Trent Alexander Arnold

A key part of a team that's won league, FA cup and CL in last five years? And going to win at least league this season.

I get he isn't always great on one v ones but people are massively overstating that compared to the proven quality he brings year in year out. If Madrid wanted someone who's secured on one v ones they could've signed Wan Bisakka but of course at the level they operate they want far more from a full back.

Jude probably put in a good word for him and it's a weak area for them now with Carvajal's long term injury and he is 33 next month anyway.

Shocking decline is someone like Andy Robertson who's been at fault for loads of goals this season and is another position Liverpool will need to change very soon. Think with this they'll just trust Conor Bradley and see how he does as the regular first choice.
Spot on, all that.

From the ones without a contract next year, TAA’s departure would have the least impact on our team I believe, compared to Salah or Van Dijk. He has won everything there is to win at his boyhood club and if he wants a move away, it’s now or never and Madrid is basically the only club that’s a step up for him, so makes completely sense in that respect. Would’ve rather had he extended last summer and we got decent money for him instead of zilch but it is what it is. Wish him nothing but the best for the rest of his career.
 
If he’s going into January having still not signed a new contract you would think there’s some truth to this.

I’d probably say the same for Salah and VVD as well, although I can see Liverpool throwing everything they have at Salah with the form he is in.
 
Spot on, all that.

From the ones without a contract next year, TAA’s departure would have the least impact on our team I believe, compared to Salah or Van Dijk. He has won everything there is to win at his boyhood club and if he wants a move away, it’s now or never and Madrid is basically the only club that’s a step up for him, so makes completely sense in that respect. Would’ve rather had he extended last summer and we got decent money for him instead of zilch but it is what it is. Wish him nothing but the best for the rest of his career.

If you want a position where he's genuinely rubbish in those 90 minutes he played for England against Serbia and Denmark in central midfield was the very definition. There's a reason Klopp and Slot never considered him for CM and Southgate did (albeit reluctantly).

Yeah you can expose him at RB on occasions but he's still a vital part of a top level team for over five years now so one of the best in the world hence the Madrid interest.
 
He isn’t that big a loss. The only thing that they’d be probably annoyed about is not getting money for him (especially as someone from their academy), in these days of player sales being integral to spending.
 
A key part of a team that's won league, FA cup and CL in last five years? And going to win at least league this season.

I get he isn't always great on one v ones but people are massively overstating that compared to the proven quality he brings year in year out. If Madrid wanted someone who's secured on one v ones they could've signed Wan Bisakka but of course at the level they operate they want far more from a full back.

Jude probably put in a good word for him and it's a weak area for them now with Carvajal's long term injury and he is 33 next month anyway.

Shocking decline is someone like Andy Robertson who's been at fault for loads of goals this season and is another position Liverpool will need to change very soon. Think with this they'll just trust Conor Bradley and see how he does as the regular first choice.
He will also go 18 month periods being fairly solid on one on ones and nobody will pass much comment on it, then have a bad 6 months and then people act like he was the worst defender in history.
 
He is the one star player Liverpool can afford to lose. Van Dijk and Salah have tobe kept till retirement/till they are useless

van Dijk and Salah are 33 and 32 years old. Trent is 26. They have handled the contract situation terribly. They have lost the youthful one and haven’t resolved either of the other two yet.

They are doing well in the league, but it’s an awful situation to have contrived to put themselves in. A lot of money potentially thrown down the drain.
 
Imagine someone saying three years ago that Liverpool would let TAA leave on a free.

This is madness to me. Madness. Unthinkable.
 
van Dijk and Salah are 33 and 32 years old. Trent is 26. They have handled the contract situation terribly. They have lost the youthful one and haven’t resolved either of the other two yet.

They are doing well in the league, but it’s an awful situation to have contrived to put themselves in. A lot of money potentially thrown down the drain.
Well a 33 and 32 year old leaving on a free isn't odd.

26 is odd but we have no idea what's happened.
 
Especially a home grown scouse talent who has won everything with them

It just goes to show that even a Johnny Homegrown who may have been at the club since he was 4, doesn’t hold the level of sentimentality for the club that his fans expect him to.

Funnily enough, this will be the third time in about 25 years where this has happened. McManaman and Owen both went to Real Madrid for free (or dirt cheap firesale price for Owen) at their peak ages, regardless of being Liverpool academy products
 
Imagine someone saying three years ago that Liverpool would let TAA leave on a free.

This is madness to me. Madness. Unthinkable.

Its probably down to a combination of TAA and/or his agent being greedy with their demands and FSG being stingy with their offers, the same thing happened with Salah a few years ago when it looked like he would leave for free because he held them to ransom over his new contract all season but FSG caved in and gave him the huge contract he was demanding.
 
I don’t think most teams “can afford” to lose their third best player. He’ll be a big miss.
 
Real Madrid - still paying for that horrific summer of Hazard and Jovic that no one remembers because they just sign everyone on a free and even persuade them to join on lower wages ever since.

On top of the ridiculous luck they get in the CL, I hate that club :lol:
 
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Well a 33 and 32 year old leaving on a free isn't odd.

26 is odd but we have no idea what's happened.

It could be worse. TAA could leave on a free as an Academy product and Liverpool could buy him back several years later for £90 million only for him to leave on another free.

Paul Pogba anyone!!!
 
Will be a disaster for Liverpool if he leaves for free.

Not only will they miss out on a transfer fee for a player only 26 years old but the fee itself would be invaluable for FFP given he’s an academy player so pure profit for the books.
 
van Dijk and Salah are 33 and 32 years old. Trent is 26. They have handled the contract situation terribly. They have lost the youthful one and haven’t resolved either of the other two yet.

They are doing well in the league, but it’s an awful situation to have contrived to put themselves in. A lot of money potentially thrown down the drain.
Trent maybe 26 but he is replaceble in comparison to the other two. You could probably find another flying world class attacking fullback (ime Frimpong). But you won't find another Salah let alone Van Dijk ANY time soon & both look fit enough to probably stay world class late into their 30s.

Its true they've handled the entire matter strangely.
 
Will be a disaster for Liverpool if he leaves for free.

Not only will they miss out on a transfer fee for a player only 26 years old but the fee itself would be invaluable for FFP given he’s an academy player so pure profit for the books.

Will probably sell Harvey Elliott for a stupid fee to someone. Would've been an obvious move to Bournemouth a few years back with the fetish Howe had for their squad players.

Also Quanash was linked to Newcastle in the mooted deal with Anthony Gordon so I could see them letting him go if they sign another CB.
 
Will probably sell Harvey Elliott for a stupid fee to someone. Would've been an obvious move to Bournemouth a few years back with the fetish Howe had for their squad players.

Also Quanash was linked to Newcastle in the mooted deal with Anthony Gordon so I could see them letting him go if they sign another CB.
Still doesn’t make Trent any less of a disaster.
 
Trent maybe 26 but he is replaceble in comparison to the other two. You could probably find another flying world class attacking fullback (ime Frimpong). But you won't find another Salah let alone Van Dijk ANY time soon & both look fit enough to probably stay world class late into their 30s.

Its true they've handled the entire matter strangely.

How many players look good in the PL at 34/35 these days? The likes of de Bruyne can’t seem to play more than a half.

It was important to keep them for a few years, but they have lost the one with real monetary value for the club, and not even tied down the other two yet.

It’s a disaster for a club that gets lauded for being so well run.
 
How many players are even at Salah's level and fitness at 32 to even compare him with? It's a miniscule talent pool to be fair.

Ronaldo? He did alrite in the Prem in a shambles of a squad at what, 5 years older? Hell he even went to Juve older than Salah and did alrite depending on what your output is here. Lewandowski moved to a new league and still delivered. I don't see KdB as a fair comparison at all, age was already showing for him.
 
The thing is he is the most talented person on our team and is the best passer in the world. To say we can do without him and use Conor Bradley as our new rb rings alarm bells Imo. Bradley has shown he can fill in in but to be the man and stay injury free is another thing. Losing Trent is a big issue.
 
He’ll be a huge loss bc his skill set (ie, a magical right footed passer) really isnt replaceable and because the team has been molded over time to take advantage of that skill set. Trent’s long range passing springs many of Liverpool’s deadly breaks and his final third creativity allows them to play a midfield without a real final third creator. Conor Bradley is a good young player but he doesn’t bring the same qualities.
 
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He is exactly what we need at RWB.
I'm actually not sure if he's that well-fitted for that role. He seems to be better placed in deeper areas where he can play those long passes forward in different ways. He doesn't have the athleticism to man the flank on his own & he's also not perfect in close spaces so you don't want to shove him as high up the pitch as possible.

The thing is he is the most talented person on our team and is the best passer in the world.
He absolutely isn't. He may very well be the best in the world in his trademark pass over the top & his crosses (I think De Bruyne is his only real competitor for the latter), but the rest of his passing game isn't up to scratch when you compare him to the best of the best. Granted, with Modrić and De Bruyne in decline & Kroos retiring that level isn't astronomically high anymore but still. Ødegaard, Rodri, Pedri, Wirtz etc. have a lot more in their locker in terms of their passing ability.
 
I'm actually not sure if he's that well-fitted for that role. He seems to be better placed in deeper areas where he can play those long passes forward in different ways. He doesn't have the athleticism to man the flank on his own & he's also not perfect in close spaces so you don't want to shove him as high up the pitch as possible.
You wouldn't want two Trents, agreed. However, I'm not fussed about symmetry but personnel here.

Our LWB absolutely needs to stretch the defence and hug the line or else nobody would. But on the right Amad is quite handy so they would make it work in tandem further up the pitch, while we would get the playmaking from deep/side midfield and transition from back to front we miss so badly.

I'm not even remotely suggesting it would ever happen, just highlighting the profile of player we could use there. Not fussed that he "can't defend". In fact, people could stop moaning about our five at the back.
 
Valverde is the perfect player to cover his defensive weaknesses
TAA is basically the prime example for the formation being much more than placing "the best RB" at RB, "the best CM" at CM, "the best CF" up front.

If you put Trent at RB and ask him to kinda play like Neville or like Maicon did, he will be horrible in many games.

But if you get him to play as a playmaker of sorts on the right, from a deeper position, to help out the right side of defence rather than ask him to be right side defence, he's shown to be very, very good. He was a great and unique playmaker for Klopp's playmakerless midfield from right back for many games and seasons. Now at Slot's he seems to slot in perhaps even better as a playmaking option when one of the other outlets can't be reached as much.

Slot really came in at the right time to utilize players like Gravenberch, Gakpo, Salah and TAA, and thus their newly discovered/recovered playmaking attributes. They don't all have to be in top condition, perhaps even none of them need to be. But it's very difficult to mark and block the main playmakers if there are more of them, and they synchronize well (enough), while not giving up depth of their possible outlets. Slot found himself with a nice mix of all-rounders that also look like specialists. Wonder what will happen if all of them leave.

TAA at Madrid makes sense, too, though. But I can imagine a vast difference between games where he's got Valverde and Militao at RCM and RCB, and ones where it's rather someone with Modric' legs and, say, Rudiger.
 
Reminder that "rumors in Spain" had Mbappé playing for Madrid for the past 6 years...

That said, this is it, this is the signing we need to make for our attack. Trent and a world class CB and we're set for next season. And Rodri if he becomes available
 
van Dijk and Salah are 33 and 32 years old. Trent is 26. They have handled the contract situation terribly. They have lost the youthful one and haven’t resolved either of the other two yet.

They are doing well in the league, but it’s an awful situation to have contrived to put themselves in. A lot of money potentially thrown down the drain.
For all the good work he did, Klopp fecked them over in this regard. Announced his departure right about the time extension discussions would've been planned, at least for Trent.
 
Its true they've handled the entire matter strangely.
On the face of it, yes, but no one outside the club really seems to know what is happening. The fact is agents and players (bar Salah 'more out than in' comment) have not been using journo's or making real statements or posting divisive comments online etc. This would give me some hope. The Spanish Marca paper is well known for doing Madrid dirty work too.

Saying all that, I expect VVD and Salah to sign and Trent to go.
 
Will be a disaster for Liverpool if he leaves for free.

Not only will they miss out on a transfer fee for a player only 26 years old but the fee itself would be invaluable for FFP given he’s an academy player so pure profit for the books.
I don't think that matters much to us given our expenditure.

Creative bookkeeping is for clubs spending beyond their means.

I don't begrudge him leaving on a free either. He doesn't owe us anything.
 
On the face of it, yes, but no one outside the club really seems to know what is happening. The fact is agents and players (bar Salah 'more out than in' comment) have not been using journo's or making real statements or posting divisive comments online etc. This would give me some hope. The Spanish Marca paper is well known for doing Madrid dirty work too.

Saying all that, I expect VVD and Salah to sign and Trent to go.
Same.