The worst fans in the world

[Gentleman Jim]

Why should I?

The OP said "I can't think of a worse fan group" so I offered the opinion that there is a fan group that's even worse.

When United (or any other team)have bee down in the 3rd tier with very little drop off in attendance, when they lose with such gallows humour as City do then we can discuss it.

If a few Johnny Come Lately's on an internet forum give a knee jerk opinion that a Manager who's been a stubborn boss, allowing talented young players to become disenchanted by not playing them enough even in crisis and a group of Directors who've allowed a side to grow old and failed to cover a catastrophic injury to City's prime asset are exempt from some criticism doesn't warrant a few toys flying out of prams maybe City's fanbase are bad.
You are predictably deflecting debate away from whether United's fanbase are acting honourably or not (I defended them in my post) by continuing your obsessive campaign about all things City.
As I said earlier there are plenty of different threads on this forum where you can do that.

Happy New Year.

 

[gulli_G]

There’s languid and there’s not running into space when you don’t have the ball. He does both. If we know he wasn’t good enough, and we also know he bore the brunt of frustrations at how shit we were collectively, then he and the coaching staff also know that.

People keep saying that booing doesn’t help, but it’s feedback, and feedback helps shape people to be better. What’s worse is giving people inaccurate feedback, how can they possibly improve if they’re not aware that they aren’t reaching where they should be?

He isn’t good enough, I agree, will he ever been good enough? Probably not, but this is a learning moment for him and he’ll be better for it in the long run. United fans are super tolerant, we will accept being beaten as long as the players are trying, the thing is, they’re not trying anymore. Everyone needs a massive wake up call before we find ourselves in a relegation dogfight that they don’t have the stomach for.

Regardless, the way he was treated by the fans was out of line. We have been seeing dross play for us in the last 10 years did we treat all them like that? There is no justification!

At this rate, Evra would have got same treatment when he came in January and had stinkers while adapting.

 

[DarkLord1984]

When United (or any other team)have bee down in the 3rd tier with very little drop off in attendance, when they lose with such gallows humour as City do then we can discuss it.

If a few Johnny Come Lately's on an internet forum give a knee jerk opinion that a Manager who's been a stubborn boss, allowing talented young players to become disenchanted by not playing them enough even in crisis and a group of Directors who've allowed a side to grow old and failed to cover a catastrophic injury to City's prime asset are exempt from some criticism doesn't warrant a few toys flying out of prams maybe City's fanbase are bad.
You are predictably deflecting debate away from whether United's fanbase are acting honourably or not (I defended them in my post) by continuing your obsessive campaign about all things City.
As I said earlier there are plenty of different threads on this forum where you can do that.

Happy New Year.

If you'll actually read my post, you'll notice I've said the City fans on Bluemoon wanting Guardiola sacked. I didn't mention the entire fanbase - just those specific ones on that site who are crying out for his sacking. I would say they are the worst - due to the amount he has won with your club, and the fact that they are turning on him so quickly. Therefore it's relevant to the discussion, so I'll quite happily post it on this thread.

I will, however, say that anyone in the United fanbase wanting Amorim sacked after being here 5 minutes - without even so much as a transfer window to his name, and inheriting a disjointed squad that is low on confidence - are pretty damn pathetic and ought to have a word with themselves.

 

[Salus Populi Suprema Lex]

Regardless, the way he was treated by the fans was out of line. We have been seeing dross play for us in the last 10 years did we treat all them like that? There is no justification!

At this rate, Evra would have got same treatment when he came in January and had stinkers while adapting.

Agreed. Zirkzee happened to be the player subbed off when feelings boiled over, but I think it was unfair. There is a long queue of others at the club who deserve the wrath of the fans before Zirkzee.

 

[Lentwood]

We're not the worst fans in the world but we've shown were not 'special', like some presumed.

When things go badly, turns out our fanbase is just as fickle and short-sighted as any other.

I will say we have had to put up with more than most fans. Not in the sense that our results have been THAT bad, because we have still won more cups over the last decade than most fans will see their team win in a lifetime...but in the sense that we've been unfairly ran into the ground by the Glazers through no fault of our own via an acquisition model which is now banned

 

[crossy1686]

Regardless, the way he was treated by the fans was out of line. We have been seeing dross play for us in the last 10 years did we treat all them like that? There is no justification!

At this rate, Evra would have got same treatment when he came in January and had stinkers while adapting.

No he wouldn’t because those players were afforded the luxury of playing under a manager who everyone trusted and in a dressing room where they were held accountable by their peers. He just simply wouldn’t have played for United again if he didn’t prove himself in training and his performances. Evra didn’t become a great player because some fans clapped him while he was playing at testimonial pace.

Diamonds are made under intense pressure. You think it was easy being part of that squad and not being up to the standard demanded?

Now apply that nonsense you just posted to Zirkzee and our current state. You think clapping him off is going to put a rocket up his arse? You think the rest of the lads are holding him (and others, and themselves) accountable for the performances?

Theres no accountability, there’s no desire to improve, there are no standards of what’s acceptable anymore. The players have stopped trying and look around like someone else is going to save them from their own lack of effort. Booing is feedback, and feedback is necessary for improvement.

We’ve fecking clapped them off for over 10 years, how’s that working out? They lost 7-0 and still got clapped off, they consistently under perform and get clapped off, when are they going to get good for all the support they’re afforded?

It’s time people wake the feck up and realise the only reason this place is ‘toxic’ is because they don’t care anymore and they don’t have acceptable standards. Everything will stop being ‘toxic’ when they start putting in some effort and winning games. It’s totally within their control as to what happens next.

I hope they get booed off every week if they play like that. Get a grip of yourselves, put some effort in, be part of the solution and not the problem. If not, get the feck out and leave your £250k+ salary at the door.

 

[crossy1686]

Agreed. Zirkzee happened to be the player subbed off when feelings boiled over, but I think it was unfair. There is a long queue of others at the club who deserve the wrath of the fans before Zirkzee.

So in your opinion, who deserved to be booed if you could have subbed someone else off instead of Zirkzee?

 

[Gentleman Jim]

I will, however, say that anyone in the United fanbase wanting Amorim sacked after being here 5 minutes - without even so much as a transfer window to his name, and inheriting a disjointed squad that is low on confidence - are pretty damn pathetic and ought to have a word with themselves.

We certainly agree on that.

The small number of idiots on Bluemoon speak for nobody but themselves but Pep and the board have dropped the ball somewhat lately and there's nothing wrong in holding them to account for that. City fans want better decisions not wholesale change.

Anyway, back to United's issues on this thread on the United section of this United forum shall we?

 

[KStandBarmyArmy1993]

When United (or any other team)have bee down in the 3rd tier with very little drop off in attendance, when they lose with such gallows humour as City do then we can discuss it.

If a few Johnny Come Lately's on an internet forum give a knee jerk opinion that a Manager who's been a stubborn boss, allowing talented young players to become disenchanted by not playing them enough even in crisis and a group of Directors who've allowed a side to grow old and failed to cover a catastrophic injury to City's prime asset are exempt from some criticism doesn't warrant a few toys flying out of prams maybe City's fanbase are bad.
You are predictably deflecting debate away from whether United's fanbase are acting honourably or not (I defended them in my post) by continuing your obsessive campaign about all things City.
As I said earlier there are plenty of different threads on this forum where you can do that.

Happy New Year.

Pretty much any team would retain a large % of their attendances. Leeds still had 30,000 ish, Sunderland got 35/40,000.

Probably get more than 3007 for an Auto Windscreens Shield match aswell .

 

[Mart1974]

Stretford End sang most of the game and drowned out most of the booing with Amorims Red Army.

It may not have come through the tv that way but Stretford End made me proud to be a Red during that dreadful performance.

I am in the North Stand next to the Stretford End. I could hear the singing and my stand joined in for a while but there were a lot of jeers when Zirkzee went off. Very disappointing, I don't think we should ever boo our own.

 

[CallyRed]

Only solution is banning the fans from the ground.

 

[Judas]

Booing your own player like we saw with Zirkzee was very Arsenal level, they’ve got a horrible culture towards their own players, it’s not something I like to see. I however have no problem with booing the team at half time and full time generally.

 

[Nearctic]

Come on, yous can all act superior—and have done—when other clubs have boo’d performances and sometimes individuals, so now it’s time to take it on the chin and just admit you’re no better than any other fans when things get bad. That’s evident. Booing your team, players and wanting managers gone after a few weeks.

No set of fans are worse than any other set with the possible exception of Liverpool fans, who are uniquely disturbing. As you were

 

[Salus Populi Suprema Lex]

So in your opinion, who deserved to be booed if you could have subbed someone else off instead of Zirkzee?

Nobody. I’m referring to the owners and board. The treatment of Zirkzee was unnecessary, IMHO.

 

[Wilt]

No he wouldn’t because those players were afforded the luxury of playing under a manager who everyone trusted and in a dressing room where they were held accountable by their peers. He just simply wouldn’t have played for United again if he didn’t prove himself in training and his performances. Evra didn’t become a great player because some fans clapped him while he was playing at testimonial pace.

Diamonds are made under intense pressure. You think it was easy being part of that squad and not being up to the standard demanded?

Now apply that nonsense you just posted to Zirkzee and our current state. You think clapping him off is going to put a rocket up his arse? You think the rest of the lads are holding him (and others, and themselves) accountable for the performances?

Theres no accountability, there’s no desire to improve, there are no standards of what’s acceptable anymore. The players have stopped trying and look around like someone else is going to save them from their own lack of effort. Booing is feedback, and feedback is necessary for improvement.

We’ve fecking clapped them off for over 10 years, how’s that working out? They lost 7-0 and still got clapped off, they consistently under perform and get clapped off, when are they going to get good for all the support they’re afforded?

It’s time people wake the feck up and realise the only reason this place is ‘toxic’ is because they don’t care anymore and they don’t have acceptable standards. Everything will stop being ‘toxic’ when they start putting in some effort and winning games. It’s totally within their control as to what happens next.

I hope they get booed off every week if they play like that. Get a grip of yourselves, put some effort in, be part of the solution and not the problem. If not, get the feck out and leave your £250k+ salary at the door.

Pretty much my thoughts too and no doubt that of many others.

 

[crossy1686]

Nobody. I’m referring to the owners and board. The treatment of Zirkzee was unnecessary, IMHO.

So certain individuals deserve the abuse but the people who can directly affect our issues shouldn’t be booed for not trying?

It sounds like a lot of people on here drastically want change but are afraid to hurt someone’s feelings in the process, unless of course they don’t play football, then you can abuse the shit out of them constantly.

It’s time to grow a pair of bollocks. If the worst thing that ever happened to Zirkzee was that he got booed once then he’s had a fantastic life. The reality is, he can take it one of two ways, first is that he feels horribly done by, totally unsupported, targeted and abused with zero support and he leaves, or he can take it as fan frustration at the game, the fact he was subbed off first and in the firing line, and that his own performance wasn’t good enough and he must strive for improvement.

If he in anyway shape of form thinks it’s the former, he has no business playing football at this level, and that goes for all the players.

 

[Salus Populi Suprema Lex]

So certain individuals deserve the abuse but the people who can directly affect our issues shouldn’t be booed for not trying?

It sounds like a lot of people on here drastically want change but are afraid to hurt someone’s feelings in the process, unless of course they don’t play football, then you can abuse the shit out of them constantly.

It’s time to grow a pair of bollocks. If the worst thing that ever happened to Zirkzee was that he got booed once then he’s had a fantastic life. The reality is, he can take it one of two ways, first is that he feels horribly done by, totally unsupported, targeted and abused with zero support and he leaves, or he can take it as fan frustration at the game, the fact he was subbed off first and in the firing line, and that his own performance wasn’t good enough and he must strive for improvement.

If he in anyway shape of form thinks it’s the former, he has no business playing football at this level, and that goes for all the players.

Booing and jeering a young player who has been here a short time doesn’t help anybody. By all means, boo them all off after another terrible performance, but I’m not for singling out Zirkzee like that. He is a tiny part of all that is wrong at United just now. Everyone must make up their own mind about what is acceptable and what isn’t. For me it was out of order and will probably prove counterproductive. Each to their own.

 

[crossy1686]

Booing and jeering a young player who has been here a short time doesn’t help anybody. By all means, boo them all off after another terrible performance, but I’m not for singling out Zirkzee like that. He is a tiny part of all that is wrong at United just now. Everyone must make up their own mind about what is acceptable and what isn’t. For me it was out of order and will probably prove counterproductive. Each to their own.

Why doesn’t it help? Serious question by the way. Would clapping him off have helped more? Maybe doing nothing? What’s the acceptable response to one of the poorest individual and team performances you’ve seen in recent years?

 

[Red00012]

Whoever was been subbed off was getting booed off I’d be thinking

 

[Salus Populi Suprema Lex]

Why doesn’t it help? Serious question by the way. Would clapping him off have helped more? Maybe doing nothing? What’s the acceptable response to one of the poorest individual and team performances you’ve seen in recent years?

Why doesn’t it help when thousands of people berate a young player who is playing badly? Come on, you don’t need someone to explain that.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Why doesn’t it help? Serious question by the way. Would clapping him off have helped more? Maybe doing nothing? What’s the acceptable response to one of the poorest individual and team performances you’ve seen in recent years?

Booing the team would have been fine. Abusing an individual young player who was already being punished by the manager with such an early substitution was definitely unnecessary. That was one of his first starts at Old Trafford too. Just a shitty way for it to end all round. And he wasn’t even the worst performer on the day.

I remember us all ripping the piss out of Arsenal fans when they broke Eboue and turned on Xhaka. A good rule of thumb is never be like Arsenal fans.

 

[Judas]

Why doesn’t it help? Serious question by the way. Would clapping him off have helped more? Maybe doing nothing? What’s the acceptable response to one of the poorest individual and team performances you’ve seen in recent years?

I think pure silence would have done a job. It’s embarrassing enough for a player to be taken off after what half an hour without a stadium reacting like that. I get it was an act of frustration from a pissed off crowd, but I’d hate for that to become a regular reaction towards individuals.

 

[crossy1686]

Why doesn’t it help when thousands of people berate a young player who is playing badly? Come on, you don’t need someone to explain that.

Who’s berating anyone? He played badly and got feedback on his performance. For some reason some of you are incapable from separating the person from the behaviour. No one berated his character, no one booed him because they fundamentally dislike him as a person, he played absolutely shit and the crowd let him know, and the others know it wasn’t acceptable. Anything other from that reaction is acceptance of what has become. It’s simply unacceptable and tolerance has gone at this point.

 

[Chumpsbechumps]

So certain individuals deserve the abuse but the people who can directly affect our issues shouldn’t be booed for not trying?

It sounds like a lot of people on here drastically want change but are afraid to hurt someone’s feelings in the process, unless of course they don’t play football, then you can abuse the shit out of them constantly.

It’s time to grow a pair of bollocks. If the worst thing that ever happened to Zirkzee was that he got booed once then he’s had a fantastic life. The reality is, he can take it one of two ways, first is that he feels horribly done by, totally unsupported, targeted and abused with zero support and he leaves, or he can take it as fan frustration at the game, the fact he was subbed off first and in the firing line, and that his own performance wasn’t good enough and he must strive for improvement.

If he in anyway shape of form thinks it’s the former, he has no business playing football at this level, and that goes for all the players.

That’s nonsense from start to finish.

People have every right to be ar**holes. They can boo and insult players/managers at ground and online. But it doesn’t make them any less massive bell ends.

Cheering off the players we need to find confidence is like banging your head with a hammer to fix a headache. It’s stupidly self destructive and makes the issue worse.

Every single person who has played football could relate to zirks as we have all had moments while playing were we were really embarrassed and wanted a hole to swallow us up. It’s very rare we can relate to any of these footballers but showing empathy to them is far more likely to get a response from them then showing them contempt.

And any youngster at United or potential signing wouldn’t be watching that and looking forward to play for us. I’d say it doesn’t make trying to encourage players to join us any easier either.

It was moronic , from morons who are like the village of Springfield idiots cutting off their noses to spite their face.

 

[RedIan]

This forum has always had a vociferous but small toxic element. They do not represent the wider fan base. The toxicity in here is always simmering and waiting to boil over. Be it attacking individual players or managers. It doesnt take much.

I like Amourin and given the resources i think he will succeed. It strikes me his appointment was not thought through. No one at the club analysed our squad and came up with the obvious conclusion its not capable of a 343 system and that a lot of money, money that we dont have needs spending to reshape too Amourins system.

Its a mess

 

[Daengophile]

The people who need the boos are Ineos

The people who need to react to improve the situation are Ineos

One side effect of booing Zirkzee may be a reluctance to bring other youngsters into play at a time where they may benefit the team and can get some hours from a dead season

 

[crossy1686]

I think pure silence would have done a job. It’s embarrassing enough for a player to be taken off after what half an hour without a stadium reacting like that. I get it was an act of frustration from a pissed off crowd, but I’d hate for that to become a regular reaction towards individuals.

It won’t if they buck their ideas up, they’re in control of what happens next. No one is going to boo them if they at least run themselves into the ground. Support starts with showing that you care

 

[Andycoleno9]

I can’t quite believe what I am seeing from the armchair experts, a mere couple of months into the new managers reign. The lack of patience is astounding, and there are people here who genuinely want to sack Amorim.

Booing and sarcastically cheering our own player off the park as they are substituted in the first half. As if anything positive could ever come from that.

I can’t think of a worse fan group.

Snowflake thread of the year.

 

[gulli_G]

I bet Sir Jim charged him to park his bike outside OT too, tight arse.

, probably charged him per mile all the way from Mongolia.

 

[Loka_92]

Erm…I think if you ask WHY we are in this place is because of the fans being too LENIENT for over 10 years. When the club was at its lowest multiple times in our decline, the fans just clap when we lose. The players take it as if it is okay to no try their best or it’s okay if the club loses a match.

To the contrary, we need fans to express themselves more. We had been called the best fans time and time again over our 10 year spell, but it was always because we supported our team and clapped our players unconditionally. At big clubs like Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern Munich, they would have stood for this shit football from day one.

If we had this response from day 1, we would not be in this position- trust me.

Totally agree.
United fans have been very kind from a long time.
How many times the fans clap the players after disgusting performances? A lot.
We, as a fan, have the right to ask a minimum of fighting spirit from the players. When many people are sacrifying themself to go to Old trafford or to go away, its a massive budget.

When you guys, at work, are not good enough, your boss will never look at you and clap you for the work you have done. He will show his dissatisfaction first and then encourage you to keep improving.

We must express our discontent because it is lasting since many years and we have to say stop.
If you do not reprimand a Child, he will do what he wants !

 

[fps]

When it’s merited, I don’t have an issue with fans displaying their anger. Surely we have that right. I just think it was unfair on Zirkzee. It isn’t his fault we are a shambles. He is a young player who only arrived in the summer; I thought the reaction to his substitution was out of order. He had a terrible game, but they all did, including a number of much more experienced players. It just felt like a mob picking on an easy target. He got it because he was the one hooked after half an hour, but I felt for him, and I don’t think Amorim should have done that to him. Take him off at half time.

I agree that it feels strange that Zirkzee was the target of such ire, even if he was the sacrificial lamb for a whole team. It also feels like punching down - what, Casemiro’s performances have been good enough for the club lately have they? Or does he get a pass because he used to be good at another club and the fans are all starstruck? So in that sense it was quite a cowardly choice.

But my god it was one of the worst half hours of football I’ve ever seen from a Man Utd first team player. And maybe some of the others will have a think about how much they try during matches from here out.

 

[mandy lou]

I can’t quite believe what I am seeing from the armchair experts, a mere couple of months into the new managers reign. The lack of patience is astounding, and there are people here who genuinely want to sack Amorim.

Booing and sarcastically cheering our own player off the park as they are substituted in the first half. As if anything positive could ever come from that.

I can’t think of a worse fan group.

I agree, I don’t like the booing, I understand why they did it, but like garnachio, he started getting nervous playing, it doesn’t do their confidence any good, we are making it worse for them.

 

[Alex23]

Worst fans in the world because we tolerated this decline, because we stayed quiet and lowered our expectations. We behave like fans of a club like Wolves or Leicester but brag that we are the biggest club in the world.
Do you think that the biggest club in the world fans woud tolerate 11 years of failure and incompetence? Do you think Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern Munchen fans would tolerate this shambles?

 

[fps]

Totally agree.
United fans have been very kind from a long time.
How many times the fans clap the players after disgusting performances? A lot.
We, as a fan, have the right to ask a minimum of fighting spirit from the players. When many people are sacrifying themself to go to Old trafford or to go away, its a massive budget.

When you guys, at work, are not good enough, your boss will never look at you and clap you for the work you have done. He will show his dissatisfaction first and then encourage you to keep improving.

We must express our discontent because it is lasting since many years and we have to say stop.
If you do not reprimand a Child, he will do what he wants !

As I said earlier, you’d think it was the fans who were paid, not the players, the way some people go on.

Booing and jeering a young player who has been here a short time doesn’t help anybody. By all means, boo them all off after another terrible performance, but I’m not for singling out Zirkzee like that. He is a tiny part of all that is wrong at United just now. Everyone must make up their own mind about what is acceptable and what isn’t. For me it was out of order and will probably prove counterproductive. Each to their own.

It does help. It says “Put more effort in or it’ll happen again, you need to work harder.”

 

[Ayush_reddevil]

Nothing wrong with fans showing their anger, wish we had done that more over the last decade.

 

[Ichabod Ferguson]

In 10 years the club has gone from winning leagues to scrapping around at the bottom of the table almost the entire time being cheered on enthusiastically by a fan base that is convinced that if only you believe things will magically turn around.

Over the summer over half of you wanted to keep and back ten Hag. Rashford got over a year of sympathy for walking around a football pitch dropping stinkers, Pogba still has a small but vocal fan base, selling players like McTominay and AWB who were regularly slated for being crap saw plenty of people complain. The most we ever got was a smattering of boos for managers about 3 months after it was clear to everyone that their time was up and a couple of protests against the Glazers once every 2 or 3 years.

There is no other fan base of a big club in world football that would have tolerated the complete and utter dismantling of any standards, aspiration and status at their club in the way ours have done and yet there's still absolute bed wetting that, god forbid, the fans are finally fed up with it.

Zirkzee is fairly unfortunate to be the first victim, but he hasn't helped himself either. In some ways, he's emblematic of the problem: a player who is very obviously not up to the level who doesn't have the decency to put a shift in and decided to skip pre-season on a holiday after a tournament he didn't have a kick in. Nice lad off the pitch he may be, and he can consider himself unfortunate that it wasn't Rashford getting hooked for the same reason (in the hypothetical situation where he was playing), but we can't pretend that other fans of other clubs would not vent their anger in the same situation as ours did.

It doesn't have to be terminal for him, Modric got booed at Madrid before becoming an all time great for them. He'll get plenty of love next time he plays and whilst I think ultimately he'll never be good enough he will definitely earn a lot more leeway if he shows on the pitch that it matters to him.