The Biggest Worry

gfactor86

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The past 11 seasons we have never had a problem with scoring goals, now we do :(

i no its only 5 games into the season, but West Brom,S'Land,Bolton,Boro SHOULDNT be games we have problems sticking a truck load of goals past.

I can't help but think that a couple of seasons ago we would have stuck 3/4 past each of them.


Come On United!!!! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
The biggest worry is that our squad is nowhere near as strong as Arsenal's, or Liverpool's.

They have back up for nearly every position, keeping players sharp, hungry and competitive. Giggs doesn't play his best because he doesn't have to, he'll start regardless.

Who do we have for back up? Chadwick and Phil Neville?

Fergie's trying to buy success. Ask Lazio, it doesn't work.

And now a couple of our best players are crocked, we are in deep shit.
 
Originally posted by cheeky munkee:
<strong>Who do we have for back up? Chadwick and Phil Neville?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Fortune! :p
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its not that long ago we finished almost 20 points clear whilst scoring over a hunfred goals in the season.
whats gone wrong, is the million dollar question.
a couple of things IMO:

not enough width, remember the treble winning season..how many times did Becks put the ball right on Yorkies head

Veron, not that hes too bad a player, but hes slowed the tempo of our game down to that of a seria A team. That might be good enough for Europe but not for the PL where we need to up the tempo. United play better when the games faster.

No quality backup. In the treble winning team, we could bring in Blomquist for Giggs, and Teddy/Ole for Yorke/Cole. Now we can bring in...errr..Forlan and Fortune? Im sure teams quake in their boots seeing them come on.

Tactics. will it be 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 week to week, no-one knows but Fergie. Its not doing some of the players good, the most blatantly obvious being Ruud.

Having a keeper whos injured half the time doesnt help either.

On the plus points, we've now got some foreign coaches at the club for fresh ideas, O'Shea has come through & we've signed Ferdinand, so this possibly could be our new long term CB partnership. If Fergie can convince the board to free some more cash, then use it wisely to beef the squad up a bit, hopefully things will start to improve again. But, of course we have to wait till January now for that!
 
Agree with GB. The 2 most important things missing right now are width and speed. Since a couple of years Becks has started drifting inside too much and gone are the days when he used to send in 20 - 30 excellent crosses from the wide right. Giggs, though crossing was not his forte, at least used to stretch defences. But now he gets confused as to where he is playing.

Speed is related to the above problem. If you don't have wing play, you don't have speed. It's alright trying to do fancy flicks in the opposite box, but when the opponents have time to regroup those flicks don't work. IMO we are trying the difficult way to get things done, while we can be really devastating playing the simple way we used to play a couple of years ago. Look at the Arses - simple passes with lots of speed. They remind me of Utd of old.

I am sure Fergie knows exactly what he is doing. Maybe he is looking at the long term rather than now. However it should be really frustrating for the likes of Ole and Butt who are putting in consistent performances but are overlooked time and time again.
 
Originally posted by MauritianRed:
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I am sure Fergie knows exactly what he is doing. Maybe he is looking at the long term rather than now. However it should be really frustrating for the likes of Ole and Butt who are putting in consistent performances but are overlooked time and time again.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Not to mention O'Shea and Carroll.
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good point about veron. i hadnt put my finger on that but i think it has an element of truth. veron rarely tries to plough through the middle of the midfield, when roys plagying we are relying on him to do that for the first time in a few years. scholesy does it when he's on his game. we looked too deep in central midfield last night.
the style or least 4-4-1-1 is designed with Europe in mind, so <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> if we dont get a good start in the CL with no Keane or Scholes or <img src="graemlins/nervous.gif" border="0" alt="[Nervous]" /> perish the thought who next, there are gonna be questions asked in awkward places.
and for you and me imagine THE ABU ZOMBIE PLAGUE
:eek: :eek: :eek:
giggs is increasingly relying on silvestre to do his get behind the defence.
itll take time for the coaches to get their ideas across. i hope its worth it. but theyll also bring knowledge of talent on the continent and Sth Am (not in the same way as Edwards mind) hence Ricardo.
during the summer i couldnt have cared less about the transfer window business. now i hate it and im sure a few agree.
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Man Utd why do u have to disgrace me make sure u don't give me heart attack against leed united
 
Too predictable. And we seemed to have stopped counter attacking. The way Arsenal play at the moment is exactly what we were like a few years back.
 
Thing is, you need pace to attack. How many of our players can realistically lead a counter attack? Silvestre and Giggs really... thats it.
 
And Beckham's deadly crosses seem to have been replaced by overly ambitious cross field balls.

<img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[No No]" /> We should keep it simple.
 
Amir and Curt are spot on. We need pace to attack but if we played the way Curt suggests (which i think most of us agree with) pace is not vital, just an added bonus. We need to start building attcks from midfield. All our midfielders should be comfortable on the ball and should be able to hold the ball and wait for the right moment to find the pass.
By doing this we would gain control of midfield, and if you have control of the midfield you control the game. All the best sides are built on excellent midfields. Real, Bayern, The Arse, Juve, Barca.
At the moment Becks seems to look for the long pass as soon as he gets the ball. I don't know whether this is a reation from the injury, he wants to avoid any sort of contact. We all know that he is one of the best passers in the game but why does he always have to look for the long difficult pass straightaway. We need more possession.
Quick break are great to watch but teams have realised that we have beaten many team by using the counter attack and are now not prepared to commit too many men forward. We need to learn how to break teams down again. To do that we need a eleven men on the pitch playing as a team and we need to keep possession and not give it away so easily
 
Originally posted by mu77:
<strong>lack of speed, depth, width.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's a little bit deeper than that but the sentiment is generally right, if you add teamwork to it
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Agree that the lack of speed is fatal. We used to score a lot of goals by some direct football or lightning counter-attack, but now it seems we are too content to keep 80% posesson, even if it means we pass the ball everywhere for 20 times without really entering the opponent's penalty area. With the lack of dribbler, quick movement and quick passing is the only way to break defences.
 
Originally posted by uranushk1:
<strong>With the lack of dribbler, quick movement and quick passing is the only way to break defences.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agreed. This is exactly what we've been best at. Quick one-touch passes and coordinated movements between our fowards and midfielders. We are just not doing this consistently anymore. I don't know why but we often seem to be too content keeping the possession in deep midfield.
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