Trent Alexander Arnold

Maluco said:
How many players look good in the PL at 34/35 these days? The likes of de Bruyne can’t seem to play more than a half.

It was important to keep them for a few years, but they have lost the one with real monetary value for the club, and not even tied down the other two yet.

It’s a disaster for a club that gets lauded for being so well run.
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KDB has never been remotely supper fit. So he is a poor example.

This is a league in which Giggs, Zola and Bergkamp operated into late 30s at a world class level. Where Zlatan and CR7 arrived in mid 40s and were amongst top scorers. Where Thiago Silva thrived even as an oldie defender. Yet no one on this list save cr7 and Giggs had the phyiscal fitness Salah and VDV currently exhibit.

I'm certain VDV and Salah is they went to slower paced leagues like Serie A or La Liga they'd retire at Maldini & Costacurta's retirement age easily. Hardly losing their qualified. That ia why I were a Liverpool. Those two retire om my books.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
KDB has never been remotely supper fit. So he is a poor example.

This is a league in which Giggs, Zola and Bergkamp operated into late 30s at a world class level. Where Zlatan and CR7 arrived in mid 40s and were amongst top scorers. Where Thiago Silva thrived even as an oldie defender. Yet no one on this list save cr7 and Giggs had the phyiscal fitness Salah and VDV currently exhibit.

I'm certain VDV and Salah is they went to slower paced leagues like Serie A or La Liga they'd retire at Maldini & Costacurta's retirement age easily. Hardly losing their qualified. That ia why I were a Liverpool. Those two retire om my books.
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And both Salah and VVD seem to be very professional with keeping themselves in good condition, probably like those you mentioned above. Also, Slot has definitely adapted our style and Salah's role so he doesn't do near as much hard running in games, this is why is is also playing almost every game and the full 90. In a weird way, if Salah is to continue like that, it might be no harm to have someone more defensively solid behind him like Bradley, who also looks very good at getting up and down the pitch, good on the ball and a good tackler. But here's hoping all 3 remain.
 
B20 said:
I don't think that matters much to us given our expenditure.

Creative bookkeeping is for clubs spending beyond their means.

I don't begrudge him leaving on a free either. He doesn't owe us anything.
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It’s not really creative book keeping. It’s just how the system works.

According to Transfermarkt TAA is worth around £60-65m. That alone is a large chuck of money to lose but the fact it would count as pure profit is the real sickener.

Not sure how him running down his contract has been allowed to happen but it will hurt the club financially.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
KDB has never been remotely supper fit. So he is a poor example.

This is a league in which Giggs, Zola and Bergkamp operated into late 30s at a world class level. Where Zlatan and CR7 arrived in mid 40s and were amongst top scorers. Where Thiago Silva thrived even as an oldie defender. Yet no one on this list save cr7 and Giggs had the phyiscal fitness Salah and VDV currently exhibit.

I'm certain VDV and Salah is they went to slower paced leagues like Serie A or La Liga they'd retire at Maldini & Costacurta's retirement age easily. Hardly losing their qualified. That ia why I were a Liverpool. Those two retire om my books.
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It’s absolutely not a given at that age. Giggs, Zola and Bergkamp are worse examples than de Bruyne because they played in a different era when less was required of them.

At that age, athleticism can go overnight. Just look at Kyle Walker. Losing the young one at his peak is a terrible start.

I do actually think Salah/VDV could go for another few years, but as of today, there is no one at the top 6-8 clubs who is post-33 playing consistently well every week. So to have two outliers at the same club would be quite something.

They needed to tie down the one at his peak, if they lose him, and then lose either of the other two for free, it’s an absolute disaster.
 
TheReligion said:
It’s not really creative book keeping. It’s just how the system works.

According to Transfermarkt TAA is worth around £60-65m. That alone is a large chuck of money to lose but the fact it would count as pure profit is the real sickener.

Not sure how him running down his contract has been allowed to happen but it will hurt the club financially.
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Nothing about it is sickening. He's given us 8 years and is about to complete his contract. Cost us nothing and leaving for the same. Given us a whole lot in the meantime.

The book value is only relevant if we intend to spend more than what is available to us in the books vs liquid cash. I don't think there is much variance between the two.

I hope he stays and won't like it if he leaves, but I don't be grudge him at all.
 
B20 said:
Nothing about it is sickening. He's given us 8 years and is about to complete his contract. Cost us nothing and leaving for the same. Given us a whole lot in the meantime.

The book value is only relevant if we intend to spend more than what is available to us in the books vs liquid cash. I don't think there is much variance between the two.

I hope he stays and won't like it if he leaves, but I don't be grudge him at all.
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If he goes it’s sickening to lose an academy player approaching their peak anyway but to lose one for absolutely nothing is a double blow.

I think from his perspective it makes sense to go now. He’s obviously driven by personal accolades so it must be tempting to go and play in another league, especially at a club like Madrid. The next Roberto Carlos perhaps.
 
B20 said:
Nothing about it is sickening. He's given us 8 years and is about to complete his contract. Cost us nothing and leaving for the same. Given us a whole lot in the meantime.

The book value is only relevant if we intend to spend more than what is available to us in the books vs liquid cash. I don't think there is much variance between the two.

I hope he stays and won't like it if he leaves, but I don't be grudge him at all.
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Serious copium here. 60m asset walking out for nothing and it's perfectly okay.... Aye okay mate.
 
Maluco said:
It’s absolutely not a given at that age. Giggs, Zola and Bergkamp are worse examples than de Bruyne because they played in a different era when less was required of them.

At that age, athleticism can go overnight. Just look at Kyle Walker. Losing the young one at his peak is a terrible start.

I do actually think Salah/VDV could go for another few years, but as of today, there is no one at the top 6-8 clubs who is post-33 playing consistently well every week. So to have two outliers at the same club would be quite something.

They needed to tie down the one at his peak, if they lose him, and then lose either of the other two for free, it’s an absolute disaster.
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We'll just have to agree to disagree. I see the sense of your argument but I just don't buy it.
 
B20 said:
Nothing about it is sickening. He's given us 8 years and is about to complete his contract. Cost us nothing and leaving for the same. Given us a whole lot in the meantime.

The book value is only relevant if we intend to spend more than what is available to us in the books vs liquid cash. I don't think there is much variance between the two.

I hope he stays and won't like it if he leaves, but I don't be grudge him at all.
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I agree with this sentiment.
 
Steve Bruce said:
Serious copium here. 60m asset walking out for nothing and it's perfectly okay.... Aye okay mate.
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Yes.

I think the mentality of treating players as assets rather than service providers is genuinely skewed. I've no problem with bosmans. It's a part of the game.

Of course I'd rather he stayed as he's a great player, but all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about the fee is false drama. He's served his contract after 8 years of fabulous service.
 
I think it’s pretty poor that an academy player would walk out for free. Quite the slap in the face for the club who made him, especially for someone that purports to be a Liverpool fan growing up. Just my opinion, though.
 
Steve Bruce said:
Serious copium here. 60m asset walking out for nothing and it's perfectly okay.... Aye okay mate.
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Overspending is certainly not an issue with FSG, we have another very capable looking right back to step in. Should Liverpool have tried to flog him for 60 mil last summer? If he helps Liverpool win the title this season and perhaps another trophy, I'd say keeping him was definitely the right thing to do, even if he goes for a free. Same with Salah, Liverpool could have cashed in last summer, but without Salah this season, Liverpools chances of winning the title greatly reduced, sometimes keeping the player can be the right decision, win big trophies in the moment.

And still no confirmation any 3 are leaving, but if any do which is highly likely, good luck to them, especially if they help create more history for the club this season.
 
B20 said:
Yes.

I think the mentality of treating players as assets rather than service providers is genuinely skewed. I've no problem with bosmans. It's a part of the game.

Of course I'd rather he stayed as he's a great player, but all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about the fee is false drama. He's served his contract after 8 years of fabulous service.
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I mean both can be correct.

It’s objectively factual that losing an asset for nothing is bad business and harmful for club finances. Even more so when the player is homegrown given the implications to FFP. The fact Liverpool are ran as a sustainable club means this will hamper spending even more, as evidenced each summer.

It’s also correct that Trent has been a loyal servant for 8 years and done his part so to speak. I can understand why you’d not begrudge him a move.

That said the most logical thing for the club to have done would have been to negotiate him leaving to the club of his choice for a smaller fee in the summer. United did this regularly with the likes of Beckham, Stam, RvN, Ronaldo (although a big fee for him).

It feels as though Liverpool are happy to let people run down contracts though, or are unable to compromise with players to let them go, which seems a bit unusual.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Paul Pogba didnt leave for free the first time though
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Yes he did. he left Utd for Juventus on a Free Transfer in 2012, only to return for £89.3 Million four years later. leaving again in 2022 for Free. Don't think any sound thinking Utd fan can condemn Liverpool for something which they did.
 
giorno said:
Reminder that "rumors in Spain" had Mbappé playing for Madrid for the past 6 years...

That said, this is it, this is the signing we need to make for our attack. Trent and a world class CB and we're set for next season. And Rodri if he becomes available
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Who are you guys looking at for Centre Back?
 
Green Army said:
Yes he did. he left Utd for Juventus on a Free Transfer in 2012, only to return for £89.3 Million four years later. leaving again in 2022 for Free. Don't think any sound thinking Utd fan can condemn Liverpool for something which they did.
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Yeah both situations are identical..

Jesus wept.
 
Trent is like Marcelo, can’t defend and it just won’t matter, he’ll be awesome at Madrid.
 
TheReligion said:
I mean both can be correct.

It’s objectively factual that losing an asset for nothing is bad business and harmful for club finances. Even more so when the player is homegrown given the implications to FFP. The fact Liverpool are ran as a sustainable club means this will hamper spending even more, as evidenced each summer.

It’s also correct that Trent has been a loyal servant for 8 years and done his part so to speak. I can understand why you’d not begrudge him a move.

That said the most logical thing for the club to have done would have been to negotiate him leaving to the club of his choice for a smaller fee in the summer. United did this regularly with the likes of Beckham, Stam, RvN, Ronaldo (although a big fee for him).

It feels as though Liverpool are happy to let people run down contracts though, or are unable to compromise with players to let them go, which seems a bit unusual.
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They seem to be favourites for a double at the very least. Cannot have happened without Trent. We’ll know by season end if they made a mistake or if they played a blinder.
 
Maluco said:
I do actually think Salah/VDV could go for another few years, but as of today, there is no one at the top 6-8 clubs who is post-33 playing consistently well every week. So to have two outliers at the same club would be quite something.
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I mean we're going into rarefied field again, but generally that field does tend to have multiple players at the same club that age well that played together for long stretches... Milan up to the late 2000's, United under Fergie, Arsenal's back 5 of the 90's followed by Bergkamp, Terry and Lampard.

They would in my opinion, be more likely to drop off a cliff should they move and split up. [if they stay within elite territory that is, mute point if they just go to Saudi/MLS]
 
You have similar declines over the last years in the PL. Some of them have "found" back to their level again:
- Maguire; Seems to have found back to his level again.
- John Stones: Seems to have found back to his level again.
- Dele Alli: Will never find his way back to his toplevel again.
- Trent A. Arnold: Let us see what happens.
- Rashford: Let us see what happens.
- Jake Grealish: Could be next.

Maybe the pressure is too big, or maybe the level of the PL has become so high that it is difficult to stay at your toplevel over a long periode of time.
 
TheReligion said:
It could have happened without Trent in my opinion.
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New manager comes in, his main transfer attempt rebuffs the club, and if Trent had left, who could they have bought at short notice that could've replaced him? Not to mention having the manager deal with all the noise about not being backed by the club instead of smoothly getting into the groove with a settled team and some easy fixtures.

The supposed ready made Trent replacement that Liverpool fans keep bringing up, Bradley, seems quite injury prone, so would've been very risky to rely on his availability the same way as Trent's.
 
B20 said:
Yes.

I think the mentality of treating players as assets rather than service providers is genuinely skewed. I've no problem with bosmans. It's a part of the game.

Of course I'd rather he stayed as he's a great player, but all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about the fee is false drama. He's served his contract after 8 years of fabulous service.
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:lol: I thought you were going in a completely different direction re dehumanising, treating them like meat, etc.

Agree the drama is overdone. It seems obvious to me beyond the PL Real Madrid is an obvious destination to kick on with his career and we all know how they love a freebie. Why would he affect his chances of going there?

The CR7 exceptional case had little to do with loyalty and everything to do with his giant ego and wanting to be the world record transfer, albeit briefly.
 
LochGormanAbú said:
Overspending is certainly not an issue with FSG, we have another very capable looking right back to step in. Should Liverpool have tried to flog him for 60 mil last summer? If he helps Liverpool win the title this season and perhaps another trophy, I'd say keeping him was definitely the right thing to do, even if he goes for a free. Same with Salah, Liverpool could have cashed in last summer, but without Salah this season, Liverpools chances of winning the title greatly reduced, sometimes keeping the player can be the right decision, win big trophies in the moment.

And still no confirmation any 3 are leaving, but if any do which is highly likely, good luck to them, especially if they help create more history for the club this season.
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Salah and TAA are two different things. Replacing Salah for anyone remotely as good as him would cost serious amounts of money, Salah because of his age, is worth more keeping than it is cashing in, so I agree with you that I would rather have him and let him walk for nothing.

TAA he's replaceable and you've already said you have a very capable looking RB to step in. So why not make the 50+ million out of him and use that money towards a new striker. Overspending in the sense of keeping a good budget is correct isn't an issue at Liverpool (although you have overspent on some individual players) but that doesn't mean you should make bad business decisions and let 50m plus walk out for nothing. I honestly don't believe TAA being at Liverpool this season or not would make much difference overall to winning the league, whereas Salah not being at the club makes a massive massive difference.
 
Great signing, if happens. We all have fond memories of that corner against Barça.
 
If he goes his legacy will become that of a mercenary and not affiliated with any one team and that would be a shame. Kind of like Owen unless he becomes a serial winner and performer for many years at Madrid. I get him wanting to leave for sunny Spain but with that comes that whole mercernary stigma.
 
njred said:
If he goes his legacy will become that of a mercenary and not affiliated with any one team and that would be a shame. Kind of like Owen unless he becomes a serial winner and performer for many years at Madrid. I get him wanting to leave for sunny Spain but with that comes that whole mercernary stigma.
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I though Owen tarnished his reputation with your lot by joining one specific team and that wasn't Madrid.
 
You think that significant money upgrade and guaranteed trophies at Real are not lure enough and being labelled as "mercenary" will stop him?
 
TheReligion said:
Saliba i think
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Would they pay the money Arsenal would demand for Saliba this summer?

I can certainly understand them looking at him, but I'd imagine that might be with a view to try and pick him up with a year left on his deal next summer or even a free the summer after?
 
njred said:
If he goes his legacy will become that of a mercenary and not affiliated with any one team and that would be a shame. Kind of like Owen unless he becomes a serial winner and performer for many years at Madrid. I get him wanting to leave for sunny Spain but with that comes that whole mercernary stigma.
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So what, only one club men are true footballers?
 
erikcred said:
I though Owen tarnished his reputation with your lot by joining one specific team and that wasn't Madrid.
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That and the whole lying about how he was surely signing an extension. But mostly the last transfer.

In hindsight, we'd probably have been better off keeping him for another year and letting him leave on a free.
 
I’ll remember him best for trying to shag that pregnant woman who asked for his signature for her Liverpool supporting partner’s birthday present
 
B20 said:
So what, only one club men are true footballers?
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I do believe that is what the perception will be, right or wrong. I still will think of him as one of our own because unlike Owen, Trent’s from town, a born and bred red. But many who might not take that into consideration will see him as another Owen in my opinion
 
GoonerBear said:
Would they pay the money Arsenal would demand for Saliba this summer?

I can certainly understand them looking at him, but I'd imagine that might be with a view to try and pick him up with a year left on his deal next summer or even a free the summer after?
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Nope. Perez doesn’t pay for defenders. Not to that extent at least. More likely we’ll try to find another Yoro/Varane type: young talent to slowly integrate into the team.

TAA is great going forward but man he cannot defend. Not feeling this one.
 
njred said:
If he goes his legacy will become that of a mercenary and not affiliated with any one team and that would be a shame. Kind of like Owen unless he becomes a serial winner and performer for many years at Madrid. I get him wanting to leave for sunny Spain but with that comes that whole mercernary stigma.
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That’s silly. If he leaves at 26 or so to play and live in a different country, experience a different culture and possibly improve his game, then that only makes sense. If anything, I think more British players should play abroad and hopefully return.

It certainly doesn’t turn him into a mercenary. Beckham certainly wasn’t in my opinion.
 
Rossa said:
That’s silly. If he leaves at 26 or so to play and live in a different country, experience a different culture and possibly improve his game, then that only makes sense. If anything, I think more British players should play abroad and hopefully return.

It certainly doesn’t turn him into a mercenary. Beckham certainly wasn’t in my opinion.
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Not a fair comparison. Beckham's relationship with the manager had clearly broken down and it wasn't for free, there wasn't some long overdrawn flirtation with it either.

This is the new blueprint for Real Madrid, established players get told to finish their contracts and swallow up youth players with money. Like Mbappe, this has been on the cards for donkeys.
 
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