on TV?
 
If you stop-watched it, you'd have to make the gamse 60/65 mintues...which I suppose is fine, but then you'd have the horrible concept of people counting down the last 10 seconds of a game... and that would be awful.
 
I'm not convinced it's enough of an issue to justify changing how it currently works.
 
If you stop-watched it, you'd have to make the gamse 60/65 mintues...which I suppose is fine, but then you'd have the horrible concept of people counting down the last 10 seconds of a game... and that would be awful.

We don't have to make a spectacle out of the time like in Basketball though. The players wouldn't need to know. I mean, fans could use their own stopwatch but would enough and accurately enough for them to know? TVs would likely do it, but it doesn't really matter if people at home are counting down the last seconds.

I'm not convinced it's enough of an issue to justify changing how it currently works.

Perhaps not. But @Hernandez - BFA wouldn't be where he is today, at Cardiff University, if he only improved where necessary.
 
If you stop-watched it, you'd have to make the gamse 60/65 mintues...which I suppose is fine, but then you'd have the horrible concept of people counting down the last 10 seconds of a game... and that would be awful.

Sky did some study a while back that showed the ball is only in play between 20-25 minutes a half in the premier league - so I'd say two 25 minute halves.

As to the issue at the moment - part of that study showed Stoke (pre Hughes) had the ball in play on average 8 minutes less than other teams. That's why I think it's a crock. Think of all the times we've been behind in the CL against (particularly) Portuguese teams. Every single players gets cramp, and there is no football played for about 20 minutes. It's disgusting, and encouraged int he current system. There is literally no downside to cheating.
 
What's so bad about that? Or rather, is it worse than time wasting?
You'll still get time wasting in play though. Playing the ball into the corners, diving for free-kicks, the keeper falling to the ground whenever he gets the ball in the last few minutes, etc. All of these will still happen and will continue to interrupt the flow of the game and any momentum the attacking team is attempting to generate.
 
Sky did some study a while back that showed the ball is only in play between 20-25 minutes a half in the premier league - so I'd say two 25 minute halves.

As to the issue at the moment - part of that study showed Stoke (pre Hughes) had the ball in play on average 8 minutes less than other teams. That's why I think it's a crock. Think of all the times we've been behind in the CL against (particularly) Portuguese teams. Every single players gets cramp, and there is no football played for about 20 minutes. It's disgusting, and encouraged int he current system. There is literally no downside to cheating.

Damn. You got any links to this? Interesting stuff, particularly about Stoke.

You'll still get time wasting in play though. Playing the ball into the corners, diving for free-kicks, the keeper falling to the ground whenever he gets the ball in the last few minutes, etc. All of these will still happen and will continue to interrupt the flow of the game and any momentum the attacking team is attempting to generate.

Well, if they stopped play literally whenever the ball was not in play then there would be less? And even if not, I'm not really sure why the only option is to completely fix the issue or keep it how it is now. Is there no ground for improvement, even if it is potentially always somewhat flawed?
 
We don't have to make a spectacle out of the time like in Basketball though. The players wouldn't need to know. I mean, fans could use their own stopwatch but would enough and accurately enough for them to know? TVs would likely do it, but it doesn't really matter if people at home are counting down the last seconds.

But there's something incredibly exciting/wonderful about waiting for that final whistle...and the sheer elation that can come when you do hear it. If you know exactly when it's going to happen - you would lose that feeling somewhat I think.

What's so bad about that? Or rather, is it worse than time wasting?

Time wasting can be sorted in other ways - doesn't necceserily need a stopped clock to solve that.
 
They should definitely stop the clock at goals, fouls and subs. Should they do it when the ball goes out of play possibly. What I would say is when the 60 mins (or whatever is) is up the game should stop when the ball next legitimately goes out of play i.e. not from a foul. Otherwise you could end up with situations with that Welsh ref at the World Cup a while back.
 
Here's what I saw - actually from Opta. Also the 8 min number was between us and Stoke, not the average. Getting old :)

http://www.soccermetrics.net/team-performance/effective-time-in-football

Cheers, some interesting stuff there.

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That's even worse than I thought.
 
It's one of my pet peeves; particularly when there's time wasted in stoppage time. Every once in a while you'll get a game where the ball is in play for about a minute of the four that were supposed to be added on and the ref doesn't seem to care past adding an extra 20 seconds.

Leaving it to the ref's discretion doesn't work because each ref has his own way of doing it. There should be nothing subjective about this; it's mathematics. A proper system should be in place that assures consistency.
 
It's one of my pet peeves; particularly when there's time wasted in stoppage time. Every once in a while you'll get a game where the ball is in play for about a minute of the four that were supposed to be added on and the ref doesn't seem to care past adding an extra 20 seconds.

Leaving it to the ref's discretion doesn't work because each ref has his own way of doing it. There should be nothing subjective about this; it's mathematics. A proper system should be in place that assures consistency.


Agree 100%
 
If you stop-watched it, you'd have to make the gamse 60/65 mintues...which I suppose is fine, but then you'd have the horrible concept of people counting down the last 10 seconds of a game... and that would be awful.

I've heard that done at the end of normal time at Old Trafford, in league cup matches etc. I think it's when theyv'e given away blocks to local schools.
 
Let's introduce a shot clock as well. Teams don't attack enough.
 
Let's introduce a shot clock as well. Teams don't attack enough.

I'm game. Let's do it.

In all seriousness there's a few posts here which seem to obsess over going too far the other way, like no middle ground can be found.

Unpredictable match lengths. TV companies won't like therefore won't happen.

I imagine games would generally take up a fairly similar length of time, and it wouldn't take long for them to consider an average and start to base it around that. Having more game time on TV without having to show more games would be something I reckon the TV companies would love, more opportunity to advertise, more reason for people to subscribe, and people viewing them and not competitors for longer.
 
I imagine games would generally take up a fairly similar length of time, and it wouldn't take long for them to consider an average and start to base it around that. Having more game time on TV without having to show more games would be something I reckon the TV companies would love, more opportunity to advertise, more reason for people to subscribe, and people viewing them and not competitors for longer.

Whilst I don't have any evidence, I don't agree with this. Imagine a game like we play recently. We keep possession pass it around and hardly have any shots on target hardly any corners or throw-ins etc.

Now imagine an end to end game with 10 corners a piece plenty of throw ins.

The game lengths would be drastically different.

A piece of play where you take a corner and then it goes out for another corner can happen 3-4 times in a row in some cases - that takes up like 5 minutes of time, but if you're stopping the clock every time it's literially like 20 seconds of play that actually happened in those 5 minutes.
 
I believe we should adopt a rugby style time keeping system.
With the only exception being the time keeping should be taken away from the ref.
 
Whilst I don't have any evidence, I don't agree with this. Imagine a game like we play recently. We keep possession pass it around and hardly have any shots on target hardly any corners or throw-ins etc.

Now imagine an end to end game with 10 corners a piece plenty of throw ins.

The game lengths would be drastically different.

A piece of play where you take a corner and then it goes out for another corner can happen 3-4 times in a row in some cases - that takes up like 5 minutes of time, but if you're stopping the clock every time it's literially like 20 seconds of play that actually happened in those 5 minutes.
Yeah i reckon this would be an issue. Rugby is easier to fit to this model as essentially both sides are moving forward with the ball constantly. The differences in points for a penalty or a try as well as the bonus point system means that it is beneficial to keep attacking for both sides. The time wasting only really happens close to the last few seconds. play doesn;t stop for injuries and blood substitutions keep the game flowing.

For football it could be a cynical ploy to conserve energy by grabbing an early goal and playing it around the pitch so the time spent on the pitch wont be as long. Barcelona would definitely be capable of doing that and if it was ahead of a CL tie where your team have been chasing route one football around the pitch for 2 hours due to stoppages then Barcelona would have the upper hand in terms of being rested.

I do think there eneds to be more transparency on the added time part. How sending on a substitute after 90 mins doesn;t require more time to be added is beyond me.
 
Just follow the hockey system and have a massive horn to announce HT and FT.
 
Pretty sure most refs just roll a dice to determine the added time.

Some people are arguing unpredictable match length would piss off the TV companies. Look at American sports - almost all of them have stoppages and very variable length. European TV is already fitting those sports into their schedules, so I'm sure they could make it work with football as well. There's really no reason why being able to stop the clock wouldn't work in football and it'd help massively with injury feigning. Obviously not going to happen though. "Beauty of the game" and all that non-sense.
 
I've always thought it was stupid that we now have 7 people on the bench and 3 substitutes but get less play time than when it was one or two on the bench and one substitute, while the fans pay an increasing amount of money to to watch less action.

Time wasting while the ball is in play is one thing but it's the 30 seconds to take a throw and 1 minute to take a free kick in extra time that really winds me up
 
Using subs as a time-wasting procedure always annoys me. If it's a sub for the side that's winning by a goal, the player coming off will trot off as slowly as possible. Bringing on subs in stoppage time is specifically to take the sting out of the game and kill 30 seconds or so.

I'd like to see subs being made with no stoppage in play, like Ice Hockey. You could use a stoppage in play, like a goal kick, to bring on a sub, but the goalkeeper should be able to take the goal kick regardless of where the player leaving the field is. That would force the changeover to be quick, and the team making the change wouldn't have to wait for the referee to stop the game. Also there'd be none of this limping off with imaginary cramp, applauding the fans, taking a slight diversion in direction to shake the referees hand. Just straight off.

They do it in Rugby League as well. There has to be a stoppage in play, but the game doesn't come to a halt as the player comes off. It will continue even if a player is still making his way off the pitch. Quite often, you don't even notice when a sub has happened as they will enter the play from wherever the line of play is rather than the halfway line. That is also a good idea which could be transferable, IMO.

It seems like football is the only sport to make a huge occasion out of a substitution, with the announcement and the applause. Most other sports just take a guy off and throw another guy on, and you might not even notice right away.
 
No one has ever been able to articulate a single good reason why a stop watch wouldn't improve the sport immeasurably.

Pros:
- Can be used at any level, even in the park on a Sunday etc
- Basically eliminates the point of time wasting. Oh hi Mr. Tadic, did you get an oweeey now that your team is winning? No problem. We'll wait. And your opponent won't lose a second of time. Oh and off you go for 'treatment'
- It's consistent - no more craziness of goals 2 minutes after added time
- It's more fair for a league: You often get situations at the end of big scorelines where the ref just blows up with a minute gone - regardless of minutes played. Given goal difference is important in league positions, really all added time should be played, regardless of result

Cons:
- Erm, makes it harder to schedule on TV?
Would be almost impossible for TV and stadium clocks, and thereby also managers and players, to track the time.
 
Would be almost impossible for TV and stadium clocks, and thereby also managers and players, to track the time.

Would it? They manage in the NBA, NFL and NHL. The NFL is even trickier as not all play stoppages result in a clock stoppage, but it's never been an issue. The NBA and NHL is a simple stop as soon s the ball/puck isn't in play, and it works.
 
I remember reading that on average, the ball is only in play for 60-65 minutes of the 90.

Imagine what could happen if the players could still play the other 25-30 minutes.

If you do the stop-play way, as in rugby, then I do think that teams could be allowed to do more than 3 substitutes maybe.
 
I remember reading that on average, the ball is only in play for 60-65 minutes of the 90.

Imagine what could happen if the players could still play the other 25-30 minutes.

If you do the stop-play way, as in rugby, then I do think that teams could be allowed to do more than 3 substitutes maybe.
Nah, just make a football match two 30 minute halves.
 
I feel we'd lose more "footballing tradition" in doing that rather than just simply adding an extra substitute or two.
Definitely but I think you'd need too many substitutions (realistically I think you'd need to replace all outfield players but your centre backs/holding midfielders) to play 90 minutes to a stopwatch.
 
Would be almost impossible for TV and stadium clocks, and thereby also managers and players, to track the time.
That's just not true. Even without using too much technology all you need is a person to click a button when the ref makes a signal. There's so many other sports where this works.
 
Would it? They manage in the NBA, NFL and NHL. The NFL is even trickier as not all play stoppages result in a clock stoppage, but it's never been an issue. The NBA and NHL is a simple stop as soon s the ball/puck isn't in play, and it works.
If that's what he meant to suggest, then sure that's possible. In that case though, if you stopped the clock every time the ball wasn't in play, football matches would last way, way longer than now.

The effective playing time in football is around 55-60 minutes. Matches would last more than two and a half hours including half-time.
 
That's just not true. Even without using too much technology all you need is a person to click a button when the ref makes a signal. There's so many other sports where this works.
What signal would that be? And why wouldn't the ref forget to make that signal half the time?