The original Superman movie

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er...does it kind of suck, or is it just me? I mean, the score is great, and Reeves and Hackman are good, but that actress playing Louis Lane is terrible, he travels back through time(!) and that scene with Lane's monologue in the sky is so cringeworthy.

So, does is it sort of rubbish?
 
Its pretty good, I prefer the second one. Kneel before Zod! The time travelling in both is stupid though.

I do love the last scene in the first film, sums up Superman:

Warden: This country is safe again, Superman, thanks to you.
Superman: No, sir. Don't thank me, Warden. We're all part of the same team. Good night.
 
Wonder Pigeon said:
er...does it kind of suck, or is it just me? I mean, the score is great, and Reeves and Hackman are good, but that actress playing Louis Lane is terrible, he travels back through time(!) and that scene with Lane's monologue in the sky is so cringeworthy.

So, does is it sort of rubbish?
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What? :confused:

I think it's great. I'm a big fan of Superman and now Smallville :nervous: and I go through the box set every few months when I'm bored.

Considering the poor special effects that were about at the time it was a masterpiece.
 
It was great when it came out. The flying stunts were quite revolutionary. Margot Kidder was perfect and hot. She turned out a bit ropey though.

Superman 2 is the best though.
 
Nah, I have it on, and I'm pretty sure I think its rubbish. And I do like Superman. Its still not as bad as Bryan Singer's effort a few years ago, in fairness/
 
Singer screwed up Superman, he got the tone all wrong and I'm sick and tired of Lex Luthor, and I say that as a fan. The first two movies look a bit ropey now; they could do with remastering for a start. But I loved them. Went down hill from Superman 3.
 
People need to realise that this movie is over 30 years old and is a masterpeice for it's time.

Still a classic for me and by far the best superman film ever.

I really like smallville but was incredibly underwhelmed by the Bryan singer monstrosity Superman returns. The man should be flogged daily for that bastardisation (is that a word?).
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
We need a Super Man movie minus Luthor and Zod to really change things up.
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Agree totally. As a bit of a superman fan boy I think it's time that Hollywood executives grew some fecking balls and gave us the Superman vs Doomsday movie we've all been waiting for.
 
I can't believe there are people who like Smallville. I've never even been able to sit through a full episode, I'd rather watch a Liverpool match.

Superman Returns was a bit pants, Singer screwed it up by making it so serious and downbeat, the mood was depressing and even the colour of everything was drab. I didn't actually mind the guy that played Superman though.
 
Garethw said:
Agree totally. As a bit of a superman fan boy I think it's time that Hollywood executives grew some fecking balls and gave us the Superman vs Doomsday movie we've all been waiting for.
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Screw that, I want them to do one based on the all star superman series. Also check out the superman vs doomsday animated film. It's really good.
 
gambit28 said:
Screw that, I want them to do one based on the all star superman series. Also check out the superman vs doomsday animated film. It's really good.
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Yeah I've seen that one mate, it's awesome.
 
i think the batman producers did a great job with the remake of those movies (Batman Returns/Dark Knight)....

maybe superman needs a darker less comic book appeal

the comic book humour of spiderman ruins it IMO
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Apart from Luthor and Doomsday..what other great Superman villain should they bring to the big screen?
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Darkseid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bizarro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mongul - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lobo (DC Comics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Those guys are all pretty good villains, but they're all a bit out there, far removed from someone like Luthor.

By the way Superman Returns is on BBC1 in about 15 minutes.
 
The problem with Superman Returns is that the film takes half an hour for any real plot to thicken and even still nothing much happens by the end of it. I still stick by my opinion that it's got some brilliant sfx though.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Apart from Luthor and Doomsday..what other great Superman villain should they bring to the big screen?
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Brainiac is always a popular villain but not sure if it would transfer onto the big screen too well, depending on which version of Brainiac they decide to go with.
I think a movie with Doomsday, Brainiac working with Lexcorp and a death of Superman story could work quite well.
But you would have to have the comic book Lex not the hammed up joking Lex we've had in the movies.
I think the Lex that was portrayed in Smallville was probably closer to the Lex in the comics than the movie versions.

Superman The Movie was a great achievement back in the day and is one of my favourite movies of all time.
But Christopher Reeve made the movie, I don't think anyone else could have pulled off the bumbling Clark and the contrast in character as Superman.

Also if you thought the turning back time to save Lois was a bit wrong well you're right, that scene was produced for the end of the 2nd movie as they were shooting both movies together to save costs.
Lois wasn't meant to die in the original version but because they were running out of time and money they decided to close the movie with Lois dying and Superman going back in time to save her.
The 2nd movie was shot by 2 directors, the director of the 1st movie shot the 1st half of the movie and then got sacked and the 2nd director changed the 2nd half of the movie to his version.

They have released the Donner cut of the 2nd movie using previously unseen footage and footage used in the scene tests.
It's a different storyline in this movie and although not perfect is a bit better than the original Superman 2.

Anyone interested, you can watch it on youtube.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
 
you're all complete and utter spastics, it's a terrible film, and 2 is even worse. Dated doesn't even come close to describing them. You can't judge it on the effects of course, just everything else, which is appalling. Terrible writing, direction and acting. It's farcical. Take the scene in 2 when Zod and the rest of the evil BeeGee's are blowing metropolis to ruin. Not only are people mime slow walking against the wind while cars are being tossed about like paper above them, but the wind is blowing in different directions in each shot. Sorry, but there's no excuse for that shoddyness... and Kidder is a complete loon.

I don't buy the whole "it's a Masterpeice of it's time" business cos it isn't. Standards for comic book films were woefully low back then but standards for films in general weren't. They were quite high in fact. They were made after the Godfather. THE GODFATHER! We live in an age after Batman, Spiderman, X-men 2 and The Dark Knight...we should really look back on these as quite embarassing, but for some reason nostalgia kicks in and people refuse to see the truth....they're awful. Really really awful.

I mean, what the feck is this all about?




:D

Happy New Year Superman fans!
 
101 said:
The problem with Superman Returns is that the film takes half an hour for any real plot to thicken and even still nothing much happens by the end of it. I still stick by my opinion that it's got some brilliant sfx though.
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Parket Poser is in it though and I love her.
 
Ah yes but as I said in my previous post a lot of the failings in Superman 2 were to do with the fact that a new director took over half way through. The throwing the S symbols were his idea and a bad one at that.
The 1st movie cost a hell of a lot to be made and in the end both movies suffered. But I agree with you on the shoddyness but most of that came down to the new director and budget cuts.
I still stand by the 1st movie though, I think it was a great movie although a bit dated now.
 


Christopher Reeve was the perfect Superman though, even if his films were a little silly.
 
Logan! said:
What? :confused:

I think it's great. I'm a big fan of Superman and now Smallville :nervous: and I go through the box set every few months when I'm bored.

Considering the poor special effects that were about at the time it was a masterpiece.
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Smallville was good the first 3 or 4 seasons. Season 5 was ok. Since then though, it's been shit.
 
101 said:
The problem with Superman Returns is that the film takes half an hour for any real plot to thicken and even still nothing much happens by the end of it. I still stick by my opinion that it's got some brilliant sfx though.
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The problem with Returns is that Superman is a whiny bitch in it. If I wanted to watch Superman be a whiny bitch, I'd watch Smallville.
 
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