It's insane that Liverpool might find themselves losing Alexander-Arnold and Salah in the same summer for free.
What a massive screw up for Liverpool.
What a massive screw up for Liverpool.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran discuss a horrific month of December and a depressing FOUR defeats in a row - the latest coming against Wolves and Newcastle.
They discuss how much blame is on Ruben Amorim and rank our squad against other Premier League teams.
Do we have any chance of avoiding defeat at Anfield?
Whenever I've seen him, he's looked better defending this season, I've certainly not seen him as exposed as in previous seasons.
As long as you have a mobile quick centre back that can cover him like Liverpool currently have with Konate then that will mitigate a lot of the issues as well.
That's definitely overplayed, Trent isn't the best defensive fullback of course but he's nowhere near as bad as a lot of opposition fans claim, VVD is also grossly overrated by most opposition fans, and the Cafe seem to think Liverpool are an average squad overall at best :-)
To be fair, Owen did not help take you to the top. Nor leave you there. Even worse he returned to England and played for a United before he retired. I'd be very surprised if any Liverpool fans harbor any bad blood towards Trent for seeking a new challenge as big as Real Madrid at this point in his career.
For a defender he is very very average. Without adequate protection his a liability. At a Real Madrid though he wont lack protection though. So it will be a moot point
Yeah without Kroos and Modric near the end, Madrid have plenty of athletic, defensive midfielders but not many creators so he would fit them pretty well if they use him correctly I’d say.
You make it sound as if he is some sort of Alvaro Morata.
A mercenary is surely someone who goes purely for the money, back when to China or now to Saudi. If he goes, I don't believe it's about money, always nice to get a bit more, but am sure he'd be happy with his terms at Liverpool, would be next captain and end up top earner if not right now. Madrid and Barca have just always been a glamour lure for many players, Madrid potentially building a new Galacticos, doesn't always work out though. I think more fans than not would wish him well if he goes, online is always going to be more of the negative opinions being expressed.
Yeah, wanting to play for more than one big club in your career doesn't make you a mercenary, it just makes you a normal footballer.
Few players turn down the opportunity to go to Real Madrid. And the timing makes a lot of sense. Despite the incredible season they are having, Liverpool is pretty clearly near the end of a cycle given the age and contract status of their best two players and the overall level of competition in the Premier League. They are going to have do some substantial rebuilding during Trent's remaining prime. Real Madrid, in comparison, has built a young super team and Trent is arguably one of the few remaining missing pieces (alongside at least one new CB) to a side that should be challenging for league and CL every season. And they are are likely willing to pay him a lot more. Real Madrid gets him a better chance at big trophies, substantially more money, and a new kind of challenge.
They are staying. Just usual contract talks. In a week you will see "breaking news" how they both extended contracts.
I have a feeling that his Real Madrid infatuation is partly driven by that goal he has to be a Ballon D'or winner one day because it cannot rationally be anything else. Liverpool are the best team in Europe and are surely the favourites at this point in time for the CL so it can't be to win trophies. He is going to get a massive pay upgrade at Liverpool which would probably make the highest paid RB on the planet so it can't be money.
In any case, he's not going to win the Ballon D'or at Real either. So is it worth burning the bridge with Liverpool?
In any case, he's not going to win the Ballon D'or at Real either. So is it worth burning the bridge with Liverpool?
Real Madrid will offer him a lot more money than Liverpool will pay. And while Liverpool may have the better chance of winning CL this spring (even this is debatable), obviously Real Madrid offers a better chance at that trophy over the next five years that would be the lifetime of a new contract.
The Ballon D'or thing is ridiculous because a RB will never win it and certainly a RB in the same side as attacking megastars like Mbappe, Vini, Jude, etc isn't going to win it. His chances at Liverpool and Real Madrid are exactly the same - zero.
Madrid has its own allure and realistically how long will Liverpool continue to perform at this level. I know a lot of people are lauding Arne Slot as a genius but it is worth pointing out that he has not won anything yet and so far this season Liverpool have not had too many significant injury issues and they have benefitted from Salah playing out of his mind. Once you add in that City have collapsed and Arsenal as usual have shat the bed once the pressure was on and it has been fairly plain sailing so far. That will not always be the case but in Spain he would only have to worry about a cash strapped Barcelona and my mate Gareth says they have some great golf courses over there, if I were him I would leave.
I take it you missed the news earlier?
He simply seems to lack the defensive nous to his game. Seen him get tore up too many times against average PL players and often not alert off the ball. Admittedly every successor to Carvajal was going to be a step down but still.
Would’ve loved Reece James if we were gonna sign an English FB…sadly he injures a body part every 5 steps he takes.
TAA is gone in the summer imo. I think it’s already decided.
Madrid don’t make an offer if they arent already confident
There is now way the Madrid are getting him now for 20-25 million. First of all he wouldn’t leave the club on their way to a 20th league and possibly more trophies. Why would he leave when he can wait till summer and get crazy wages after winning right now. God I hope we play Madrid in the CL again and batter them.
This is so so bad. RAWK incarnate. Write it as a Tweet and it can grow a life of its own.
What the actual feck is that?
I'm pretty sure he's off to Madrid. Fair play to him if that's what he wants, like to think it wouldn't be for me if I was in his shoes but everyone's diffferent. Seems to want that fame and Balon D'or thing.
Think that if I'd won the league, FA Cup and CL with the club I support that chasing further glory wouldn't really mean much at all to me but who knows unless in his shoes? Just don't see winning the Spanish league or cup as anything after that, not when I'm English. Vice versa if I was Spanish, wouldn't be arsed about moving to a big English club if I grew up as a Barcelona or Madrid fan and won stuff there. Chuck in Bayern, PSG maybe the big clubs in Italy too in the mix if I'd grown up there and won major honours with the team I love. Nowhere else would seem that attractive.
Would think I'd stay at Liverpool for life like Gerrard, Scholes/Giggs at United or do something absolutely random like going to play in Norwegian fjords because I liked the scenery, the Swiss mountains or off to Japan because the culture is interesting. I know players normally do that later in their career, but he's already set for life financially, might as well make it interesting. It's not like matching the highest paid player for Molde, Lausanne or Tokyo Verdy is a paupers life. Still living large in an amazing setting with millions already in your bank account.
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I find that a weirdly dismissive view of an opportunity for a new challenge, playing at the biggest club in the world and living in Spain, learning the language. I think he'd be crazy to leave in January, given the opportunity he has to win more trophies with scousers this season though.What the actual feck is that?
I'm pretty sure he's off to Madrid. Fair play to him if that's what he wants, like to think it wouldn't be for me if I was in his shoes but everyone's diffferent. Seems to want that fame and Balon D'or thing.
Think that if I'd won the league, FA Cup and CL with the club I support that chasing further glory wouldn't really mean much at all to me but who knows unless in his shoes? Just don't see winning the Spanish league or cup as anything after that, not when I'm English. Vice versa if I was Spanish, wouldn't be arsed about moving to a big English club. Chuck in Bayern, PSG maybe Italy too in the mix if I'd grown up there and won major honours with the team I love. Nowhere else would seem that attractive.
Would think I'd stay at Liverpool for life like Gerrard, Scholes/Giggs at United or do something absolutely random like going to play in Norwegian fjords because I liked the scenery, the Swiss mountains or off to Japan because the culture is interesting. I know players normally do that later in their career, but he's already set for life financially, might as well make it interesting. It's not like matching the highest paid player for Molde, Lausanne or Tokyo Verdy is a paupers life. Still living large in an amazing setting with millions already in your bank account.
Wouldn't like to say it was dismissive, just saying what would me tick on a personal level.
I'm fine with whatever he wants to do personally, and would be happy to acknowledge what I want out of life is a bit different from your typical footballer. But then I'm older so see the world through a different sort of lens and being a bit of a weirdo certainly helps.
I don't think winning big trophies in a big league where I've already won big trophies in another big league for my hometown club is that appealing though. Sure, if I grew up in a smaller country/league and won things there, I'd want to move to England, Spain, Italy or Germany to test myself. Madrid after already conquering the PL and having a CL medal in England as an Englishman doesn't seem all that though. Just don't think it would have the same meaning and it's nothing new. It's just another big club, but one that doesn't as mean as much to me on a personal level. La Liga / Copa del Rey nowhere near as culturally relevant as the PL/ FA Cup and he's already won a CL so winning that for them would be nothing new.
Edit: If I was a Spanish Barcelona or Real fan and was lucky enough to play for them, a move to England wouldn't be one I'd be desperate to make. If I was a German Bayern fan playing for them I wouldn't be that keen to move here either. Same thing. The chance to win trophies in England wouldn't be as appealling as the chance to win more of the trophies I watched my heroes lifting when growing up, I don't think they'd matter in comparison. Emulate Xavi/Iniesta/Messi as a Spanish Barcelona fan vs moving to England and winning something Scholes/Lampard/Beckham won a few times? No contest.
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It's obviously all down to petsonal preference. Can see the appeal of being a one club local hero like Scholes, but winning titles in two countries puts you in an elite band, particularly regarding CLs.
The Spanish food, weather and culture is also very enticing. My view is definitely coloured by moving away and realising what a great experience it can be to experience life elsewhere for a bit.
I still remember his arrogant little post after the Carabao win before it all fell apart. He is the perfect candidate to do this jump. He is a right back, but the arrogance is unrivaled.
He's 26 that's too early for Japan, Iniesta played there in his late 30s no? He's never going to win a BdO but the ability to say he was part of a top RM side with the coaching and media opportunities that open up post-retirement are probably what he seeks.
On the other hand Madrid fans don't see TAA's transfer as essential, he's more of a nice to have and a way for RM to sign a friend of Jude's so he feels more comfortable among the Brazilians and French contingents.
Jude being there makes it an easier move for him. An English speaker to help any adjustment. But also they can continue their sickening bromance.
He’s won the lot at Liverpool. Wouldn’t be at all surprised by the RM attraction. Brilliant city, weather…increased salary. Surrounded by superstars. It’s quite an attractive proposition
He’s won the lot at Liverpool. Wouldn’t be at all surprised by the RM attraction. Brilliant city, weather…increased salary. Surrounded by superstars. It’s quite an attractive proposition
He’ll be a revelation at Madrid and earn plaudits that are impossible to achieve in England. His profile will go through the roof there once he starts pinging the ball around and setting up assists for others. A much lesser Marcelo with a much bigger PR team.
That and didn't he pretty much say he'd rather win the Balon d'Or over the world cup or something? Yikes.
He can't even keep up with Salah and VVD's PR setup.... you think it'll go through the roof when competing with Mbappe, Jude and Vini?
Though, yes, I do feel the defence stuff will just disappear while playing for Madrid. That probably annoys him to be fair, people expecting him to be some vintage right back defensively when it's not even his role
Yeah, it’s unbelievable levels of arrogance from an RB. Salah seems a lot more humble and is a much better footballer.
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I don't get why you're so wound up about it.
I don't get why you're so wound up about it.
I just happen to think he has a very grating and annoying personality. It doesn’t really affect me personally though, aside from the ten seconds it took to write that post.
So do we think he will actually have the stomach to see this through or will he shit his pants like Gerrard did?
Hopefully we get to see a good old shirt burning at anfield soon
Hopefully we get to see a good old shirt burning at anfield soon
Yeah Trent’s got that “arrogance” about him which isn’t always a bad thing I guess, especially not at the level they’re operating at. And it’s going to be needed at a club like Madrid or they’ll eat you alive over there.
Yeah, I guess there has to be a degree of arrogance to play at that level. And you are right about Madrid, you definitely need that swagger.
Agreed. That crowd isn’t renowned for their patience. So you’ll need that chip on your shoulder to bounce back from any sort of criticism or scrutiny.
Put it this way: if he'd been playing for us all these years, with that level of performance and impact, the discourse around him would be "is he going to be the greatest right back ever" vs "is he already the greatest right back ever"
At Liverpool, it's "but he can't defend"
Disagree on him being a much lesser Marcelo, too. Think he's at that level