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26 may 1999

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Am i the only one that watched us pinging the ball about again?

Playing like that...at that tempo we'll give anyone a game.

We can only add to that.
 
Our movement was a lot better, and we played the ball well on the deck, keeping possession - in the first half. Second half West Ham upped their game, and our possession dropped. The style of our play was better, and it was better to watch, even if it was all very central. Would have liked the aging Winterburn to have been tested more.
 
I thought we played very well,
Cant believe ppl are dissing it here.
Im allways happy to get a point at Upton Park, whatever the circumstances.
Their goal was off side too which pisse dme off totally,
great games by O'Shea, Brown & Veron especially.
 
Wes Brown's opinion is that it was a better performance but with 85 minutes gone we should have held onto the lead as we're really needed 3 points. Wes says he's been training for 2-3 weeks so he's got his fitness up, just hadn't had the games.
 
Ruud thinks we should have pushed on to get the second goal, but instead defended too deep and let them come on to us. The players are all disappointed, understandably, all iterating that we had to win there.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Ruud thinks we should have pushed on to get the second goal, but instead defended too deep and let them come on to us. The players are all disappointed, understandably, all iterating that we had to win there.</strong><hr></blockquote>We could see Ruud urging everyone to push forward on TV.
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Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>I thought we played very well,
Cant believe ppl are dissing it here.
Im allways happy to get a point at Upton Park, whatever the circumstances.
Their goal was off side too which pisse dme off totally,
great games by O'Shea, Brown & Veron especially.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I didn't think we played that badly.

Let's be honest - we have Keane, Butt, Rio, and Beckham out. I would be more concerned if we were full strength and under-performing.

The tactics are still a bit worrying - altho Wes had a good game, I'd have played JOS in the centre, if only because he and Blanc are probably a bit more familiar with each other. Wes is quite capable of playing right back.

Quinton did well, but I'd have swapped him and Scholes.

Ruud and Ole need to have a few games together to redevelop the partnership - there were signs today, but they need to get used to it again. Whatever opinions are of the different systems, the facts are that together, they scored more than any other European team last year, and they scored more than any other United pair since the 60s. And with goals in short supply, we need to play two goalscorers, not just one.

I have always given the majority of the credit for our goals to the midfield - when it was firing on all cylinders, it was no wonder that all our strikers had to do was get on the end of the service. Likewise now, the midfield isn't providing a particularly good service. When the main players come back, that should change.

Without a full complement of players, it's not easy to draw any real conclusions. I'd like to see the same team put out a few weeks running, because it doesn't do any good to keep tinkering with it. Stick with eleven if possible, and maybe it will gel.
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Originally posted by Murt:
I thought we played very well,
Cant believe ppl are dissing it here.
Im allways happy to get a point at Upton Park, whatever the circumstances.
Their goal was off side too which pisse dme off totally,
great games by O'Shea, Brown & Veron especially. <hr></blockquote>

I would add Blanc to that list.

I have still to be impressed by Fortune though I was not sure why he stayed on the pitch for ninety minutes.

The problem with playing West Ham is that you know James will makes 2/3 really big mistakes and he did but he will also make 2/3 saves and he did. And unhappily for us one of those saves was right at the end!
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It wasn't a bad performance- but we never really managed to dominate. No one player outside the defence really caught the eye but under the circumstances it was OK.

However, it highlighted the fact that the real problem with our injuries is not that we can't put out a decent starting side - but that we don't have the ability to bring on 2 or 3 proven winners with 20 minutes to go. This has taken away one of our most vital weapons - that ability to put games away in the last 10 minutes. Would have been the perfect game for OGS to have appeared in with fresh legs after 70 minutes.
 
I think Forlan should have been put on for Ole, as well as Richardson for Giggs, and maybe Davis for a minute for Veron with Scholes moving to central midfield.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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I didn't think we played that badly.

Let's be honest - we have Keane, Butt, Rio, and Beckham out. I would be more concerned if we were full strength and under-performing.

The tactics are still a bit worrying - altho Wes had a good game, I'd have played JOS in the centre, if only because he and Blanc are probably a bit more familiar with each other. Wes is quite capable of playing right back.

Quinton did well, but I'd have swapped him and Scholes.

Ruud and Ole need to have a few games together to redevelop the partnership - there were signs today, but they need to get used to it again. Whatever opinions are of the different systems, the facts are that together, they scored more than any other European team last year, and they scored more than any other United pair since the 60s. And with goals in short supply, we need to play two goalscorers, not just one.

I have always given the majority of the credit for our goals to the midfield - when it was firing on all cylinders, it was no wonder that all our strikers had to do was get on the end of the service. Likewise now, the midfield isn't providing a particularly good service. When the main players come back, that should change.

Without a full complement of players, it's not easy to draw any real conclusions. I'd like to see the same team put out a few weeks running, because it doesn't do any good to keep tinkering with it. Stick with eleven if possible, and maybe it will gel.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Livvie...

We love yer for your input but come on.

Someones got to do the oranges.
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I believe we lack confidence and therefore we didn't have the guts to go for the killer, instead letting them have the possession. Look at what happened when they scored - we created a couple of great chances in just a few minutes.

We also lacked a driving force from the midfield. Keane is the obvious one but I believe that Beckham and even Butt can too fill that role.

I agree that we played quite well - eps. considering who wasn't available.

I can't understand why we didn't make any substitutions tho. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
 
We couldn't get the ball to Ole or Ruud. As soon as they saw the ball, there were defenders swaming all over them. We missed Beckham in this game as we did in the derby. Veron played some nice balls in and I think he had a good game... Ole played his little skin off and deserved to stay on. Scholes was no where to be seen in the second half.

O'Shea.... my man of the match. Top bloke.

but when it all came down to the final whistle, we drew to a club that is facing a relagation battle.

piss poor.

btw decibel for decibel, the visiting supporters outclassed the east-enders
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Second half was pretty disappointing. I don't understand why we didn't go for the jugular, the Hammers are pretty poor at the back & a second goal would have killed them off, we'd probably have ended up battering them 4-0 or something. We only attacked them 2nd half after they'd equalised & even in the last 5 minutes we nearly scored twice. Ref had a bit of a poor game all round, stopping play when not necessary, a bit fussy about tackles & contact but I don't think it affected the result really. Liner got the offside wrong for their goal - ours was onside, Ruud was behind the ball when Ole crossed it but it had been coming. Leeds put 4 past them before half time last week but they played better against us, still think we would have got a second if we had gone for it more. Onto the next game....
 
everybody is saying that West Ham are not such a good team ..... do you remeber WH -Arsenal at the beginning of the season ... the gunners were really lucky to take a point home!! We played much better than the gunners did!!!
 
Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>I thought we played very well,
Cant believe ppl are dissing it here.
Im allways happy to get a point at Upton Park, whatever the circumstances.
Their goal was off side too which pisse dme off totally,
great games by O'Shea, Brown & Veron especially.</strong><hr></blockquote>
We played very well??? Which game did you watch? Apart from the John, Wes, and Ruud, who were quite good, the rest were just just between so so and bad. More importantly, we didn't function well as a team, i.e. no leader, which make the midfield a mess.
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Originally posted by manfromthemars:
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We played very well??? Which game did you watch? Apart from the John, Wes, and Ruud, who were quite good, the rest were just just between so so and bad. More importantly, we didn't function well as a team, i.e. no leader, which make the midfield a mess.</strong><hr></blockquote>

what game were YOU watching man?

have you watched any other game of this season? this can be considered one of the best so far.. considering that we have beck, butt, keane, and rio out.. i've heard that Gaz is also now out injured for about 2-3 weeks..

the midfield was a mess because there were not a lot of them there.. it was 4-3-3 tonight and we had depend largely on our defence.

i have to disagree with you here, except for giggs i thought we put in pretty good effort tonight.

go read the players' ratings thread.. one of the best ratings this season overall in the EPL games.
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Originally posted by osterdal:
<strong>I believe we lack confidence
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I think that's a definite possibility. There's a fear in the side at the moment that only a few good performances, not necessarily wins, will put right.
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Originally posted by 26 may 1999:
<strong>Am i the only one that watched us pinging the ball about again?

Playing like that...at that tempo we'll give anyone a game.

We can only add to that.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, quite good it was

Games at West Ham always are though aren't they?

With a little more accuracy we'd have looked very good indeed and to be honest, i'd have settled for the draw before the game but not after 80 minutes, i was kinda celebrating the win

Shame
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good performance,plyed well as a team. what pissed me off was the referee. coz i think the goal that defoe scored was blatantly offside. i thought defos goal in da first half that was disallowed had more of a chance of being allowed to stand. a diabolical decision. havin said *** though we will have to up the tempo and the performance next time we're away against liverpool.
 
Originally posted by Taker:
<strong>good performance,plyed well as a team. what pissed me off was the referee. coz i think the goal that defoe scored was blatantly offside. i thought defos goal in da first half that was disallowed had more of a chance of being allowed to stand. a diabolical decision. havin said *** though we will have to up the tempo and the performance next time we're away against liverpool.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Their goal looked very much off, but so did ours from where I sat.
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I watched the game in midnight , I was disappointed about the result , the players were played hard , what was going wrong? I didn't understand why 2 to 3 player to mark 1 opponent?
 
Originally posted by manfromthemars:
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We played very well??? Which game did you watch? Apart from the John, Wes, and Ruud, who were quite good, the rest were just just between so so and bad. More importantly, we didn't function well as a team, i.e. no leader, which make the midfield a mess.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree.I watched the whole game and from this unbiased observer,the minimum West Ham deserved was a point,and with a little more luck would have bagged all 3pts.

The first half was pretty even with both sides dominating in periods,however,it was pretty much all one way in the second as West Ham put Man Utd under almost constant pressure.An excellent second half from West Ham belying their league position......and probably as well as they have played this season.
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Thought we played pretty well,It was a good game to watch and we were unlucky with the West Ham goal decision,but that seems to be the way of the season with all the injuries etc.

A thing some people overlook on here sometimes is that there are two teams on the pitch and players always lift their game against Utd.

Don`t know which player but someone in the pub said a WH player was quoted in the press saying he could`nt sleep sat night cos this game meant so much to him.
 
Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>I thought we played very well,
Cant believe ppl are dissing it here.
Im allways happy to get a point at Upton Park, whatever the circumstances.
Their goal was off side too which pisse dme off totally,
great games by O'Shea, Brown & Veron especially.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Murt mate! you are so out to lunch with that statement its not even funny!

veron had an especially good game??!!
You are happy to get a point at Upton park??!!

Come on, surely you dont believe what your writing there -its just a wind-up right?...
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Veron played well i thought(first half)...
if only we keep on pushing for another goal..
 
Originally posted by zippy:
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Murt mate! you are so out to lunch with that statement its not even funny!

veron had an especially good game??!!
You are happy to get a point at Upton park??!!

Come on, surely you dont believe what your writing there -its just a wind-up right?...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, and Murt will also be happy for us to get a point from City, Bolton, Villa, Fulham, etc. starting from now. But just where are the matches we are supposed to be able to get all 3 points?
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Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>I thought you were crap

Against a West Ham team that have been terrible of late...</strong><hr></blockquote>

So were you against a poor Sunderland....
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We weren't, we totally outclassed them..non stop pressure from start to finish...the result was poor the performance wasn't..

West Ham were the better team
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
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what game were YOU watching man?

have you watched any other game of this season? this can be considered one of the best so far.. considering that we have beck, butt, keane, and rio out.. i've heard that Gaz is also now out injured for about 2-3 weeks..

the midfield was a mess because there were not a lot of them there.. it was 4-3-3 tonight and we had depend largely on our defence.

i have to disagree with you here, except for giggs i thought we put in pretty good effort tonight.

go read the players' ratings thread.. one of the best ratings this season overall in the EPL games.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Maybe one of the best in PL, not including CL. But still, doesn't mean we played good at all. Especially the midfield, we I think the main main problem at the moment. Failed to dominate, failed to protect the defense, failed the service the attack, and really a mess. Veron tried hard to nothing, though no one can question his commitment to playing for United anymore. Giggsy just didn't bother to play. Ran like a fat old man. No longer deserve a first team place. Scholesy was largely ineffective on the wing. Why just don't stick him to where he does best? Fortune was just not good enough.
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Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>We weren't, we totally outclassed them..non stop pressure from start to finish...the result was poor the performance wasn't..

West Ham were the better team</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, played better, just unlucky not to win huh? How many times more this season will we hear that excuse?
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Originally posted by zippy:
<strong>veron had an especially good game??!!
You are happy to get a point at Upton park??!!
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Like i usually say, name me 3 or 4 players (not O'shea or Brown) who were better than him.
West Ham away is allways a tough game and if i were to sit down every season and choose where we got points it choose a point at Upton Park.
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Originally posted by Murt:
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Like i usually say, name me 3 or 4 players (not O'shea or Brown) who were better than him.
West Ham away is allways a tough game and if i were to sit down every season and choose where we got points it choose a point at Upton Park.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Like what I said in another thread, you rely on record and statistic too much.

Upton Park doesn't eat people. West Ham is becoming poorer and poorer each season. They are now bottom of table.

Not long ago we seems never will lose to Liverpool, and anyone who say we will be beaten by Bolton in two consecutive seasons will be branded as the most hopeless idiot.

The point is:
record is something which is to be made and broken, not something to be obey

If the whole team think like you (content to take one point from Uption Park every year), we are doomed.
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