The positives, negatives and the average

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Positives:

Carroll - steady game, a couple of good save
O'Shea - fills me with confidence
Ole - Looks sharp
Ruud - same as Ole

A good number of chances created

Negatives

Phil Neville - Sunday league error
Beckham - only turned up for 30 mins
Giggs - same as Becks

Sloppy games from Giggs especially, tried to flick the ball 9 out of 10 times

The average

Blanc
Silvestre
Keano
Veron

We should beat them confortable at OT, but we have to take our chances better
 
I know one thing thats positive about we were shite and if rudd gets injured we are fecked
 
Originally posted by Thebug:
<strong>I know one thing thats positive about we were shite and if rudd gets injured we are fecked</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not to mention if Ruud gets injured...

another plus side: we didn't lose 2-0
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AEBM, Ruud and Ole missed chances they would normally have buried, certainly not sharp, though you were probably referring to them at least getting chances.
 
Originally posted by Thebug:
<strong>I know one thing thats positive about we were shite and if rudd gets injured we are fecked</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" />

The seasons over! ;)
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Sloppy performance all around..
O Shea was the only outstanding Utd player ,great European debut,dominated confidently with only his sixth full appearance
Keane was the only midfielder playing
Veron wasnt at the races,gave the ball away 8 times on the trot,Beckham looks fat,Giggs looked asleep
Blanc very quiet,Silvestre played quite well
Two boys up front were not sharp,infact they were quite sluggish,especially Rudd,all in all pretty shite ,however,not to worry ,we should beat them well at home.Their pitch didnt suit us and they were using that stupid fecking ping pong ball as well.Will it be used in all the games this season I wonder??
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>AEBM, Ruud and Ole missed chances they would normally have buried, certainly not sharp, though you were probably referring to them at least getting chances.</strong><hr></blockquote>

They were industrious, created chances, and the goals will come.
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the good thing for you about this is that you now know you have to put in a good performance to qualify, and when you need to perform you usually do. by having to win the game by two goals means that the team you put out will be stronger than if you had won the game. this positive performance that is needed and will no doubt come will give you a running start to the season when the league games start. and had you had this last year you might have done a little better in the league.

you should see this defeat as a good thing, if for nothing else it highlights just how poor phil neville really is
 
Originally posted by benny:
<strong>O Shea was the only outstanding Utd player ,great European debut,dominated confidently with only his sixth full appearance</strong><hr></blockquote>

He played at Lille last season so tonight wasn't his european debut.
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Originally posted by Amir:
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He played at Lille last season so tonight wasn't his european debut.</strong><hr></blockquote>

the game was in lens and tonight was his full european debut :p

;)
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Winning tonite wasnt essential, but if we had won comfortably we could have given the likes of Stewart and Djordjic some European experience, so in that sense Im disappointed.
 
Giggs was terrible tonight - I don't like to strongly criticise players but he had an awful game only matched by Beckham (Becks looked very un-fit and sluggish)

Veron had a steady game - nothing to shout about but nothing to complain about either.

O'Shea had a strong and confident match, along with Roy Carroll, performed very well and indeed their performances were the only highlight of the evening.

Once again individual errors - our underlying theme of last season, I'm glad to see that has been shaken off.

In saying that we will win 3-0 at O/T, the defeat tonight os probably and hopefully the final kick up the arse we will need to get into the right frame of mind for this season. Enough has been said about what needs to be done, as they say actions speak louder than words!
 
Originally posted by Thebug:
<strong>I know one thing thats positive about we were shite and if rudd gets injured we are fecked</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, I think if either Ruud or Ole is injured for the return leg, it could be difficult for us. They're just going to stack everyone in the back and then try to pinch a goal to make us have to score 3. And if Ruud or Ole's injured, they'll just put a couple of guys on whoever is playing.

I just don't see where else we would get the goals from. Giggs doesn't have a striker's instinct. Every time he gets a decent scoring opportunity, he seems to pass the ball. We can't count on Diego to score. I don't think Becks is totally match fit yet...he just doesn't look very sharp to me. The only other person I can see scoring is Scholes...and he may be on the bench in 2 weeks time.

Don't mean to be so negative...just frustrated that we go out against teams like Bayer Leverkusen and lose to a team like Zalaegerszegi. With the quality of players that we have, we should be able to get results against these teams.
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there were only really 2 positive aspects about tonight. Roy Carroll and John o'shea. Veron showed nothing of the fantastic pre season form. Ruud missed a chance that he would normally score with his eyes shut. The play in their half was sloppy and laboured. Giggs and Becks were poor. We have to much sharper and clinical. Forlan was non-existant when he came on. Also to be fair the worst person on the pitch was undoubtedly the ref. His constant whistle blowing made the game even more disjointed. We should go through but we must improve beyond all recognition
 
The other negative I ahve to draw was Blanc.

I know last season, at the end he was the mana and looked/was a class act.....

But
his positioning for the goal was poor, I might even go as far to say appalling. You could see O'shea turn around to see where blanc was so he could take his position, Larry was nowhere to be seen, AWOL. Mickey tried to use his pace to catch up but had too much ground to cover.

Incidents like this make me feel it is Larry's attitude at the back that leads to these individual errors. He turned off when he was needed.

I hope we can get Larry to bed in Rio, then Rio and Oshea/Brown for the rest of the season.

Or do the unthinkable.... Keano as a CB, he would be awesome..... but would we miss him too much in the middle??????? Alternatively get Keano to play a strict defensive role, constantly infront of the back four to give 'em cover

Any way enuff of my BS
 
Giggs has been really dissapointing the whole of this off-season ... He really need to pick himself up else I reckon he will warm the bench more than he like very soon .. .

He has lost that "edge" when facing packed defence ... can't Zig-Zag like he used to ... We need some nippy forward there to break defence like the one today ...
 
The O'shea, Ferdinand partnership will be awesome.
We definately need a full back preferably an Irwin type able to play on both flanks also required someone to kick Giggs up the arse he doesn't perform on a consistent enough level for me.
Becks definately looked overweight.But what options do we have on the flanks ( no quality cover)
Lets hope some of the players are not slipping into the comfort zone.
Come on you Reds where is the passion.
Ruud and Ole will be awesome but again we need cover if one is injured or banned
The Squad concerns me
 
I saw one positive, Giggs still has it.

He just doesnt use it.

I saw glimpses of the real Ryan, it was only like 2 or 3 times, but I was begining to think he lost it.

He did it so easily too. Why the Hell doesnt he do it everytime? A little shimmy here and there and he'd be away. Silvestre does it all the Goddamn time, why is Silvestre better at beating fullbacks than Giggs?? Even Rio can beat a FB.

Also played a good cross. Should do that more often too.

I swear, he is either lazy, stupid or a coward. He should realise the flicks aint working, that he can tear these players apart with ease. If I had his ability I wouldnt ever stop, simply cos I'd be challenging myself or trying to show off.

I'm not happy about it, but at least he has that potential rather than being deadwood.

Fergie has to get it out of him. Drop the guy for a few games like he did with Becks. Give him a free role. If he doesnt perform, we dont win trophies. He is our Bergkamp.
 
We are not out of it yet(there's a 2nd leg to play for) why does ppl always have to point finger and lay blame on a certain player when we lose?
 
Originally posted by pjaya:
<strong>We are not out of it yet(there's a 2nd leg to play for) why does ppl always have to point finger and lay blame on a certain player when we lose?</strong><hr></blockquote>
The blame is on the whole team we shouldn't be playing teams like that at home facing a defecit, it's just a bit worrying with the season so close.
Injuries piling up, players out of form and a distinct lack of passion was evident last night
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Originally posted by pete_8:
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The blame is on the whole team we shouldn't be playing teams like that at home facing a defecit, it's just a bit worrying with the season so close.
Injuries piling up, players out of form and a distinct lack of passion was evident last night</strong><hr></blockquote>
If it weren't for our performances against the shite teams last year ala Bolton we wouldn't be in the prelims
I for one am worried
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Positives
1. O’Shea - We have a good back up defender.
2. It is only 1-0.

Negatives
1. Brown - Another defender is out.
2. Forwards not sharp.
3. Giggs continues his poor form.
 
Originally posted by Red15:
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Giggs doesn't have a striker's instinct. Every time he gets a decent scoring opportunity, he seems to pass the ball. We can't count on Diego to score.
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Which is why the substitution was crazy.

Why not Forlan for Giggs who was having a bad game. It just didn't make sense. You don't weaken the attack when you need a goal.
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If Veron was average last night I'd love to see him play badly...

Your midfield was terrible, failed to take control against a dire team..

First time I'd seen O'Shea...looked decent, commanding for a youngster..tho obviously the standard of the opposition helped

and Phil Neville was Phil Neville...
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Why not Forlan for Giggs who was having a bad game. It just didn't make sense.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Because Diego Forlan is not a midfielder and we obviously didn't want to go three in attack. The Ole-Ruud combination wasn't getting a goal so Fergie tried something else with a player who, potentially, can give us something else.

Look, we have 3 strikers now which is one too less. If we decide now Forlan is not good enough and cannot come off the bench to play upfront, we're in huge trouble already!
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Originally posted by Amir:
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Because Diego Forlan is not a midfielder and we obviously didn't want to go three in attack. The Ole-Ruud combination wasn't getting a goal so Fergie tried something else with a player who, potentially, can give us something else.

Look, we have 3 strikers now which is one too less. If we decide now Forlan is not good enough and cannot come off the bench to play upfront, we're in huge trouble already!</strong><hr></blockquote>

So is Forlan good enough to come off and make a difference?
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Just some comments. United played averagely as a team, which you can just about accept, being the first competitive game fo the season.
I'd like say that United were playing what appeared to be 3-3-2. Messrs Neville and Giggs were fecking awful.
Neville is still at the club because of need for cover, but he is a poor player! Always late with his tackling, positional sense non-existent, distribution poor. In a word - shite. Dennis Irwin is still a better player than him now!
Dunno what to say about Giggs - his pre-season has not been good and I fail to see what he was doing last night. I wonder if he was instructed to play narrow in midfield cos he very rarely offered an outlet for Keane/Veron and Silvestre. But if his job WAS to play narrow and break from deep, he didn't do it. If that's the case, why not play Butt instead of Giggs?
As I said, an average display, but it cracks me up that the paper headlines are all about facing a Euro exit! Yes, in the sense that United are 1-0 down, but seriously, United will get through.
Final point: dunno how good Escude is, but if we were keen on him before, I suggest we need him even more now!
 
Originally posted by manusteve:
<strong>Just some comments. United played averagely as a team, which you can just about accept, being the first competitive game fo the season.
I'd like say that United were playing what appeared to be 3-3-2. Messrs Neville and Giggs were fecking awful.
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Watch the game again!
Giggs was fouled 23 times by their feckin Right back and the Twat of a Ref didn't book him once!
And the shirt puliing and the wrestling at corners went unpunished. I don't know what size of backhander the Ref got from the Hungarians but he earned every penny of it!
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I think Giggs should be rested. Becks came back strongly from the bench.
 
Last night I was angry, today I'm disappointing and concern about our play, Wes injury, deficit of strikers,etc. It will be touhg season for all of us. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
 
Originally posted by tomi:
<strong>Last night I was angry, today I'm disappointing and concern about our play, Wes injury, deficit of strikers,etc. It will be touhg season for all of us. :confused: </strong><hr></blockquote>

This is really my fear at the moment, there has been all this fighting talk about, the fact we won nothing last season and we will be back with renewed hunger and desire and all that, but there was no evidence to mirror that talk last night. Unless something dramatic happens I will have to say that it will be a very difficult season.

Furthermore, the injury situation - Brown, Barthez & G. Neville and also in my opinion more worryingly no 4th striker, there are some none playing problems that need to be solved, even before that spark, that is so badly missing is re-ignited on the field.

In my opinion what is needed is challenging for positions on the flanks of both the defence and the midfield, thats were in my opinion the players need to be hustled for their starting positions, eg. Giggs/Beckham/Silvestre whatever. This needs to be done with players that can actually play in those positions as oppossed to make-shift wingers. We seem to have competition for places in the central areas, but not on the flanks. This in my opinion could be a real problem for us.

Anyway enough of the pessimism, Good luck to the lads whom I truly believe will get it right this season, and I have a feeling that we could do a league & champions league double with a bit of luck and that classic united spirit. :)
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Originally posted by Cigar:
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This is really my fear at the moment, there has been all this fighting talk about, the fact we won nothing last season and we will be back with renewed hunger and desire and all that, but there was no evidence to mirror that talk last night. Unless something dramatic happens I will have to say that it will be a very difficult season.

Furthermore, the injury situation - Brown, Barthez & G. Neville and also in my opinion more worryingly no 4th striker, there are some none playing problems that need to be solved, even before that spark, that is so badly missing is re-ignited on the field.

In my opinion what is needed is challenging for positions on the flanks of both the defence and the midfield, thats were in my opinion the players need to be hustled for their starting positions, eg. Giggs/Beckham/Silvestre whatever. This needs to be done with players that can actually play in those positions as oppossed to make-shift wingers. We seem to have competition for places in the central areas, but not on the flanks. This in my opinion could be a real problem for us.

Anyway enough of the pessimism, Good luck to the lads whom I truly believe will get it right this season, and I have a feeling that we could do a league & champions league double with a bit of luck and that classic united spirit. :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

I have already been very tired to hear those non-sense like "a kick at the back", "empty-handed last season will make us hungry again" because i have already heard these things for over 2 years. May be what Roy Keane said is really true. Now our players already have so much fame and wealth that nothing happened on the football field can really hurt them. May be this is really the end of the road for the current team, who know? Let's wait for the league begin to see if it is really the truth.
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