This quote by Amorim should be pinned up and seen before and after every single game

This was in the early days and I think he is wrong in saying we will suffer a little, we will suffer a lot but I think he is right in sticking to his way of playing and forcing this lot to adapt to it whether they like it or not.
 
OmarUnited4ever said:
This was in the early days and I think he is wrong in saying we will suffer a little, we will suffer a lot but I think he is right in sticking to his way of playing and forcing this lot to adapt to it whether they like it or not.
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these players need to suffer and learn how to suffer....it's part of football when things aren't going all roses, you have to grind and your legs have to suffer to make improvements
 
OmarUnited4ever said:
This was in the early days and I think he is wrong in saying we will suffer a little, we will suffer a lot but I think he is right in sticking to his way of playing and forcing this lot to adapt to it whether they like it or not.
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Agree and for once I think we have a manager who will stick to his principles and change the team to show this over time. TH was a failure as soon as he said we wouldnt play like Ajax, and played the same players over and over, in no particular style, some simply because they were big names.
 
Yes, I've been thinking of this over the past while. That Amorim could take the "easy" option and go back to a system that the players are more comfortable with, and he may even get better results that way and possibly finish 5th or 6th. But it's not going to do him any good in the long term because he's not going to learn anything about the players, whether they can play outside their comfort zone in the system he wants.

That's why I hope to God the results don't get much worse, because otherwise I fear he will get put under pressure (from fans, media and maybe even Ineos) to abandon his principles to get some short term results in order to keep the wolf from the door. Which is what happened with Ten Hag not long after he joined.
 
fallengt said:
nah, he said United couldn't play like Ajax
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Oh really?
“"I appointed new staff. We bought new young players, and we have to integrate them, like Manuel Ugarte," he added. I know in top football, usually you don't get time. They have to perform immediately, but that's not always realistic. He has to get used to our game model, to his teammates, to the intensity of the Premier League. It needs time."
 
Roger Myerson said:
Oh really?
“"I appointed new staff. We bought new young players, and we have to integrate them, like Manuel Ugarte," he added. I know in top football, usually you don't get time. They have to perform immediately, but that's not always realistic. He has to get used to our game model, to his teammates, to the intensity of the Premier League. It needs time."
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That’s nothing like the Amorin quote in the OP.
 
I bought into it when he said it a few weeks ago. He's absolutely right. We've been in a never ending cycle of shit for years.

It's a shame there will be some impatient fools who would rather we sacrifice his system just so we can beat Ipswich or Forest, and maybe finish 8th again, but hopefully most of us are behind him and prepared to give him and Ineos time to make real meaningful changes that will end the cycle
 
Roger Myerson said:
Oh really?
“"I appointed new staff. We bought new young players, and we have to integrate them, like Manuel Ugarte," he added. I know in top football, usually you don't get time. They have to perform immediately, but that's not always realistic. He has to get used to our game model, to his teammates, to the intensity of the Premier League. It needs time."
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Ten Hag here was just giving reasons (excuse?) on why Ugarte isn't playing, because he hasn't got used to the system / his teammates / PL intensity blah blah blah

Amorim is saying we need to persist with playing with his new system, even if we have to suffer and lose games in the short term

I'm baffled how you could think they're saying the same thing, if anything, Amorim is saying the exact opposite of what Ten Hag is saying.
 
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Herschel Krustofsky said:
He did. He said exactly the same thing in an interview with Neville.

Was done at Carrington if people want to look for it
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Or you could provide it?

The only substantial things ten Hag said about his overarching philosophy and the tactics were twofold: 1. We can’t play the way he played at his previous club (and why we appointed him); and 2. That he wants to be the best transition team in the world (another reason we didn’t appoint him)
 
Roger Myerson said:
Oh really?
“"I appointed new staff. We bought new young players, and we have to integrate them, like Manuel Ugarte," he added. I know in top football, usually you don't get time. They have to perform immediately, but that's not always realistic. He has to get used to our game model, to his teammates, to the intensity of the Premier League. It needs time."
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Read again, you completely missed the point. Ten Hag said that we can't play like AJAX and got us play bad football instead. He should have kept to his idea to implement the AJAX style and things could have been different.. Amorim said that he is sticking to his principle style and the players must adapt to it.
 
His mindset is in the right place. And he knows what he wants. Even rival managers can see some patterns of play being introduced by us.
 
OmarUnited4ever said:
This was in the early days and I think he is wrong in saying we will suffer a little, we will suffer a lot but I think he is right in sticking to his way of playing and forcing this lot to adapt to it whether they like it or not.
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Yes, the approach is correct, nobody likes change, even those who eventually will benefit from that change, initially may respond negatively.
I suspect Amorin will try to handle each situation, with each player, as tactfully as he can, encouraging them but also insisting on the changes he wants. Some players already seem to be accepting the changes, but others clearly are not, or do not yet understand what is required.... the manager can only tolerate this for a brief period otherwise making the changes will become a matter of acquiescence for some players, but eventually he needs the players to 'buy in' to what is happening to them.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Or you could provide it?

The only substantial things ten Hag said about his overarching philosophy and the tactics were twofold: 1. We can’t play the way he played at his previous club (and why we appointed him); and 2. That he wants to be the best transition team in the world (another reason we didn’t appoint him)
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If I get time, be happy to
 
He’s totally right, and they should suffer for a system that’ll bear fruit. Anyone who isn’t up for the fight should find another club.
 
Amorim is the first manager picked under Ineos and they will try and back him to the hilt,, especially with time. If he sticks to his principles and players bought for the system, unlike TH, he will eventually succeed.
 
There will be patience so it's worth just trying to ignore the hysterics and get on with it. We don't have much opportunity to bring in new players so we need to muddle through until next season.
 
My Google still works so here’s that requested link

https://www.skysports.com/football/...lle-to-talk-harry-kane-style-of-play-and-more

21 minutes in

Looking forward to this descending into a battle for who’s RIGHT and who’s WRONG.

If people have time, and an open enough mind, would recommend this is watched through. Remarkable how many themes have parallels with what’s happening now.

Different manager, same shit
 
Herschel Krustofsky said:
My Google still works so here’s that requested link

https://www.skysports.com/football/...lle-to-talk-harry-kane-style-of-play-and-more

21 minutes in

Looking forward to this descending into a battle for who’s RIGHT and who’s WRONG.

If people have time, and an open enough mind, would recommend this is watched through. Remarkable how many themes have parallels with what’s happening now.

Different manager, same shit
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Blimey, ten Hag was an awful communicator. It’s really hard to follow what he’s trying to say there, but the main point is sort of there.

I think the substantial difference between ten Hag and Amorim is: I don’t think ten Hag ever truly set us up the way his Ajax team was set up. Ten Hag says he always has to be “proactive” but that’s a lie — we spent his first season with a very deep line with Lisandro and Varane as the pairing and we did pretty well defensively to eek out wins. I also don’t recall his Ajax team being so open with the midfield tactics in his second season here and Onana having to deal with 20+ shots per game.

Amorim, on the other hand, has played nothing but his 343 style.

Grand scheme, I do think most of this stuff is just lip service — but Amorim is walking the walk a little more than ten Hag did.
 
fallengt said:
nah, he said United couldn't play like Ajax
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Why do people wilfully take this quote out of context so often. He said he can’t play that way because of the players we have, that makes perfect sense.

ETH was pragmatic first season and bailed on his ideas after 2 games but second season onwards was what he had in mind. Amorim is saying he’s going to go for it and commit. Let’s see, lose today and will he bail on the back 5? I can’t imagine Ineos will be as hands off as they say if it’s not working.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Why do people wilfully take this quote out of context so often. He said he can’t play that way because of the players we have, that makes perfect sense.

ETH was pragmatic first season and bailed on his ideas after 2 games but second season onwards was what he had in mind. Amorim is saying he’s going to go for it and commit. Let’s see, lose today and will he bail on the back 5? I can’t imagine Ineos will be as hands off as they say if it’s not working.
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Yeah that's what I remember too.

I can't be bothered to find the quote (so i've failed in the burden of proof) but when asked why he didn't return to the pragmatism of his first year at OT or why it was different EtH said he wanted the club to not fall back on old habits and to go toe to toe with teams, even if there was difficulty. This ended up failing miserably of course.
 
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Irwin99 said:
Yeah that's what I remember too.

I can't be bothered to find the quote (so i've failed in the burden of proof) but when asked why he didn't return to the pragmatism of his first year at OT or why it was different EtH said he wanted the club to not fall back on old habits and to go toe to toe with teams, even if there was difficulty. This ended up failing miserably of course.
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The BURDEN IS ON YOU !!

Post proof or you LOSE
 
Roger Myerson said:
Oh really?
“"I appointed new staff. We bought new young players, and we have to integrate them, like Manuel Ugarte," he added. I know in top football, usually you don't get time. They have to perform immediately, but that's not always realistic. He has to get used to our game model, to his teammates, to the intensity of the Premier League. It needs time."
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Problem is there was no game model.
 
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