The Ripper Tape

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As most of you will have heard, a man from Sunderland has been arrested in connection with the Yorkshire Ripper case 25 yrs ago.

Some say there were two killers working together, the second one never having been caught.

But if this bloke is charged and found guilty of making the tape which threw the whole investigation off the scent, during which more murders were commited, assuming he's never committed another crime since and from a guess I'd say he's probably in his sixties now, what sentence would be appropriate?
 
:lol: To be fair, it's about more than this case..........ie: persons charged with obstructing the course of justice years ago, who otherwise have an unblemished record.
 
It seems that he's only guilty of some obstruction of justice charge. In NY, that's a low level felony, punishable by a maximum of 4 years imprisonment. I'd give him the max due to the seriousness of the crime.

Maybe scientific analysis of the old physical evidence can tie him to the murders.

BTW, in NY, there's a 5-year Statute of Limitations for most felonies.
 
kennyj said:
It seems that he's only guilty of some obstruction of justice charge. In NY, that's a low level felony, punishable by a maximum of 4 years imprisonment. I'd give him the max due to the seriousness of the crime.

Maybe scientific analysis of the old physical evidence can tie him to the murders.

BTW, in NY, there's a 5-year Statute of Limitations for most felonies.
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Statute of limitations?

What does that mean, Kenny?
 
redcharlie said:
As most of you will have heard, a man from Sunderland has been arrested in connection with the Yorkshire Ripper case 25 yrs ago.

Some say there were two killers working together, the second one never having been caught.

But if this bloke is charged and found guilty of making the tape which threw the whole investigation off the scent, during which more murders were commited, assuming he's never committed another crime since and from a guess I'd say he's probably in his sixties now, what sentence would be appropriate?
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By directing the police the wrong way he probably delayed the arrest of the ripper...could that have led to the rape or murder of a few more girls?...

I would think its a very serious case, maybe he is not right upstairs.
 
Sultan said:
By directing the police the wrong way he probably delayed the arrest of the ripper...could that have led to the rape or murder of a few more girls?...

I would think its a very serious case, maybe he is not right upstairs.
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That has occured to me Sultan...........it will certainly have occurred to him since his arrest, whether it's true or not.

If I'm not mistaken, the Ripper was only charged with four murders, tho strongly suspected of 13 and possibly over 20. There is certainly suspicion of an accomplice, which would change the whole complexion of the inquiry. Certainly witness accounts bear out that Sutcliffe was frequently seen in the company of a second man whom investigations failed to identitfy.

But even if he was only guilty of throwing the investigation off the scent.......and sending mocking letters.....he was an accessory to murder and his age should not come into it...in my book.
 
redcharlie said:
Statute of limitations?

What does that mean, Kenny?
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It a law that says that certain actions (like the right to prosecute) can only be brought within a certain amount of time.

If there was a statute of limitations of 5-years on the obstruction charge, then the guy couldn't be prosecuted. Usually, there's no statute of limitations on a murder charge.

Prosecutors naturally have to avoid the limitation. To avoid it for rape cases, if they have a DNA sample, they indict the unknown defendant as a "John Doe," before the end of the time limit. Then if they make an arrest at some time, they can charge the defendant without worrying about the S of L.
 
redcharlie said:
But even if he was only guilty of throwing the investigation off the scent.......and sending mocking letters.....he was an accessory to murder and his age should not come into it...in my book.
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I don't think that he would be an accessory unless he aided in the conduct of the murders or actively aided in the concealment of the crimes.Whenever you get well-publicized murders there always seems to be people giving false confessions. This seems more along the lines of that.
 
The Police were also idiots for placing so much faith in a tape that contained nothing that a member of the public couldn't have known.
 
Sultan said:
By directing the police the wrong way he probably delayed the arrest of the ripper...could that have led to the rape or murder of a few more girls?...

I would think its a very serious case, maybe he is not right upstairs.
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although sultan, maybe he could argue that he was trying to help the case by mocking the police, as he felt they were not focused enough on the case, thus him poking fun at the police, embarrasing them, they became more focused due to a more personal involvement, ie public ridicule.
certainly a case for mittigating circumstances at the least, i mean he didnt tell the police to focus upon him and forget other suspects. did he leave clues so it could only have been the killer who made the tape?

he'll probs get the same as huntley's bint got..
 
He's been charged with Perverting the course of justice.
If it's true he deserve being banged up. Because of his stupidity the police let Sutcliffe go after questioning him and he went on to kill 3 more women
 
Looking Busy said:
He's been charged with Perverting the course of justice.
If it's true he deserve being banged up. Because of his stupidity the police let Sutcliffe go after questioning him and he went on to kill 3 more women
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Don't forget the stupidity of the police also LB.


It is a little known fact that they also told investigating officers to discount anyone that did not have a Wearside accent.

There was always a suspicion that the hoaxer was an ex copper with a grudge against Oldfield.

The police blunder and the hoaxer helped cost 3 lives - even Sutcliffe said at his trial that the tape was a "diversion" that allowed him to continue with his "mission".

He also could be a killer - the person who sent the letters was a 'B' secretor and the killer of one of the Ripper 'victims' Joan Harrison was killed by a B secretor. Sutcliffe always denied responsibilty for that murder and he is NOT a B secretor.
 
Marching said:
Don't forget the stupidity of the police also LB.


It is a little known fact that they also told investigating officers to discount anyone that did not have a Wearside accent.

There was always a suspicion that the hoaxer was an ex copper with a grudge against Oldfield.

The police blunder and the hoaxer helped cost 3 lives - even Sutcliffe said at his trial that the tape was a "diversion" that allowed him to continue with his "mission".

He also could be a killer - the person who sent the letters was a 'B' secretor and the killer of one of the Ripper 'victims' Joan Harrison was killed by a B secretor. Sutcliffe always denied responsibilty for that murder and he is NOT a B secretor.
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There is that chance but after this time we will never know.
The police fecked up in a big way but the police will never be properly held accountable.
 
Looking Busy said:
There is that chance but after this time we will never know.
The police fecked up in a big way but the police will never be properly held accountable.
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I was going out with a lass at the time whose Dad was heavily involved in the investigation and I heard all sorts. I even got a copy of an internal investigation which highlighted where mistakes were made.

The police sure did make mistakes but there had never been an investigation like this before and they were swamped with paperwork...it was so great at one stage they thought the floor would collapse under the weight of it and the incident room was moved to the basement at Millgarth in Leeds.

Because of the scale of the Ripper incident the police implemented a system called HOLMES .....Home Office Large Major Enquiry System....to avoid a repeat of the mistakes.
 
Marching said:
I was going out with a lass at the time whose Dad was heavily involved in the investigation and I heard all sorts. I even got a copy of an internal investigation which highlighted where mistakes were made.

The police sure did make mistakes but there had never been an investigation like this before and they were swamped with paperwork...it was so great at one stage they thought the floor would collapse under the weight of it and the incident room was moved to the basement at Millgarth in Leeds.

Because of the scale of the Ripper incident the police implemented a system called HOLMES .....Home Office Large Major Enquiry System....to avoid a repeat of the mistakes.
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Shame it didn't actually work. Maybe the West Midlands Serious Crime Squad (before it was disbanded for being so crap) could have done with that system
 
redcharlie said:
If I'm not mistaken, the Ripper was only charged with four murders, tho strongly suspected of 13 and possibly over 20.
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Sutcliffe was committed for trial accused of 13 murders and seven attempted murders.

He pleaded:Not guilty to murder but guilty to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility.

He also pleaded guilty to each of the seven charges of attempt murder.
 
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