The worst fans in the world

United fans are just frustrated and the easiest way to vent that frustration is online.

Im pretty sure literally every United fan is 100% behind the manager, they have seen many times these players cannot play any system very well and a complete overhaul is the only option, something this manager is willing to do.

This season might be a complete write off in terms of success, but it will be used as a kick start to better times.

Every United fan based channel and forums are pretty toxic right now, much easier to just limit the amount i view right now :)
 
crossy1686 said:
There’s languid and there’s not running into space when you don’t have the ball. He does both. If we know he wasn’t good enough, and we also know he bore the brunt of frustrations at how shit we were collectively, then he and the coaching staff also know that.

People keep saying that booing doesn’t help, but it’s feedback, and feedback helps shape people to be better. What’s worse is giving people inaccurate feedback, how can they possibly improve if they’re not aware that they aren’t reaching where they should be?

He isn’t good enough, I agree, will he ever been good enough? Probably not, but this is a learning moment for him and he’ll be better for it in the long run. United fans are super tolerant, we will accept being beaten as long as the players are trying, the thing is, they’re not trying anymore. Everyone needs a massive wake up call before we find ourselves in a relegation dogfight that they don’t have the stomach for.
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Martinez and Casemiro, for example, were just as bad if not worse than Zirkzee. There was no need to pick on a kid who has only been here about four months. He looks completely lost and out of his depth.
 
United's fans are ridiculously forgiving and back players and managers far longer than most. Madrid's fans are the most entitled in the world - and that attitude hasn't done them any harm. Fan expectations are part of setting standards unfortunately.
 
The poor lad embodies everything wrong with United. A guy bought for quite a lot of money and he's obviously not good enough. Scouted, recommended and signed by staff that has no idea what it is doing and has burnt enormous sums in the past decade. He has zero attributes needed in the PL.
 
Godfather said:
The poor lad embodies everything wrong with United. A guy bought for quite a lot of money and he's obviously not good enough. Scouted, recommended and signed by staff that has no idea what it is doing and has burnt enormous sums in the past decade. He has zero attributes needed in the PL.
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This is the worrying bit - what are our scouts doing if they're suggesting players like Zirkzee. He's clearly not able for the physicality.
 
Crackers said:
This, especially given the fact we've had to deal with this shite for a decade
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Unfortunately now we are at a point lower than we have ever been. I am not british but I understand the british culture of supporting your team no matter what. Latin fans from Spain or Italy who are far less tolerant when it comes to team's results are a lot different but that does not mean that they do not support their club.
 
fergiewherearethou said:
Unfortunately now we are at a point lower than we have ever been. I am not british but I understand the british culture of supporting your team no matter what. Latin fans from Spain or Italy who are far less tolerant when it comes to team's results are a lot different but that does not mean that they do not support their club.
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Agreed, United fans are far more patient as fans than Italians or Spanish would be.
 
Salus Populi Suprema Lex said:
Martinez and Casemiro, for example, were just as bad if not worse than Zirkzee. There was no need to pick on a kid who has only been here about four months. He looks completely lost and out of his depth.
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They all deserve booing for equally shocking performances and giving up, no one person deserves it more than the other. People’s patience isn’t never ending, Zirkzee just ended up in the firing line considering we could have been 4-0 down by the point he went off.
 
The utd fans I know are frustrated on what's happening, and it's a fix which can happen but it's going to take years . Not as many as some think imo .
 
Club is toxic at every level lately.
 
Utter nonsense. Can you imagine what kind of treatment ETH would have received at the hands of Madrid or Liverpool supporters had he been as shit for them? And most of Old Trafford was still behind him even after the West Ham defeat. Our collective tempers are boiling over after nearly 12 years of us being a joke on and off the pitch and who can blame us? Only this season for the first time relegation doesn't look impossible.
 
Remember the geese said:
Pretty damn patient and forgiving fanbase I'd say. Though I do concur when it comes to Amorim. It's embarrassing that some want him gone after a month in the job. Match going fans are fully behind him.
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Does anyone want him gone?

I think he’s being stubborn and pigheaded, and I’m worried if he continues down this path he’ll be fired.
I don’t want him fired, I want him to stop being stubborn and find a way to ensure he doesn’t get fired.
 
What a crap title this thread
United fans are one of the most patience fans after enduring years of mediocrity

It’s a good wake up call to the players who do nothing and just jog around like what zirkzee did

Players have to take responsibility for their performance
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Does anyone want him gone?

I think he’s being stubborn and pigheaded, and I’m worried if he continues down this path he’ll be fired.
I don’t want him fired, I want him to stop being stubborn and find a way to ensure he doesn’t get fired.
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Yeah, some do. I've seen posts on here that reflect that. Stubborn in what sense? What would you like him to alter?
 
I really hate the body language people using this as an excuse as well.

Trying to justify a player needs booing because he isn't blindly running around like a headless chicken is so wrong.

Hojlund has been terrible too but because he runs more it's ok?

It's nonsense
 
Reality is Manchester United are a couple of bad results away from being in a relegation fight.

If a few hundred fans booing them is the wake up call they need, then I want to hear booing every match.
 
lsd said:
I really hate the body language people using this as an excuse as well.

Trying to justify a player needs booing because he isn't blindly running around like a headless chicken is so wrong.

Hojlund has been terrible too but because he runs more it's ok?

It's nonsense
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It isn't nonsense. Zirkzee has a very languid style. When everything is clicking he can look silky smooth. However, when nothing works, all you see is a player who lacks intensity and aggression. That's before you get to the technical failings. It isn't a good look. You simply can't just float like a butterfly without stinging like a bee.
 
Wonder how the fans who spend 2k a season for the last 10 years travelling up and down the country home and away feel to be told they are the worst fans in the world, toxic and don’t support their team.

Disgusting thread.
 
RuudTom83 said:
Reality is Manchester United are a couple of bad results away from being in a relegation fight.

If a few hundred fans booing them is the wake up call they need, then I want to hear booing every match.
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Roy Keane said the other week that the team he played in wouldn't have been 13th at this point in the season because people would have quite literally been murdered before it got this bad, not referring to himself, but referring to the group of lads in the changing room who held each other accountable for their performances, and seeing as that isn't happening within the squad currently, with the exception of the manager, someone has to hold these guys accountable for the way they play and their pathetic acceptance of where they have allowed their standards to slide. They all look around like there's nothing anyone can do about what's happening, it's literally in your hands lads, you're out there kicking the ball all over the fecking place and not running.
 
crossy1686 said:
Roy Keane said the other week that the team he played in wouldn't have been 13th at this point in the season because people would have quite literally been murdered before it got this bad, not referring to himself, but referring to the group of lads in the changing room who held each other accountable for their performances, and seeing as that isn't happening within the squad currently, with the exception of the manager, someone has to hold these guys accountable for the way they play and their pathetic acceptance of where they have allowed their standards to slide. They all look around like there's nothing anyone can do about what's happening, it's literally in your hands lads, you're out there kicking the ball all over the fecking place and not running.
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100%

It's bizarre how they start every match as if everything is ok, a little huddle and a few fist bumps and then ready to go, 5 mins later 1-nil down, a few glum faces and the game get going again.

Nobody ever digs someone out on the pitch, on the one occasion it happened Hojlund/Amad it's back page news that's how rare it is.

But I want to see them angry at kick off! they should be ashamed of where they have taken this club.
 
Worst fans in the fecking world? Give your head a wobble! Real Madrid fans wave their white handkerchiefs at players and manager after 2-3 bad results.

Our fans clap and cheer the manager off the pitch after a 7-0 thrashing by Liverpool.

If anything United fans are far too patient!
 
FriedClams said:
I can’t quite believe what I am seeing from the armchair experts, a mere couple of months into the new managers reign. The lack of patience is astounding, and there are people here who genuinely want to sack Amorim.

Booing and sarcastically cheering our own player off the park as they are substituted in the first half. As if anything positive could ever come from that.

I can’t think of a worse fan group.
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I'm unsure why an audience of thousands, who have paid ridiculous amounts of money for a ticket, are not entitled to vent their frustration at that moment at a highly paid professional? Works for me.

I was watching the game in a bar in a different country with about 10-15 other United fans who all reacted the same way. I'm pretty sure most United fans watching on TV reacted the same way. Why would it be any different if you're sitting in the stadium?

A fair few years ago I saw Axl Rose get booed off at a Guns n Roses gig by a couple thousand die hard Gunners (nowt to do with Arsenal) and given his performance and lack of being arsed about it, I'd say it was deserved.

Paying fans are entitled to voice their frustration, as long as it isn't violent or prejudiced, it's fine, and in football it's literally their only outlet, as the distance between a team, a club, a player and a fan has never been bigger than it is today. These are human beings yes, but they are coddled human beings constantly told that nothing is their fault, and that they're world beaters who deserve big stages and big wages - meanwhile it is fans who feel the pain and are the ones out of pocket and they're just expected to sit by and accept years of mediocrity. Do me a favour.
 
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Oh, I thought this thread was going to criticise the idiots who have politely clapped and cheered the club all the way to its current position of near complete irrelevance.

Nothing wrong with sending a message to the players. Don’t want to be upset? Try running during a game of professional football.

The way some of you talk you’d think the crowd were being paid not the players.
 
FriedClams said:
I can’t quite believe what I am seeing from the armchair experts, a mere couple of months into the new managers reign. The lack of patience is astounding, and there are people here who genuinely want to sack Amorim.

Booing and sarcastically cheering our own player off the park as they are substituted in the first half. As if anything positive could ever come from that.

I can’t think of a worse fan group.
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The amount of fans on this forum telling the manager to change, or wanting him sacked soon, is hilarious and pathetic in equal measure. The last decade of misery has turned them into Blue Moon posters.
 
LukeChadwick36 said:
Stretford End sang most of the game and drowned out most of the booing with Amorims Red Army.

It may not have come through the tv that way but Stretford End made me proud to be a Red during that dreadful performance.
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Newcastle fans were loud all game (or at least the mixing of the sound on TV made it appear that way), but it did show the Stretford End applauding Zirkzee as he went down the tunnel after coming off. Given the volume of the Newcastle chants, and then the cheer when Zirkzee was subbed, I assumed it was the Newcastle fans cheering that we'd been forced into a rare 1st half sub, rather than United fans.
 
SteveCoppellFan said:
United fans are just frustrated and the easiest way to vent that frustration is online.

Im pretty sure literally every United fan is 100% behind the manager, they have seen many times these players cannot play any system very well and a complete overhaul is the only option, something this manager is willing to do.

This season might be a complete write off in terms of success, but it will be used as a kick start to better times.

Every United fan based channel and forums are pretty toxic right now, much easier to just limit the amount i view right now :)
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I can only think many of these fans throwing their toys out of the pram online haven’t experienced much adversity in their lives.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Does anyone want him gone?

I think he’s being stubborn and pigheaded, and I’m worried if he continues down this path he’ll be fired.
I don’t want him fired, I want him to stop being stubborn and find a way to ensure he doesn’t get fired.
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Some on here are saying they do, I haven't spoke to anyone personally who thinks he should be fired. That would be madness.

I disagree with you though, I don't think he's being stubborn and pig-headed - I think he's doing exactly what he said he would do when he came here. He has an idea he believes in. He thinks that idea will work given time. He has sold this idea to the higher-ups and I'm sure they also believe in it, and understand it is a long term approach. Otherwise he wouldn't have been giving clear warnings about how we must suffer at first to implement a successful playing structure.

Of course, he may tweak his "idea" - he has said as much.

But he won't revert to a system that suits the limitations of the current playing squad to pursue this notion of short term success above all else, because that is not progressive for the club, or indeed the fans. That does not give the club a chance to reset, which we all know is sorely needed. Previous attempts to reset the culture of the club have failed because bad decision after bad decision has been made.

Ultimately, if this approach gets him fired I believe he will be at peace with that, because in his eyes it will mean the club haven't backed him or trusted him appropriately and without being privy to the conversations he had with the owners prior to appoint him, it would be hard to argue with that.

We cannot continuously hire someone to head up long term changes, with an acknowledgement that it may take time, then shit ourselves when it looks like we're not going to immediately make top 4 at the first attempt, and not even a full season at that.
 
TheReligion said:
The cheering is for Kobbie. It’s quite clear on the video.
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No one is complaining about the cheering apart from G Nev who, as ever, is saying something that's completely wrong. He gets jeered, booed, whistled at and then they cheer Kobbie on.
 
Westerkerk said:
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Ultimately, if this approach gets him fired I believe he will be at peace with that, because in his eyes it will mean the club haven't backed him or trusted him appropriately and without being privy to the conversations he had with the owners prior to appoint him, it would be hard to argue with that.
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Disagree strongly, he’s said since day one that he must EARN time and trust, and that is done by winning football matches.
That’s actually the thing I like most about him, how honest he is with the way football works. He knows full well that if he dies on this hill of his, it’s not due to lack of backing or trust, it’s because this club absolutely cannot and will not afford to gamble on relegation.
It’s stubbornness to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result, so I assume we’ll see some changes in the coming fixtures. I’d be amazed to see us line with Maz & Dalot again as our wide options.
 
I hated the booing of Zirkzee. I hope he gets some support in the coming days. Unfortunately I think he paid the price for the awful start following a bad run of results where a lot of United fans have reached peak frustration. Even if they’d subbed off a different player, they’d have likely got the same treatment.

I didn’t boo him and it made me a bit uncomfortable. I was more proud of the second half chanting from the Stretford End as we tried to spur the team on to a come back which sadly, didn’t look like materialising.

Hopefully we can do a better job getting behind the team for the rest of the season because we’ve got some tough times ahead, and with our fragility, the players certainly need it.
 
Regulus Arcturus Black said:
Disagree strongly, he’s said since day one that he must EARN time and trust, and that is done by winning football matches.
That’s actually the thing I like most about him, how honest he is with the way football works. He knows full well that if he dies on this hill of his, it’s not due to lack of backing or trust, it’s because this club absolutely cannot and will not afford to gamble on relegation.
It’s stubbornness to keep doing the same thing and expect a different result, so I assume we’ll see some changes in the coming fixtures. I’d be amazed to see us line with Maz & Dalot again as our wide options.
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Your argument is based on the threat of relegation, which is not currently a real threat because it's still December and there is scope for progress, if the process that he has been brought in to implement is trusted and backed.

We're 2 points off Spurs in 11th, who also have poor and inconsistent form despite having a so-called settled manager. No one at Spurs is thinking about relegation. Given the amount of football there is to play, you may as well throw them into the relegation conversation too and get that fanbase panicking. We are 5 points off Brighton - who we are saying we should beat at home. Want to throw them into the mix too?

You are sensationalising something that isn't being worried about by anyone who makes decisions at the football club, at least right now with 19 league games left to play. It is not as if we are 19/20th and adrift.

And of course sacking him would definitely be to do with lack of backing or trust - it couldn't be anything else - he wanted to come to United in the Summer, and was told no. To come mid-season would have been based on several compromises regarding impact, performance, forward planning and backing in the transfer market. Regardless whether he tweaks or changes his system, to not give him a full transfer window, or the rest of the season, would be a very poor reflection of this club, and indeed be as I said - a lack of backing and trust - as that is the whole basis on which he was appointed!

When you worry unnecessarily about relegation in December when you're in 14th place in a tight table, you throw reason out of the window and start to shit the bed - let's hope the decision makers of this club are slightly more patient.
 
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