the evolution of music

brewlio

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50s - rock and roll

60s - blues, psychadelic rock, folk, mod

70s - glam rock, prog rock, heavy metal, punk

80s - new romantic, mod revival (including ska), pop, soft rock, indie, acid

90s - house music, grunge, baggy, brit pop

00s - mosh (nu metal), indie revival, all that emo shite

i often wonder, where does the music industry go from here ? obviously every genre has its day which leaves a niche in the market for impressionable teenage wannabe's to jump on the next bandwagon and make it THE thing of their generation. as much as I ponder I haven't a clue which way the market will go.

I mean will it just be a new fangled splinter of an already existing genre of music or will it be something totally new and radical, as punk proved to be when it came out of nowhere round about '76.

any thoughts ?
 
Post-rock from the late 90s was a refreshing new direction that didn`t catch on much as most people will always prefer a versus-chorus-verse arrangement.
 
Nearco said:
Post-rock from the late 90s was a refreshing new direction that didn`t catch on much as most people will always prefer a versus-chorus-verse arrangement.
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and the thing is, that if the mass media would have hyped it to death it would have done. if they hyped acid skiffle with undertones of calpyso reggae it would take off
 
brewlio said:
50s - rock and roll

60s - blues, psychadelic rock, folk, mod

70s - glam rock, prog rock, heavy metal, punk

80s - new romantic, mod revival (including ska), pop, soft rock, indie, acid

90s - house music, grunge, baggy, brit pop

00s - mosh (nu metal), indie revival, all that emo shite
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Hip-Hop?
 
If you are talking about the evolution in general then you have missed out a load of genres like most of electronic music which is were a lot of new ideas have been coming from
 
folk will return and the cycle will begin again, or perhaps all forms of music will be selling again as the individual takes over from the scene.
 
The way music has worked in general over the last century is a new genre starts 'underground', amongst black communities, and is then adopted and 'sanitised' by white musicians for white audiences.
 
Saw this thread and thought of this



The transformers version has more dancing styles in it.
 
MikeUpNorth said:
The way music has worked in general over the last century is a new genre starts 'underground', amongst black communities, and is then adopted and 'sanitised' by white musicians for white audiences.
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Quite a big generalisation - maybe true for hip-hop, soul, blues and jazz but certainly not rock and roll, folk, country and western and before this century classical.
 
AdZzUtd said:
Quite a big generalisation - maybe true for hip-hop, soul, blues and jazz but certainly not rock and roll, folk, country and western and before this century classical.
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You're joking right? You're saying rock and roll didn't come from black origins?
 
brewlio said:
any thoughts ?
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One problem with your list is that music did not start in th 50s, however, you are right in that mass published music probably started around that time. Even still, you missed out such an influential genre as jazz.

Young people do not drive music directly, however the youth culture of the time does. If this global recession goes on for a while, then I would expect that the music will reflect that, and we'll get depressing types of recordings similar (not necessarily in style) to what the Smiths and others put out.
 
brewlio said:
50s - rock and roll

60s - blues, psychadelic rock, folk, mod

70s - glam rock, prog rock, heavy metal, punk

80s - new romantic, mod revival (including ska), pop, soft rock, indie, acid

90s - house music, grunge, baggy, brit pop, HIP-HOP

00s - mosh (nu metal), indie revival, all that emo shite, HIP-HOP
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I think it's safe to say Hip-Hop is the one genre that has surprised most by its dominance over the last 2 decades.
 
Anderson Searl said:
I think it's safe to say Hip-Hop is the one genre that has surprised most by its dominance over the last 2 decades.
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Didnt suprise me, its new motown. Also, for the crap hip hop type, its very appealing to record companies as its all about consumer lifestyles, marketing etc. (hos dollars bitches rides)

Where do we go from here? With the internet and the collapse of the record companies being imminent, we're pressing the big ol' reset button. Which is fantastic news! With music not being a profitable industry, people will make music for musics sake and not as a radio unit shifter. Also, it will be with more computer processing as people will not have as much access to all these instruments like they did in the past... who knows?
 
WeasteDevil said:
Young people do not drive music directly, however the youth culture of the time does. If this global recession goes on for a while, then I would expect that the music will reflect that, and we'll get depressing types of recordings similar (not necessarily in style) to what the Smiths and others put out.
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Interesting that he mentioned Indie revival in a thread discussing music evolution when Indie as a genre hasn`t evolved at all. Nothing in recent times can hold a candle to The Smiths or Joy Division or The Stone Roses. Metal on the other hand, seen as a bit of a joke genre especially in the 80s, has, in parts evolved and is home to a small band of intelligent thoughful musicians nowadays.
 
Personally ts moved on a terrible direction. I can't take this rap and hip hop nonsense. Bring back the rock.
 
70's psychadelic rock was still flourishing but over a period of time it sucked going forward..ganja and training alone cannot produce music.

80's new age electronica...from hard rock composers shifted over to extensively using synthesizers...

90's begining of the era of shite music and gradually in the last 18 years or so it engulfed every other genre. Rap was ruling during this era

60's Jazz started to gain momentum that was directly proportional to the popularity of Louis Armstrong, followed by miles davies,coltrane, hancock etal. john mclaughlin the first of to carry on with jazz fusion in his first jazz crossover album shakti that diversed in to various forms of jazz blues. Also era of brass music

80's peter gabriel in his passion album that was done as a sound track for last temptation of christ popularised the concept world music.
 
Scholesgoals said:
Didnt suprise me, its new motown. Also, for the crap hip hop type, its very appealing to record companies as its all about consumer lifestyles, marketing etc. (hos dollars bitches rides)
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New Motown? All about bitches and bling? You don't have a clue, do you.
 
WeasteDevil said:
One problem with your list is that music did not start in th 50s, however, you are right in that mass published music probably started around that time. Even still, you missed out such an influential genre as jazz.

Young people do not drive music directly, however the youth culture of the time does. If this global recession goes on for a while, then I would expect that the music will reflect that, and we'll get depressing types of recordings similar (not necessarily in style) to what the Smiths and others put out.
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its internet spasticity that drives music these days. If an album is made popular in the net through some amateur reviews, and shite blogs there would be loads of muppets willing to subscribe that.
 
Laphroaig said:
New Motown? All about bitches and bling? You don't have a clue, do you.
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what?

Good hip hop, (not bitches and bling) has a very strong soul influence, which harkens back to the 60's motown explosion.

If you're going to go all keyboard warrior on me, the least you could do is fecking read my post properly. If you had done that you would have noticed that i differentiated between bad and good hip hop. I do know what im talking about fella.
 
In art there are only fast or slow developments. Essentially it is a matter of evolution, not revolution.
Béla Bartok (1881–1945)

As time goes on we mostly just get the same sh1t recycled for people who are too young to remember the original due to the feeling the musicians get from emulating their idols.
 
Hip Hop become a victim of its own Success. Then the majors got involved a directed it to where it is today.
Along the way the Hip Hop was slowly diluted and "Rap" music evolved.
The british went a more intresting route via Trip hop, DNB, Uk Garage, two step,Grime...etc.
Also the Korean Djs are remixing old BBoy tunes with a modern twist which is fresh. The Europeans and Asians have embraced the good Hip Hop and added their own flavor, which hopefully will run full cycle and influence the genral scene.
 
Laphroaig said:
So you agree with SG that hiphop was a predictable evolution of the Motown soul, exccept being all about the bitches and the bling? Wouldn't expect that from someone's who's into hiphop like you.
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That's "rap" you generalising idiot.

Hip-Hop is beautiful.
 
WeasteDevil said:
Young people do not drive music directly, however the youth culture of the time does. If this global recession goes on for a while, then I would expect that the music will reflect that, and we'll get depressing types of recordings similar (not necessarily in style) to what the Smiths and others put out.
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good post. it is fact that music is influenced by social conscience, reaction and feelings to numerous gloabl incidents. call it cognitive culture expressed through the medium of sound and speech. a great example of this is the late 70s-early 80s music and lyrics of The Jam. post-punk cockney boys telling the world what its like to live in a racially divided, depressed area, with little faith in the govt and no prospects. combined with the soundtrack that accompanied these rantings epitomised the times.
 
Anderson Searl said:
Do you want a list of artists? When you dig deeper than commercial rotations there's alot of beautiful, well done music and great lyricists out there.
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wouldn't mind a list. I'm into rock and honestly quite dislike rap and rnb, so I would like to know whether I'm judging rnb correctly or I'm missing out on the better stuff a d judging the worst bit.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
wouldn't mind a list. I'm into rock and honestly quite dislike rap and rnb, so I would like to know whether I'm judging rnb correctly or I'm missing out on the better stuff a d judging the worst bit.
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I can help with this, there is some very good rap and hip hop out there, which has a great deal of musical credibility.

Blackalicious
jurassic 5 - anything
Dj Format - and Abdominal (check out the hit song and battle raps)
Dj Shadow - comes more under trip hop
Outkast - Aquemini and stankonia are great albums, southernplayadelicalistic whatever - i havent heard but might be worth keeping an ear out for
I actually like a lot of the early snoop and dre stuff, the first Chronic album and snoops first are pretty good.
The Roots are fantastic
Mr Scruff

i'm only an entry level listener but alot of these are great,
 
I can't see past 2Pac if one wants to not only listen to Rap but learn so much about the genre. Ok there is older stuff to learn the beginnings etc but you can feel the energy of his songs at raps peak the whole east coast / west coast beef and ultimately the untimely demise of Raps greatest superstar.
 
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