Looks like another MVP for the goat.
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we earned it the hard way. I have no photoshop anymore but imagine that Kobe&Shaq champ image remastered.@weetee Fecking finally! Looked like we were in no position to capitalise on the collapse of the evil empire, but we've managed to carry those other three scrubs over the line somehow.
@nimic Have a 48 win team (or worse) won the whole thing before now in the experiment? We're looking like the Greece 2004 of the NBA.
Congrats Houston, weetee and V.O. Will be interesting to see if you can repeat
23/24 Season Review
23/24 Season Review
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Congratulations to Heine! He may not have won another ring, but he got his first MVP and his first DPOY.
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Congratulations to Heine! He may not have won another ring, but he got his first MVP and his first DPOY.
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I hear Charlotte is going to come into some money
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feck no.
Thank god the Miami experiment is over
Did I sign some Chelsea type contract with these guys?
You have one more year. Do you want to break the contract?
Might as well leave me there, had a decent career and we're making the playoffs.
The other side of the coin:
If I end up in Memphis or Charlotte I either want to immediately break my contract again or retire.
I saved you from Charlotte, you can thank me later
Though not sure why'd want to avoid Memphis, one of the better teams with money.
I saved you from Charlotte, you can thank me later
Though not sure why'd want to avoid Memphis, one of the better teams with money.
How do you feel about the Mardi Gras?
Unless Boston or Brooklyn have one, not great.
Brooklyn is the worst team in the league, but then they did draft Magic Johnson. One of you will get to play with him, but... it's not you. It could be worse for you, though.
MVP and DPOY, joining the greats now 
I can live with not getting a ring, for this seasom…
Memphis should be a great spot to end up tbh, with Wemby and enough cap to get 2 of the listed players / get depth.
I read that we re-signed Murray from this, hoped we would have some cap for a good center, but wasnt to be :/ We need to trade Ant most likely, unless he develops well and we can play smallball all the time
I can live with not getting a ring, for this seasom…Memphis should be a great spot to end up tbh, with Wemby and enough cap to get 2 of the listed players / get depth.
I read that we re-signed Murray from this, hoped we would have some cap for a good center, but wasnt to be :/ We need to trade Ant most likely, unless he develops well and we can play smallball all the time
I dont think the metrics get any worse than the Pelicans do they
But of course shit facilities only drive players out of teams. Tired of changing in a portacabin at Spurs and Cleveland but apparently happy to downgrade to a truck stop toilet.
But of course shit facilities only drive players out of teams. Tired of changing in a portacabin at Spurs and Cleveland but apparently happy to downgrade to a truck stop toilet.
You're certainly touring cheap teams. Well, the Spurs weren't cheap, they just spent so much on your wages that they couldn't afford coaches.
Just noticed the post about bkn and magic, nothing on hayes, but ffs phnx, it’s Magic!
2024 Draft and Free Agency
2024 Draft and Free Agency
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Draft top 10
Draft 11-60
Free Agency
Trades
Skizzlet (Hawks)
Pepper Bailly (Bucks)
Nobbers (Pelicans) - New Orleans going for it!
Heine (Spurs) - San Antonio... not going for it?
weeweetee & Lil' V.O. (Rockets)
BenitwoSTARRLET (Nets), Stobzilla II (Hornets) - huh?
BenitwoSTARRLET (Nets), The Cub (Nuggets) - huh????
The Cub (Nuggets) - okay that one's fine
Stobzilla II (Hornets)
sontodevil (Cavaliers), Heine (Spurs)
Skizzlet (Hawks), Lil-Nut (Warriors)
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Draft top 10
Draft 11-60
Free Agency
Trades
Skizzlet (Hawks)
Pepper Bailly (Bucks)
Nobbers (Pelicans) - New Orleans going for it!
Heine (Spurs) - San Antonio... not going for it?
weeweetee & Lil' V.O. (Rockets)
BenitwoSTARRLET (Nets), Stobzilla II (Hornets) - huh?
BenitwoSTARRLET (Nets), The Cub (Nuggets) - huh????
The Cub (Nuggets) - okay that one's fine
Stobzilla II (Hornets)
sontodevil (Cavaliers), Heine (Spurs)
Skizzlet (Hawks), Lil-Nut (Warriors)
Bazley could be a fit I guess…
Hawks must really have wanted rid of Mane
Hawks must really have wanted rid of Mane
He was probably flirting with their younger sisters
24/25 Season Preview - Part 1
24/25 Season Preview - Part 1
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Power Rankings
Team Finances and Strategy
(note that team spending is relative, not absolute. If you're the 13th highest spender, you get the same benefits no matter what the number is)
Previews
Dr. Junior - Oklahoma City Thunder (51-31, 2nd Round)
Are the Oklahoma City Thunder good? Yes. Are they really good? I don't know. Dr. Junior got a bit worse since last season - hopefully just a temporary decline - but Scottie Barnes got a bit better. Brandon Miller also took quite a leap, though the Thunder weren't exactly lacking in good forwards. The only thing standing in the way of the Thunder doing as well as last season is the quite shallow team. They might want to look for some clever trades, if at all possible.
Pepper Bailly - Milwaukee Bucks (44-38, 1st Round)
A lot of the okay players on the Milwaukee Bucks got ever so slightly worse since last season, but then they've got so many of them - it might not actually matter. In that sense, it might actually be a lot more impactful that Jaden Springer has improved enough to almost match Pepper Bailly. It's hard to know where there Bucks will end the season. They made the playoffs last season, and if their starters have a decent enough season they should be able to do so again. They just need to avoid injuries.
Lil-Nut - Golden State Warriors (28-54)
There seems to be a lot of these teams around lately. They have either one superstar or none, and then they have an absolute glut of pretty good players. The evidence so far seems to suggest that it's not quite enough, though that might rather depend on the superstar in question. In this case they've got a solid one - and one with the future ahead of him. This probably isn't the place to spend that future, though that might change if Reggie Perry and Daishen Nix continue their improvement.
sontodevil - Cleveland Cavaliers (35-47)
sontodevil is truly following in his father's footsteps here! Well, not exactly in the same order, but old man altodevil did spent several years in Cleveland. He didn't like it very much. I suspect his son won't like it much more. He might throw up some good stats, though, and maybe get back into the award race. We'll see how long sontodevil decides to languish in Cleveland, though.
Two Nil & reelworld II - New York Knicks (64-18, 2nd Round)
I'm not going to check, but New York must surely have the longest serving starting 5 in the league. Everyone has been there 6-8 years, and then you have Ja Morant on 5 years right beyond that. They had some bad luck last season, but father time has been kind to the veteran Knicks. All three best players, who are all past their mid 20s by now, got better. Not a lot better, but a little might just be enough. The big challenge will be, as always, the depth.
SebJr - Sacramento Kings (50-32, 1st Round)
SebJr is getting old, and it's finally pushed him out of the starting 5 on the Kings. He'll probably still get a lot of playing time, though, particularly considering how even the team is. We saw last season that it probably takes more than just having a very deep team to get far in the playoffs, but at least it took them to the playoffs. They also have a 68 rating player this year, with KZ Okpala's improvement. They aren't going to win any rings (though wilder things have happened), but playoffs again? Definitely likely.
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Power Rankings
Team Finances and Strategy
(note that team spending is relative, not absolute. If you're the 13th highest spender, you get the same benefits no matter what the number is)
Previews
Dr. Junior - Oklahoma City Thunder (51-31, 2nd Round)
Are the Oklahoma City Thunder good? Yes. Are they really good? I don't know. Dr. Junior got a bit worse since last season - hopefully just a temporary decline - but Scottie Barnes got a bit better. Brandon Miller also took quite a leap, though the Thunder weren't exactly lacking in good forwards. The only thing standing in the way of the Thunder doing as well as last season is the quite shallow team. They might want to look for some clever trades, if at all possible.
Pepper Bailly - Milwaukee Bucks (44-38, 1st Round)
A lot of the okay players on the Milwaukee Bucks got ever so slightly worse since last season, but then they've got so many of them - it might not actually matter. In that sense, it might actually be a lot more impactful that Jaden Springer has improved enough to almost match Pepper Bailly. It's hard to know where there Bucks will end the season. They made the playoffs last season, and if their starters have a decent enough season they should be able to do so again. They just need to avoid injuries.
Lil-Nut - Golden State Warriors (28-54)
There seems to be a lot of these teams around lately. They have either one superstar or none, and then they have an absolute glut of pretty good players. The evidence so far seems to suggest that it's not quite enough, though that might rather depend on the superstar in question. In this case they've got a solid one - and one with the future ahead of him. This probably isn't the place to spend that future, though that might change if Reggie Perry and Daishen Nix continue their improvement.
sontodevil - Cleveland Cavaliers (35-47)
sontodevil is truly following in his father's footsteps here! Well, not exactly in the same order, but old man altodevil did spent several years in Cleveland. He didn't like it very much. I suspect his son won't like it much more. He might throw up some good stats, though, and maybe get back into the award race. We'll see how long sontodevil decides to languish in Cleveland, though.
Two Nil & reelworld II - New York Knicks (64-18, 2nd Round)
I'm not going to check, but New York must surely have the longest serving starting 5 in the league. Everyone has been there 6-8 years, and then you have Ja Morant on 5 years right beyond that. They had some bad luck last season, but father time has been kind to the veteran Knicks. All three best players, who are all past their mid 20s by now, got better. Not a lot better, but a little might just be enough. The big challenge will be, as always, the depth.
SebJr - Sacramento Kings (50-32, 1st Round)
SebJr is getting old, and it's finally pushed him out of the starting 5 on the Kings. He'll probably still get a lot of playing time, though, particularly considering how even the team is. We saw last season that it probably takes more than just having a very deep team to get far in the playoffs, but at least it took them to the playoffs. They also have a 68 rating player this year, with KZ Okpala's improvement. They aren't going to win any rings (though wilder things have happened), but playoffs again? Definitely likely.
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Lil Nut seems destined to follow in his father's footsteps in achieving nothing of note besides all star appearances. Big Nut won 1 3pt contest I think, so at least we've got a chance of matching it.
failtodevil. disowned this pretender long ago. no son of mine
Lil’VO and weeweetee got weaker. Perfect.
The mvp will try to get a ring on his own
The mvp will try to get a ring on his own
Whoops, had a duplicate picture. This is what should have been there:
Imagine not having the assist king in your starting line up...
24/25 Season Preview - Part 2
24/25 Season Preview - Part 2
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Sonius - Indiana Pacers (52-30, Runners up)
After coming much closer to winning the title than anyone had expected, with the possible exception of Sonius himself, the Indiana Pacers are surely poised to launch a renewed effort this year. Kevin Knox took a very slight step behind, but although he was vital as a second option, his decline should be more than made up by the improvement of many other Pacers, including Sonius himself. As with seemingly all of our contenders, the team is a bit shallow beyond the excellent starting 5.
Skizzlet - Atlanta Hawks (52-30, 1st Round)
How good are the Hawks, really? We didn't really get to see them do much last season, but injury struck them very hard as soon as the playoffs started. This year they seem even better, on almost every level. They have a very solid starting 5 (with several of those great Centers that other teams have none of), and a fairly deep team beyond that as well. Is this Skizzlet's year? There's a load of strong teams in the East, so the goal should be top 4 in the regular season.
Dan II - Philadelphia 76ers (54-28, Conference Finals)
And here's one of those strong Eastern teams I mentioned. The progression bag is a little bit more mixed than it was for the Atlanta, but the Philadelphia 76ers have a very interesting team. Dan II may have gotten a little bit worse, but he's been putting up gigantic scoring performances with significantly lower overall ratings than this. I suspect he can be an efficient piece well into his low 50s, and honestly even lower if they'd actually play him. The 76ers nearly made it all the way last time. We go again?
BenitwoSTARRLET - Brooklyn Nets (20-62)
The Brooklyn Nets are a very interesting team. They lack that one true superstar, though BenitwoSTARRLET is quite good. But beyond that they have a solid starting 5 and a rather deep team. They also have 20 year old Magic Johnson. Is he going to be good old Magic Johnson? I have no idea! All I know is that it's going to be very interesting to watch, and I'm sure BenitwoSTARRLET will be content to go along for the ride.
Stobzilla II - Charlotte Hornets (27-55)
Oh look, it's Stobzilla II! I thought he retired? No, he'll never retire. Not as long as there are teams without solid Centers out there. Or, in the case of the Charlotte Hornets, teams who only have two other solid Centers in the starting line-up. Our Cafite is very much the old man of the group, which does mean the Hornets could actually become quite good, with a bit of luck. Or without a bit of luck, they could stall and fall back down to whatever they've been doing the last few years.
Heine - San Antonio Spurs (56-26, Conference Finals)
Okay, so the Spurs didn't win another ring. But Heine proved that he wasn't just the second fiddle to Nobbers. Winning MVP and DPOY in the same season is very impressive. You'd expect that to fuel another championship run, and in fact I do expect that. The Spurs aren't quite the same team they were last season, though, so it's hard to predict exactly how good they are going to be. There are reasons to think they'll be even better, and certainly they have one of the better constructed starting 5s in the league. Let's see.
The Cub - Denver Nuggets (30-52)
Okay, so The Cub is back playing for the worst team in the league. It's been one of those careers. On the other hand, the fact that his new team were so bad last season is also why they were able to draft both Gilbert Arenas and Jerry West. As with Magic Johnson, it's impossible to predict how good they are actually going to be. Surely one of them will hit, though? And if they do, The Cub will be there, guiding into a bright future.
Nobbers - New Orleans Pelicans (37-45, 2nd Round)
4x MVP, 6x Champion, 4x Finals MVP... the list goes on. Well, obviously it does. Just look up. The point is that Nobbers, while approaching his 30s, is still a very good player. And with all those accolades in the bank, why not just get weird with it for however long the rest of his career is? The Pelicans aren't supposed to be particularly good, but then they somehow made it to the 2nd Round last year. And with all due respect to BenitwoSTARRLET, Nobbers is on another level. Of course, that playoff performance came from a very unlikely 10th seed, which is... not ideal. Maybe don't try to replicate that.
weeweetee & Lil' V.O. - Houston Rockets (48-34, Champions)
Oh look, it's our newest champions! It took them a few years, but I am sure it's no less sweet. The two superstars are functionally the same players they were last year too, with only the slightest of declines for both weeweetee and Lil' V.O.. Slightly more worrying is the fact that two other players in the already extremely shallow team saw some decline, though they also saw players get better. All that is to say, while I wouldn't be betting on the Rockets repeating their championship run, I wasn't betting on it last season either. Why the hell couldn't they do it again?
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Sonius - Indiana Pacers (52-30, Runners up)
After coming much closer to winning the title than anyone had expected, with the possible exception of Sonius himself, the Indiana Pacers are surely poised to launch a renewed effort this year. Kevin Knox took a very slight step behind, but although he was vital as a second option, his decline should be more than made up by the improvement of many other Pacers, including Sonius himself. As with seemingly all of our contenders, the team is a bit shallow beyond the excellent starting 5.
Skizzlet - Atlanta Hawks (52-30, 1st Round)
How good are the Hawks, really? We didn't really get to see them do much last season, but injury struck them very hard as soon as the playoffs started. This year they seem even better, on almost every level. They have a very solid starting 5 (with several of those great Centers that other teams have none of), and a fairly deep team beyond that as well. Is this Skizzlet's year? There's a load of strong teams in the East, so the goal should be top 4 in the regular season.
Dan II - Philadelphia 76ers (54-28, Conference Finals)
And here's one of those strong Eastern teams I mentioned. The progression bag is a little bit more mixed than it was for the Atlanta, but the Philadelphia 76ers have a very interesting team. Dan II may have gotten a little bit worse, but he's been putting up gigantic scoring performances with significantly lower overall ratings than this. I suspect he can be an efficient piece well into his low 50s, and honestly even lower if they'd actually play him. The 76ers nearly made it all the way last time. We go again?
BenitwoSTARRLET - Brooklyn Nets (20-62)
The Brooklyn Nets are a very interesting team. They lack that one true superstar, though BenitwoSTARRLET is quite good. But beyond that they have a solid starting 5 and a rather deep team. They also have 20 year old Magic Johnson. Is he going to be good old Magic Johnson? I have no idea! All I know is that it's going to be very interesting to watch, and I'm sure BenitwoSTARRLET will be content to go along for the ride.
Stobzilla II - Charlotte Hornets (27-55)
Oh look, it's Stobzilla II! I thought he retired? No, he'll never retire. Not as long as there are teams without solid Centers out there. Or, in the case of the Charlotte Hornets, teams who only have two other solid Centers in the starting line-up. Our Cafite is very much the old man of the group, which does mean the Hornets could actually become quite good, with a bit of luck. Or without a bit of luck, they could stall and fall back down to whatever they've been doing the last few years.
Heine - San Antonio Spurs (56-26, Conference Finals)
Okay, so the Spurs didn't win another ring. But Heine proved that he wasn't just the second fiddle to Nobbers. Winning MVP and DPOY in the same season is very impressive. You'd expect that to fuel another championship run, and in fact I do expect that. The Spurs aren't quite the same team they were last season, though, so it's hard to predict exactly how good they are going to be. There are reasons to think they'll be even better, and certainly they have one of the better constructed starting 5s in the league. Let's see.
The Cub - Denver Nuggets (30-52)
Okay, so The Cub is back playing for the worst team in the league. It's been one of those careers. On the other hand, the fact that his new team were so bad last season is also why they were able to draft both Gilbert Arenas and Jerry West. As with Magic Johnson, it's impossible to predict how good they are actually going to be. Surely one of them will hit, though? And if they do, The Cub will be there, guiding into a bright future.
Nobbers - New Orleans Pelicans (37-45, 2nd Round)
4x MVP, 6x Champion, 4x Finals MVP... the list goes on. Well, obviously it does. Just look up. The point is that Nobbers, while approaching his 30s, is still a very good player. And with all those accolades in the bank, why not just get weird with it for however long the rest of his career is? The Pelicans aren't supposed to be particularly good, but then they somehow made it to the 2nd Round last year. And with all due respect to BenitwoSTARRLET, Nobbers is on another level. Of course, that playoff performance came from a very unlikely 10th seed, which is... not ideal. Maybe don't try to replicate that.
weeweetee & Lil' V.O. - Houston Rockets (48-34, Champions)
Oh look, it's our newest champions! It took them a few years, but I am sure it's no less sweet. The two superstars are functionally the same players they were last year too, with only the slightest of declines for both weeweetee and Lil' V.O.. Slightly more worrying is the fact that two other players in the already extremely shallow team saw some decline, though they also saw players get better. All that is to say, while I wouldn't be betting on the Rockets repeating their championship run, I wasn't betting on it last season either. Why the hell couldn't they do it again?
For good measure, here are some decent Cafless teams as well:
Didn‘t want to say it before but alas! Finally the cafless teams as well! Thanks nimic
We really do look like a well constructed team, built around the greatest MVP ever (ofc). I think we should be able to do a deep playoffround again, and nothing would make me more happy than getting "my own" ring
We got a good spread of positions and roles it seems, and a big guy with the R to get rebounds. While at the same time me and Murray can share the ball, get the others some easy shots while we control the game and dominate. I like this years team, even though I really wish for either a great defensive/rebounding Center, or a stretch center to make it easier to attack the basket for myself
Noticed I am the third double MVP/DPOY. Shaq got one, and Sontodevil got one
We got a good spread of positions and roles it seems, and a big guy with the R to get rebounds. While at the same time me and Murray can share the ball, get the others some easy shots while we control the game and dominate. I like this years team, even though I really wish for either a great defensive/rebounding Center, or a stretch center to make it easier to attack the basket for myself
Noticed I am the third double MVP/DPOY. Shaq got one, and Sontodevil got one
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24/25 30-Game Update
24/25 30-Game Update
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Standings
League leaders
Award races
Trades
weeweetee & Lil' V.O. (Rockets), BenitwoSTARRLET (Nets) - it might look weird, but at least Houston got thebetter player younger player cheaper player shorter contract... wait what
Stobzilla II (Hornets)
Nobbers (Pelicans), sontodevil (Cavaliers) - I don't know what the feck this is
Lil-Nut (Warriors) - What's up with Karim Mané? Last time the Hawks were willing to attach a 1st round pick to him just to get rid of him, for merely a 2nd round pick in return, and this time the Warriors attach someone perfectly playable to get rid of him, again just getting a 2nd round pick in return. We need to follow his career, I think.
Pepper Bailly (Bucks)
Dan II (76ers) - big changes for the 76ers! John Collins is a big loss, but he turns into 4 pretty good players and a 1st round pick (and whatever else happens to the picks they gave to and received from the Trailblazers). They are going to miss his defense, though.
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Standings
League leaders
Award races
Trades
weeweetee & Lil' V.O. (Rockets), BenitwoSTARRLET (Nets) - it might look weird, but at least Houston got the
Stobzilla II (Hornets)
Nobbers (Pelicans), sontodevil (Cavaliers) - I don't know what the feck this is
Lil-Nut (Warriors) - What's up with Karim Mané? Last time the Hawks were willing to attach a 1st round pick to him just to get rid of him, for merely a 2nd round pick in return, and this time the Warriors attach someone perfectly playable to get rid of him, again just getting a 2nd round pick in return. We need to follow his career, I think.
Pepper Bailly (Bucks)
Dan II (76ers) - big changes for the 76ers! John Collins is a big loss, but he turns into 4 pretty good players and a 1st round pick (and whatever else happens to the picks they gave to and received from the Trailblazers). They are going to miss his defense, though.
Retire Davis. Announce nobbers.
@nimic how often does dws leader win dpoty? What about last season?