Do you reckon hes a cheater or not?
This Lance Armstrong story
- Thread starter very Ruud
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its very similar to body building
(with the exception of natural bodybuilders)
If you dont do it,you cant be the best
Its absolutely rife
I once read an article about drugs in bike racing
It came from a book called
"The crooked path to victory"
Ive just ordered it now youve done me a favour
because i had forgot about it Cheers!!
To answer your question
As drugs are illegal then yes i do believe he cheated
The Crooked Path To Victory: Drugs And Cheating In Professional Bicycle Racing by bicycling enthusiast Les Woodland examines the darker side of the sport of bicycle racing, including the use of performance-enhancing drugs, as well as some high- and low-profile deaths connected to such "doping", and the lies and schemes to hide such use from tightening competition controls. The Crooked Path To Victory is a hard-hitting and closely researched study of the grim realities of the drive to win at any cost.
(with the exception of natural bodybuilders)
If you dont do it,you cant be the best
Its absolutely rife
I once read an article about drugs in bike racing
It came from a book called
"The crooked path to victory"
Ive just ordered it now youve done me a favour
because i had forgot about it Cheers!!
To answer your question
As drugs are illegal then yes i do believe he cheated
The Crooked Path To Victory: Drugs And Cheating In Professional Bicycle Racing by bicycling enthusiast Les Woodland examines the darker side of the sport of bicycle racing, including the use of performance-enhancing drugs, as well as some high- and low-profile deaths connected to such "doping", and the lies and schemes to hide such use from tightening competition controls. The Crooked Path To Victory is a hard-hitting and closely researched study of the grim realities of the drive to win at any cost.
Jaapster said:
Is that some kind of poem?
The French are bitter cnuts
Plechazunga said:
Poem er no
yes the french are always bitter Cnuts about everything
not just the Tour
Its always the same in any sport,The testers are miles behind the suppliers
of the drugs
There is no way out from this situation you will never prove
that he did cheat its just my opinion that he did
You're wrong.
He never cheated - there were headlines in the French press the day after he won for the 7th time in a row that "Never in the history of sport had a competition been so relieved from finally seeing the end of the reign of its champion..."
Bitter twats. Armstrong is the greatest cyclist ever and he did it all on his own.
USA USA USA
He never cheated - there were headlines in the French press the day after he won for the 7th time in a row that "Never in the history of sport had a competition been so relieved from finally seeing the end of the reign of its champion..."
Bitter twats. Armstrong is the greatest cyclist ever and he did it all on his own.
USA USA USA
Im pretty sure that hes taken drugs...
He's a yank of course he's taken drugs.
And he already had an unfair advantage in having stronger arms than anyone else
And a lance
My son Leenford neva take drogs
And a lance
My son Leenford neva take drogs
There's nowt more boring than cycling.
Except people talking about cycling
And Belgium
And Belgium
The only thing he was on was Sheryl Crow.
And, a bicycle
Which both have leather(y) seats.Plechazunga said:
And feck up your perineum
Excellent word. It's called the "Taint" over here, in laymen's terms. "'It ain't quite ass and 'taint quite pussy."
Would that make it the "Arnt" in Europe? It should, if it isn't.
Would that make it the "Arnt" in Europe? It should, if it isn't.
Only if you're addressing the perineum
It's made the song "Tainted Love" take on a new and even more sordid meaning
It's made the song "Tainted Love" take on a new and even more sordid meaning
For I toss and turn
I can't sleep at night
This could more than explain your insomnia, as well...
I can't sleep at night
This could more than explain your insomnia, as well...
I don't suffer from insomnia anymore...I just sit posting on here, like an idiot
Help...
Help...
Hmm...
How's the beard working out for you?
How's the beard working out for you?
I'm quite enjoying playing with it
Will probably shave it off tomorrow though
The Czech word for 40, i've just discovered, is "chtrzhytset"
Christ
Will probably shave it off tomorrow though
The Czech word for 40, i've just discovered, is "chtrzhytset"
Christ
They all take drugs. So it still comes down to Lance being a more conditioned athlete.
Not.very Ruud said:
right on the button.MrMarcello said:
Don't forget that he's missing a testicle also, makes him lighter than the other riders.
TheDevil'sOwn said:
You must be joking...
Let's assume for a moment he didn't cheat: he only won the Tour (and 1 World Championship, before his illness), nothing else, that doesn't make him "the greatest cyclist ever".
There's really no discussion about it: Eddy Merckx always will be the greatest cyclist ever. It's as Bernard Hinault (who won 5 Tours himself) said a few months ago: "If Merckx had focussed on the Tour as Armstrong did, he would have won it 14 times - at least)
Eddy Merckx Honours List (just of few highlights)
Tours:
5 x Tour de France (in addition to 34 stages, 2x Best Climber and 3x best Sprinter)
5 x Giro d'Italia (Tour of Italy)
1 x Vuelta d'Espagna (Tour of Spain)
Classics:
2 Omloop Het Volk (1971 en 73)
7 Milano-San Remo (1966, 67, 69, 71, 72, 75 & 76)
2 Ronde van Vlaanderen (Tour of Flanders) (1969 & 75)
3 Ghent-Wevelgem (1967, 70 & 73)
3 Paris-Roubaix (1968, 70 & 73)
5 Liège-Bastogne-Liège (1969, 71, 72, 73 & 75)
2 Amstel Gold Race (1973 & 75)
1 Rund um den Henninger Turm (1971)
1 Paris-Brussels (1973)
2 Giro di Lombardia (1971 & 72)
3 World Championships (1967, 1971 & 1974)
And he didn't just rest in winter, he used the wintertime to participate in indoor races (in which he excelled too and won 17 "6-day"-indoor race-competitions.
In total Merckx won a staggering total of 525 races.
Back to Armstrong: I don't know if he cheated, but the fact of the matter is, that these lab-results just corroborate the stories of former team-mates, people who worked with the team and others who have stated that there were big irregularities in the way the US Postal (now Discovery Channel) was run from a medical point of view.
Not in the advantage of Armstrong, is the fact that before he got ill, he hardly was a great climber and afterwards all of a sudden he flew like an eagle. That's not normal, climbing is something you either can or can't and training can do little for you. People like Frederico Bahamontes, Lucien Van Impe and Marco Pantani were true climbers, Armstrong was not.
Before these test results, I would've tended to give him the benefit of the doubt, to the extent that some of the drugs that saved his live may have had a lasting impact on his fysiology and metabolism. That would mean you couldn't call him a cheat, but on the other hand, his results would have to be cathegorised as "un-natural" anyway.
Cycling is really boring
Slabber said:
Because of bulk?
Richter said:
yes until then I never heard about it
As was that post right up above yours.Slabber said:
The fact that Nike didn't think enough of Eddie Whoever to sponsor him and give him his own special-coloured wristband, says enough, really.
Slabber said:
Not as boring as some sports like Formula 1 for instance.
thoward said:
And cricket.
and golf.MrMarcello said:
very Ruud said:
Gawd yes. Quoting George Carlin, "Watching golf on tv is like watching flies feck."
UCI: No doping evidence against Lance
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Associated Press
Posted: 19 minutes ago
AIGLE, Switzerland (AP) - Cycling's governing body said Friday it had received no evidence of doping by Lance Armstrong and criticized world doping authorities and a French sports newspaper for making allegations against the seven-time Tour de France champion.
'Nuff said? With the French around, why would anyone call Siddy "the Bitters?"
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Associated Press
Posted: 19 minutes ago
AIGLE, Switzerland (AP) - Cycling's governing body said Friday it had received no evidence of doping by Lance Armstrong and criticized world doping authorities and a French sports newspaper for making allegations against the seven-time Tour de France champion.
'Nuff said? With the French around, why would anyone call Siddy "the Bitters?"
MrMarcello said:
True.