The Birth of The Stretford End

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The West Stand – somehow it has a very unfamiliar ring about it. I look at the towering monument which is very much part of the magnificent stadium that is Old Trafford today, but in my heart I feel that it has replaced something that contributed so much to Manchester United’s proud history. In reality, it has replaced something that really was irreplaceable – the Stretford End. It’s like having Roast Beef without Yorkshire Pudding, Morecambe without Wise, Stilton without Port. Something drastically is missing.

I first stood at the Stretford End of the ground in the late 1950’s. Back then, it was just a small insignificant row of terracing. I suppose that its main claim to fame in those days was that before a match started, be it first team or reserves, you could stand at the top of the Stretford End terracing and look down over the surrounding wall of the ground, then out over the Glover’s Cables Sports Ground, and watch their work’s teams playing. It wasn’t unusual before a game to hear and see the crowd at the Stretford End cheering on their adopted team!

Contrary to popular belief, United’s attendances back then were nowhere near as big as has been made out. People were selective in the games that they watched. The average was around 30,000 per game. In the aftermath of Munich, attendances did soar, but they did settle down again in the following years to an average of between 30 – 35,000. People loved to see the goals scored and they would flock to the areas behind the goal. The ground was such in those times that you could walk around it from either side of the old player’s tunnel without hindrance. It used to be fascinating during the half time break, watching fans moving from one end of the ground to the other like an army of marching ants descending on their prey! One end would be sparsely populated and the other end would be bulging!

In the immediate aftermath of the tragedy, there was an initial huge surge in home gates, but again, as the ‘57/’58 season came to an end, attendances did tail off. In the 10 home League/Cup/EC games after the tragedy, the average attendance was 48,907. Before the tragedy for 18 League/Cup/EC games, the average attendance was 44,850. In the 1958/59 season, United rode a crest of a wave and finished runners-up in the League – a phenomenal feat given that the season had kicked off just six months after the tragedy. It was reflected in attendances, when for the first time in their history, over a million fans pushed through those old turnstiles in 21 League/Cup fixtures. The total figure was some 1,066,425 in League/Cup games giving an average attendance of 50,782.

Harold Hardman, the then Chairman was a shrewd old fellow and with that increase in attendances he saw the potential for increased revenue for the Club. At the beginning of 1959, at a Board meeting, it was decided to improve the facilities in the stadium. The dilemma was, which part of the ground would they improve? It was decided to increase the capacity at the Stretford End by taking the terracing a little higher and also putting in 1500 seats and building a covered stand. At the Scoreboard End, they decided to rebuild the old Scoreboard by demolishing the old wooden/corrugated Scoreboard and erecting a purpose built brick structure.

Work began immediately the ‘58/’59 season ended and continued throughout that summer. When the ‘59/’60 season began, the work had been completed and the ground had a completely new look to it. United opened that season away to West Brom at the Hawthorns, on Saturday August 22nd, losing 3-2 in a terrific game which I recall attending, mainly for Bill Foulkes scoring a wonderful goal with a diving header which flew like a rocket into the back of the net. Unfortunately for United fans, Harry Gregg never saw it and it happening in the last few minutes of the game, proved to be the winner for Albion!

The following Wednesday evening, August 22nd, the first home game of the season was played against Chelsea and 57, 674 fans poured into the ground to watch United lose 1-0. The team that night was; Gregg; Greaves, Carolan; Goodwin, Foulkes, McGuinness; Bradley, Quixall, Charlton, Viollet and Scanlon.

The Streford End in those early days was no more vocal than the Scoreboard End, and most of the noise during matches used to come from the Popular Side or Glover’s Side as it was then known, and which is now where the North Stand is situated. It was like that until the 1962 World Cup Final competition which had taken place in Chile, was over. During that World Cup, apart from Brazil retaining the trophy which they had won in Stockholm in 1958, and the rough play the competition had witnessed, the thing which is remembered most is the chanting which came from the Brazilian fans. They would clap their hands in rapid succession and finish by chanting “Braaaaa- zilllllllll” Chanting was unheard of on British grounds up until then but at the start of the ‘62/’63 season, British fans started to copy the Brazilian chant.

At the start of that season, the Stretford End started to come into it’s own, and it was the area where most of the young fans began to congregate. It was also no coincidence that the emergence of the Streford End began with the arrival of a certain lithe, athletic, blonde, inside forward from Torino by the name of Denis Law! He’d been signed by Sir Matt during that close season and on August 18th, 1962 in the first game of the season, against West Bromwich Albion, he played his first game for Manchester United. 51,685 fans turned up and the United team that sunny afternoon was; Gaskell; Brennan, Dunne; Stiles, Foulkes, Setters; Giles, Quixall, Herd, Law and Moir. United attacked the Stretford End in the first half, and in the eighth minute of the game, Giles had the ball out wide on the right. He was hemmed in by Graham Williams (the same full back George Best was to face a little over a year later on making his debut for United) the Albion full back. As Williams jockeyed Giles, the United man feinted to go outside but then suddenly checked back and made half a yard of space for himself. He hit a hopeful cross into the area designed to land around the penalty spot. It seemed a “nothing” ball until that is, there was a blur of red and white, sprinting into the penalty area at full pace. A prodigious leap, and the body seemed to hang in the air for an eternity. The timing had been perfect, and there was a quick turn of the blonde head as the ball was met full on with the forehead. The ball absolutely rocketed into the back of the Albion net to give United the early lead. It was a classic goal, and it mattered not one iota to those United fans who were stood on the Stretford End that afternoon, that just over eighteen months previously, the scorer had been turning out in the sky blue of Manchester City! The scorer had fallen as he landed and picking himself up he wheeled away in front of the Stretford End, his right arm raised in the air, his finger pointing to the heavens, and his face aglow with that wonderful smile. The roars of approval rolled down that Stretford End terracing and the fans came tumbling down in waves to greet their new hero. We were beginning the dawn of a new era – we had a our first “king” – and the Stretford End had been born. The sight of Denis Law wheeling away in that classic pose after scoring was to become a familiar sight in the years that followed. For those of us stood there that day, little did we know the pleasures in store for us all during those coming years. The Stretford End grew in stature from that moment on and the chants became more discernable and voiciferous. It was the start of an era that we became to know as “Best, Busby and Bachus” – but it was also the beginning of the “Stretty End” and the start of some wonderful, memorable experiences to come!
 
TomClare said:
Bill Foulkes scoring a wonderful goal with a diving header which flew like a rocket into the back of the net. Unfortunately for United fans, Harry Gregg never saw it and it happening in the last few minutes of the game, proved to be the winner for Albion!

:lol:

Ouch...
 
Interesting stuff Tom. A question you can maybe answer me, a lot of todays United supporters get stick from their elders for being post 1990 or premiership formation JCL's. Did any of that kind of thing go in back in the 60's with the Best - Law - Charlton team?

And incidently, I had a pub sunday lunch the other week, and it came without any yorkies. I was not happy
 
Insightful as usual, Tom. Didn't realize that chanting came into the British game only in 1962.
 
MarliMan said:
too long, summarise it

Idiot. Tom is a legend and a top top fan. If you can't be bothered to learn something about your club than sod off out of the thread.

Interesting read that, much appreciated. I could read stories from that era all day long.
 
SmashedHombre said:
Idiot. Tom is a legend and a top top fan. If you can't be bothered to learn something about your club than sod off out of the thread.

Interesting read that, much appreciated. I could read stories from that era all day long.
:lol:
 
Brad_Cantona83 said:
Interesting stuff Tom. A question you can maybe answer me, a lot of todays United supporters get stick from their elders for being post 1990 or premiership formation JCL's. Did any of that kind of thing go in back in the 60's with the Best - Law - Charlton team?

And incidently, I had a pub sunday lunch the other week, and it came without any yorkies. I was not happy

Different eras and times. No, it didn't go on back then, but then again, the match day experience was a lot different to what it is today. There also wasn't the hype and marketing stuff that you see today. Fans were fans irrespective of where they came from. What I think you see today though, and I am not talking about the hard core support here (everybody has to start somewhere and somewhen in their young lives, supporting United) is that there is a fairly big corporate/day tripper number of fans at United's games and I think it is these fans that tend to be resented. Young people can't help being born and brought up in the age of the Premiership, but what they do have to realise is that there was a game pre-1992. The Premiership is so hyped up by the media, and tends to forget that football didn't begin in 1992.
 
spinoza said:
Tom, was Bill Foulkes playing as left back or centre back in that game against Albion?


cannot remember Foulkes ever playing left back - always Centre Half as it was then - but Tom or Julian can confirm that or not
 
topper said:
cannot remember Foulkes ever playing left back - always Centre Half as it was then - but Tom or Julian can confirm that or not

Topper his normal position was right full back, and in that game against WBA he did play at centre half - Greaves and Carolan were the full backs.
 
Bill Foulkes for me will always be a legend, and nobody plays almost 685 games for Manchester United without being some player. He was the right back in the "babes" team, but after Munich, he shouldered a lot of responsibility both on the playing pitch, and as Club Captain. His form did suffer and Busby did leave him out of the team for a while. Ronnie Cope got injured so Bill was given a run out for a period as centre half. He then regained his place at full back, but in the early sixties, Busby moved him to centre half and he stayed there for the rest of his career.

Definitely an unsung hero, and when we talk about the sixties, it's always the holy trinity of Best, law and Charlton, plus Crerand and Stiles that get the plaudits. Believe me, Bill Foulkes more than played his part in the 60's glory, and is often much maligned for his part. He's every bit of a legend in my eyes for his service and contributions to United.
 
A nice read that is, thanks for sharing Tom. Cheers
 
spinoza said:
Really? Why?
Because he wasn't one of the "flair" players, and one of the guys who really made the headlines, plus, Bill only won 1 cap and that was back in 1955. In my opinion Bill was a rock in defence after he switched to centre half and not too many centre forwards got any change out of him at all. He wasn't the guy who really took the eye, but his consistency was incredible. It was only in his last season that time caught up with him. He was 36 when he played in the 68 ECF and almost 38 when he called it a day.
 
Thanks Tom!

BTW. Did you change side from Stretty to Scoreboard after 45 min
and where there any confrontation (when changing side ;) ) between rival supporters at that time?
 
TomClare said:
Topper his normal position was right full back, and in that game against WBA he did play at centre half - Greaves and Carolan were the full backs.


I think we may both be right Tom - from the time I started watching United he played Centre Half - For the Cafe young uns some info on the great man

A huge, strong, centre-half, Bill Foulkes was a Busby Babe, who survived Munich and played top flight football for nearly twenty years. Foulkes joined Manchester United as an amateur in March 1950, later turning professional in August 1951. In his early days Foulkes combined playing football with work at a coal mine, feeling that he was not good enough to make the grade.

Only when called up to the England team was he convinced to give up his job at the colliery. He made his debut for United half way through the 1952-53 season as right full-back, but later moved to his favoured position of centre-half. Foulkes was United's wall of steel, who might well have been hewn out of solid rock from the coal-fields he worked in. He enjoyed the physical side of football, being powerful in the air and competent on the floor.

As one of the survivors of the Munich air crash, Foulkes took over as captain of a depleted United team. He led them miraculously to the FA Cup Final at Wembley in 1958 where sadly United lost out to Bolton 2-0. In a distinguished career at Old Trafford, Foulkes won four League Championship medals in 1956, 1957, 1965 and 1967.

The big defender also played three FA Cup Finals in 1957, 1958 and 1963, collecting a winners' medal after the 3-1 over Leicester in 1963. To crown his career he won a European Cup winners' medal in 1968 in that famous Benifca victory. In addition to this he was capped by England at under-23 levels, but his solitary full England cap was poor reward for a player of his obvious calibre.
 
topper said:
Only when called up to the England team was he convinced to give up his job at the colliery. He made his debut for United half way through the 1952-53 season as right full-back, but later moved to his favoured position of centre-half.

Are you sure about that Topper? I feel he was a professional when he was called up by England - the first three on the England teamsheet were United players - Wood, Foulkes and Byrne. As Tom says, he was really a full back, who moved to centre half when United were short and stayed there for many years. He was never particularly highly rated as he was mainly a big stopper, but a great club man. I remember him scoring the equaliser against Real Madrid in the European Cup semi in 1968, that took them to the final. He said something about United playing two centre backs in the opposition's penalty area. Good man.
 
Derek Brown said:
NOT surprisingly, that comment makes me come to the conclusion that you are a dickhead!:nono:

The reply to my comment makes me come to the conclusion that you are in fact unable to understand the fundamental idea behind the concept of light hearted humor.

For you and the rest of the resident pea brains: GREAT POST.
 
mista john said:
Are you sure about that Topper? I feel he was a professional when he was called up by England - the first three on the England teamsheet were United players - Wood, Foulkes and Byrne. As Tom says, he was really a full back, who moved to centre half when United were short and stayed there for many years. He was never particularly highly rated as he was mainly a big stopper, but a great club man. I remember him scoring the equaliser against Real Madrid in the European Cup semi in 1968, that took them to the final. He said something about United playing two centre backs in the opposition's penalty area. Good man.

He was still a part timer then - the actual game was in fact in late 1954 and as you said, the first three were Wood, Foulkes and Byrne. He didn't sign full time pro until January 1955 - and there was a really good reason why he delayed it so long - can anyone guess what that reason was?
 
7even said:
Thanks Tom!

BTW. Did you change side from Stretty to Scoreboard after 45 min
and where there any confrontation (when changing side ;) ) between rival supporters at that time?

Back in those days there wasn't the tribalism between fans that you see today. It was all good natured banter and fans went to see a game of football. More often than not whether you had won or lost, there was a shake of the hands between rival supporters and a; "See you at our place" or "See you next season". I still have lots of friends around the country that I met back in those days and those friendships have lasted since those days of meeting on the terraces at either OT or their home grounds.

The tribalism didn't really begin until the 70's and although football played a large part in it, there was also a hell of a lot of social change in the country that was probably the biggest factor.

In my day, you tended to gravitate each season from place to place in the ground as your size grew. There were times when I did move from one end of the ground to another, mainly because you wanted to be at the end where United scored the goals! But as I got older I used to opt for a place as near to the halfway line as I could, because it seemed to me to give me a better overall picture of the pattern of the game.
 
TomClare said:
He was still a part timer then - the actual game was in fact in late 1954 and as you said, the first three were Wood, Foulkes and Byrne. He didn't sign full time pro until January 1955 - and there was a really good reason why he delayed it so long - can anyone guess what that reason was?

Is it because only amateurs got picked for England in those days?
 
Foulkes wasn't too bad in goal either. I was at a United Liverpool game in the mid sixties and Gregg got injured and had to go a play out on the left wing (there were no subs then), at first Bobby Charlton was going to go in but Busby decided he needed him out on the field so Bill went in and I think David Herd went to centre half. Foulkes brought off a number of excellent saves but was beaten at the end by a Roger Hunt header (I think). Although we lost 1-0 it was Bill that got a standing ovation at the end - I agree with Tom he was one of the greats and it was somehow fitting he would score the decisive equalising goal against Real Madrid in 68 that got us into the European Final. Now there's a special night....but thats another story.
 
spinoza said:
Is it because only amateurs got picked for England in those days?

No nothing like that - it had to do with something reflecting that era - the time - and had to do with him working down the pit.
 
mista john said:
By smooching around the Web - I admit - I feel it's something to do with National Service commitments. Not sure what though!

Exactly right John. Whilst he worked in the pit, he was under what was then termed as a "protected trade' - but once he left that environment he had to serve 2 years National Service. And that is exactly what happened - he signed full time pro in january 1955 and reported for Army Duty in May of that same year.
 
TomClare said:
Back in those days there wasn't the tribalism between fans that you see today. It was all good natured banter and fans went to see a game of football. More often than not whether you had won or lost, there was a shake of the hands between rival supporters and a; "See you at our place" or "See you next season". I still have lots of friends around the country that I met back in those days and those friendships have lasted since those days of meeting on the terraces at either OT or their home grounds.

The tribalism didn't really begin until the 70's and although football played a large part in it, there was also a hell of a lot of social change in the country that was probably the biggest factor.

In my day, you tended to gravitate each season from place to place in the ground as your size grew. There were times when I did move from one end of the ground to another, mainly because you wanted to be at the end where United scored the goals! But as I got older I used to opt for a place as near to the halfway line as I could, because it seemed to me to give me a better overall picture of the pattern of the game.
I started going to OT in the 50's and always remember changing sides at reserve games but never at first team games. In those days at first team games used to stand in the Stretford End Paddock. As I got older progressed to the Stretford End proper in the early 60's and if my memory serves me right we were always chanting and singing way before 62.
Standing at the scoreboard end at the reserve games was always the best as the guy would slide those numbers in every few minutes to show how the first team was doing away. More eyes were on that scoreboard than on the game itself.
Had the opportunity to meet with Bill Foulkes in 2000 and although he was still a giant and hard as a rock he is a gentle man.
 
Another great post Tom.


I refuse to aknowledge the 'West Stand' for me it is the Stretford End, and i will always call it as such.... just like if some silly cnut ever decides to rename Old Trafford, I will stick with what I know and love.

Incidently I still call the East Stand the scoreboard end.... because that's what is....
 
Shane Bluck said:
Another great post Tom.


I refuse to aknowledge the 'West Stand' for me it is the Stretford End, and i will always call it as such.... just like if some silly cnut ever decides to rename Old Trafford, I will stick with what I know and love.

Incidently I still call the East Stand the scoreboard end.... because that's what is....


Couldn't agree with you more.
 
Back in the early 80s...

I was a regular in the Stretford end, in those days there was a fence down the centre of it seperating it into a North and South side.. or in reality a left and right side... I often went in the South side of the stand and used to get in there early as a kid and sit on the bar near the corner flag, poke my boney knees through the railings and stay there for the whole match.... as close to my heroes as possible...
One time we got there late, now when I say late, I mean 2pm for a 3pm KO, in those days the ground was getting full by 2pm, this was a combination of the fact you could get a pint in the ground, there was a quality pre match sing song.... and it was pay on the turnstiles... so if you got there too late... you may not get in...

Anyhow.. I arrived at 2pm, we were only playing Oxford United.. but there was no where that a short arse kid could see the game, and my usual spec on the bar near the corner flag had been snaffled long ago...
Our only option was to climb onto the roof of the toilets at the back of stand... up we got and had a right old party, we were black with dust as it was covered in shite up there, but I seem to recall we won 2-0 and climbed down happy, looking like a bunch of chimney sweeps...


One of the things I distinctly remember about going as a kid was...

52p return on the bus... 90p to get in... 25p for a programme and 50p for chips

£2.17 for the whole day out.... leaving me with £1.33 from my hard earned paper round...

How many kids can earn enough money to follow the lads today? That is a sad thought.... none of 'em can ever experience that joy...
 
Shane Bluck said:
Another great post Tom.


Incidently I still call the East Stand the scoreboard end.... because that's what is....

So do I..........

...........I have many happy memories of the scoreboard end "crew".:D