The 4th Sheep Draft - R16 Voting - Thread 1

Which 4 teams do you think should progress to the Quarter Finals?

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The Stain

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@P-Nut0712
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My team is based on the current United side but a mirror image. Carlos playing the Valencia role. Lahm playing the Blind role etc.

The strongest sections of my team would be Robben overlapping Iniesta in a super hyped up version of Mata and Valencia on our current side.

Rio and Ramos are as quick a pair of CBs as you will find much like Smalling and Bailly, however I've now added a degree of playmaking from the back from either cb.

Redondo is Carrick on steroids. Masopust was a player I didn't know much about but everything I read about him makes him sound like the perfect player to take on the harrying role of Herrera. And I've got peak Yaya performing the Pogba role and adding goals from midfield.

Robben will provide the same pace and dribling that we saw from Martial last year and Suarez is one of the few strikers I felt would be able to provide the same X-factor as Ibra.

Also Yashin for DDG is perfect.

Mostly modern day side that will all go down as greats of their era combined with some classic players whose quality can't be denied.
@Cal?
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4: starting with the only defender ever to win the Fifa World player of the Year - Fabio Cannavaro, partnering Jurgen Kohler, who has won everything there is to win in football and has over 100 caps for Germany. On either side, are Patrice Evra and Gary Neville, 2 of the best fullbacks around the world in the last decades.

2: The DM position is vital for this formation and Gennaro Gattuso was a key player in the CL winning Milan sides in the 00s, next to him, Luka Modric takes his usual Real Madrid position as the link between the defense and the attack.

3: Cristiano Ronaldo, one of the best players ever, along with Kaka & Neymar, probably the 2 best Brazilian players this millennium, provide the interchanging, fast paced attack, behind...

1: Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Premier League viewers have only witnessed his greatness this season, one of the best lone strikers.
@RedTiger @Peyroteo
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https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-fourth-redcafe-sheep-draft.426729/page-86#post-20577566
@Chesterlestreet
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D. Zoff: GK
B. Vogts: RB. Conservative. Holds back where his counterpart on the left attacks. Reminiscent of his role for the national team.
W. Rijsbergen: CB. Stopper. No-nonsense defending.
A. Ondruš: CB. Allrounder.
G. Facchetti: LB. Offensive.
Zito: DM/CM. Fairly conservative. Good, effective passer.
A. Haan: DM. Conservative. Will hold and shield. Drops down when required, keeps an eye on his left flank.
G. Rivera: AM. Playmaker. Specialist passer (long and short).
Z. Boniek: Left winger nominally. In reality he roams across the attacking third (his natural game for Juventus).
G. Lato: Right winger nominally. In reality he will frequently make runs into the box to use his qualities as a finisher (feet and head).
J. Altafini: Striker. Finisher. Will stay in or near the box.

General idea: Let Facchetti and Boniek play their natural game(s). Vogts and Haan are given roles with this in mind. The overall approach is cautious, but the team is set up to attack with abandon (and great speed) whenever the ball is recovered.

Subs: E. Gerets, Francisco Sá, D. De Rossi.

For those unfamiliar with Ondruš, here's a useful link (credit to Bepo): https://www.redcafe.net/threads/beh...raft-1-8-matches.425283/page-29#post-20366324

Good luck to all managers.
 
@Enigma_87
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PLAYERS PROFILES:

Formation: 4-3-3 (false 9)
Style: direct, controlling the tempo and most of the possession.

Some player roles:
Eusebio - as a false 9 - dropping deeper making space for Best and Ronaldinho to come inside, drag opposition CB's out of position, while of course scoring goals himself.
Godin - rugged stopper
Vasovic - complete defender / sweeper
Vidal - making late runs in the box or shooting from distance(hence the arrow in attack a bit more central).
Tigana and Vidal - protecting the flanks when Reuter/Krol overlap.
Xavi - central position - playmaker, heartbeat of the team, control the tempo, look for openings get the ball to the attacking trio.

Key points:
- Excellent defensive line composed of two overlapping full backs (Reuter/Krol) with abundance of pace.
- Complimentary (Vasovic/Godin) pair
- Midfield full of energy(Tigana/Vidal), playmaking ability (Xavi), eye for a goal (Vidal). Excellent passers and capable of providing defensive cover and also participating in the build up.
- One of the best finishers in the game (Eusebio), flanked by trickery and pace from one of the best winger/wide forwards in the game (Ronaldinho/Best).
@Pat_Mustard
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- The full backs Burgnich and Pavoni are defenders first and foremost, although Pavoni can be expected to join the attack more often with Burgnich generally holding the fort. Matthews ahead of him will have the beating of most left backs by himself.
- Scholes is in his later-career DLP incarnation, with Tardelli as his dynamic, ball-winning foil.
- Cruyff has complete freedom to roam and orchestrate when we're in possession.

KEY STRENGTHS: No sheep and no players out of position. A rugged, uncompromising defence, with top-notch distribution from deep through Hierro and Scholes. One of the very greatest players of all-time in Cruyff orchestrating the attack. Two prolific goalscorers in Cruyff and Spencer, and mulitiple routes to goal, with Cruyff's creativity through the centre and two wingers to service the aerial beast Spencer.
@Šjor Bepo
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Tactics and Player Profiles:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-fourth-redcafe-sheep-draft.426729/page-86#post-20576435
@DavidG

TACTICS AND INSTRUCTIONS

4-2-3-1

1. Buffon- Just be GIGI ( Captain )
2. Dani Alves- provide outlet on right when JJ cuts inside, but focus more defensively.
3. Jarni- Same as Alves but on the left and linking with Overmars
4. Thiago Silva- Rock
5. Ayala- Rock
6. Makelele- Will play the role named after himself, one of the best in history at it.
8. Edwards- box to box, speed, strength, eye for a pass and for goal.
7. Johnstone- The lord of the wing. Messi level dribbling and given freedom to do his thing.
11. Overmars. Pace, dribbling, runs in behind, on peak form a nightmare for any full back/covering centre back
10. Schiaffino- Uruguay's finest ever player, playmaking and utilising the winger's pace in behind and Jardel's finishing prowess.
9. Jardel- The system and player's will see him perform at his best. Will undoubtedly be supplied with an abundance of chances.
 
@Damien @Invictus @Mciahel Goodman

Could one of you guys make the poll?

It should be 8 options with a maximum of 4 votes/responses.

Title: Which 4 teams do you think should progress to the Quarter Finals?

The 8 voting options:

P-Nut0712
Cal?
RedTiger/Peyroteo
Chesterlestreet
Enigma_87
Pat_Mustard
Šjor Bepo
DavidG
 
The Stain said:
@Damien @Invictus @Mciahel Goodman

Could one of you guys make the poll?

It should be 8 options with a maximum of 4 votes/responses.

Title: Which 4 teams do you think should progress to the Quarter Finals?

The 8 voting options:

P-Nut0712
Cal?
RedTiger/Peyroteo
Chesterlestreet
Enigma_87
Pat_Mustard
Šjor Bepo
DavidG
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I've given you the ability to create your own polls.

Thread Tools (top right) > Add Poll
 
Done.

EDIT: Nice! The Stain can add polls now. :)
 
voted enigma and pat, for other two votes im considering chester and red tiger.....btw did Costacurta ever played as a leftback?
 
Man, there are some really good sides in there. I'm not sure who I should vote for as the 4 to go through...

The only way I can pick 4 teams is if I start becoming picky over the minor details. There's no other way to separate these teams otherwise.
 
Šjor Bepo said:
btw did Costacurta ever played as a leftback?
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He has made a few appearances there as well as in the midfield, though those are sporadic when compared to his appeareances as a central defender. However, under Sacchi, the back line is quite fluid, and you will find instances where the full back plays as a central defender, the wide midfielder as a full back, etc. Having said that, I don't think Costacurta is going to be too comfortable sticking to the left back role.
 
Enigma's side is clearly the best out of the lot. What a perfectly balanced, complementary side it is, and it's filled with quality everywhere! :drool:
 
mazhar13 said:
Enigma's side is clearly the best out of the lot. What a perfectly balanced, complementary side it is, and it's filled with quality everywhere! :drool:
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Insane side, one or two upgrades and its final ready.
 
Šjor Bepo said:
Insane side, one or two upgrades and its final ready.
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I really see no weaknesses in the current side, but if I had to be picky, they might need a dedicated holding player in case they face teams with a GOAT #10. Other than that, though, Enigma's side should be the favourite to win the whole thing.
 
mazhar13 said:
I really see no weaknesses in the current side, but if I had to be picky, they might need a dedicated holding player in case they face teams with a GOAT #10. Other than that, though, Enigma's side should be the favourite to win the whole thing.
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TBH i love that midfield, would upgrade for the same/similar type only :) Other then that, Reuter is a bit meh compared to others so id upgrade that part of the team, someone who can dominate the whole flank as both Dinho and Ringo love to drift inside.
 
Are there actually any sheep in any of these 8 teams? All seem ridiculously strong from a quick glance and hard to separate. It's almost impossible to criticise teams in an all time GOAT draft like this without really nitpicking on a very minor point here and there. Especially in a round like this where there's no tactics involved and you can't even pit different systems against each other.
 
bleezy said:
Are there actually any sheep in any of these 8 teams? All seem ridiculously strong from a quick glance and hard to separate. It's almost impossible to criticise teams in an all time GOAT draft like this without really nitpicking on a very minor point here and there. Especially in a round like this where there's no tactics involved and you can't even pit different systems against each other.
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All the sheeps are on the bench here.

Tough choice. Still possible I change one of my selected teams.
 
I don't like the fact that P-Nut's team isn't getting much love. The whole team is well-built, and everyone's weaknesses are suppressed by their teammates. Ramos' hotheadedness is complemented by Rio's and Lahm's composure. Masopust, Roberto Carlos, Redondo and Yaya Touré all work perfectly with each other. Iniesta as the inside left can combine excellently with Bobby C and Suarez. Robben on the right is always a huge threat.

It's a shock that P-Nut's team only has 3 votes so far.
 
Out of interest how many voters are we attracting thus far? Cracking sides lads so hard to separate. Kept changing my vote
 
mazhar13 said:
I don't like the fact that P-Nut's team isn't getting much love. The whole team is well-built, and everyone's weaknesses are suppressed by their teammates. Ramos' hotheadedness is complemented by Rio's and Lahm's composure. Masopust, Roberto Carlos, Redondo and Yaya Touré all work perfectly with each other. Iniesta as the inside left can combine excellently with Bobby C and Suarez. Robben on the right is always a huge threat.

It's a shock that P-Nut's team only has 3 votes so far.
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Totally agree for me it was a shoe in and one I didn't have to think about twice. Can only imagine Ramos is being underrated again as that side is brilliant.
 
mazhar13 said:
I don't like the fact that P-Nut's team isn't getting much love. The whole team is well-built, and everyone's weaknesses are suppressed by their teammates. Ramos' hotheadedness is complemented by Rio's and Lahm's composure. Masopust, Roberto Carlos, Redondo and Yaya Touré all work perfectly with each other. Iniesta as the inside left can combine excellently with Bobby C and Suarez. Robben on the right is always a huge threat.

It's a shock that P-Nut's team only has 3 votes so far.
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I'm not even going to argue the point. All the teams are great so it's just coming down to personal preference and there's not much for me to say to promote my team. Everyone knows how it's meant to work, the players are players everyone knows so it's down to whether or not they like it

EDIT: Also can managers vote?

EDIT 2: How do I link to the post I made in the other one on my phone?
 
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@P-Nut0712 you can vote but if you vote for your own team it doesnt count.

btw pat, you combined my 2 favorite players in your team:drool:
 
I thought managers involved in this thread wouldn't vote. As you already have you can but it's not necessary.
 
mazhar13 said:
I really see no weaknesses in the current side, but if I had to be picky, they might need a dedicated holding player in case they face teams with a GOAT #10. Other than that, though, Enigma's side should be the favourite to win the whole thing.
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Thanks mate, appreciate every input for my team. I thought initially about having a holding player, but essentially I can sacrifice Tigana's box to box and put him at holding where he has played a lot and is appreciated in that role. I wanted two box to box(a bit like RedTiger/Peyroteo side) players to compliment Xavi, bring dynamism to the midfield(not that Xavi is lacking) and let him run the show, while at the same time protect the flanks. Both Vidal and Tigana are very close to what I wanted to pick in those roles. Both can press and stifle a GOAT #10 game, when needed, rather than dedicate a player on a man mark job, who as good as he will be - there still would be question marks if he faces Maradona, Pele, Platini, Zico, etc. I've went for more team effort in defending hence the two box to box midfielders in this set up, and 3 runners/dribblers up front with a great movement and scoring ability.

Šjor Bepo said:
TBH i love that midfield, would upgrade for the same/similar type only :) Other then that, Reuter is a bit meh compared to others so id upgrade that part of the team, someone who can dominate the whole flank as both Dinho and Ringo love to drift inside.
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Cheers, mate. Reuter is really good in both phases and excellent in one on ones, but more importantly I was looking for 2 very fast full backs that can cover a lot of ground. If I go forward upgrades would be a bit more difficult for me as I most probably have to make some changes to the team to implement new players and I expect the reinforcement rounds to be a bit of challenge. While your team is looking also great - setting the stage for Maradona - and would be easier to upgrade with like for like changes in the starting line up.

All teams look quality, I'm surprised @P-Nut0712 one is trailing a bit(probably due to Ramos and Yaya in that role) but the quality in his starting eleven consist of star players all across and very complimentary pairings.

@DavidG side also looks really balanced - can't fault any of his choices. Probably the lack of more household names is the reason why he's also trailing. The chemistry however is looking very good across the lines.
 
Joint 2nd last with our easy of the favourite teams I've drafted!
 
Šjor Bepo said:
@P-Nut0712 you can vote but if you vote for your own team it doesnt count.

btw pat, you combined my 2 favorite players in your team:drool:
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Ah cheers so no point then really. Do you know how to link to the write up I did in the main thread.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Thanks mate, appreciate every input for my team. I thought initially about having a holding player, but essentially I can sacrifice Tigana's box to box and put him at holding where he has played a lot and is appreciated in that role. I wanted two box to box(a bit like RedTiger/Peyroteo side) players to compliment Xavi, bring dynamism to the midfield(not that Xavi is lacking) and let him run the show, while at the same time protect the flanks. Both Vidal and Tigana are very close to what I wanted to pick in those roles. Both can press and stifle a GOAT #10 game, when needed, rather than dedicate a player on a man mark job, who as good as he will be - there still would be question marks if he faces Maradona, Pele, Platini, Zico, etc. I've went for more team effort in defending hence the two box to box midfielders in this set up, and 3 runners/dribblers up front with a great movement and scoring ability.



Cheers, mate. Reuter is really good in both phases and excellent in one on ones, but more importantly I was looking for 2 very fast full backs that can cover a lot of ground. If I go forward upgrades would be a bit more difficult for me as I most probably have to make some changes to the team to implement new players and I expect the reinforcement rounds to be a bit of challenge. While your team is looking also great - setting the stage for Maradona - and would be easier to upgrade with like for like changes in the starting line up.

All teams look quality, I'm surprised @P-Nut0712 one is trailing a bit(probably due to Ramos and Yaya in that role) but the quality in his starting eleven consist of star players all across and very complimentary pairings.

@DavidG side also looks really balanced - can't fault any of his choices. Probably the lack of more household names is the reason why he's also trailing. The chemistry however is looking very good across the lines.
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Yep, it does lack the big names and the defence doesn't have a patch on some others. The midfield 5 though is as good as it gets for chemistry in a 4-2-3-1.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Cheers, mate. Reuter is really good in both phases and excellent in one on ones, but more importantly I was looking for 2 very fast full backs that can cover a lot of ground. If I go forward upgrades would be a bit more difficult for me as I most probably have to make some changes to the team to implement new players and I expect the reinforcement rounds to be a bit of challenge. While your team is looking also great - setting the stage for Maradona - and would be easier to upgrade with like for like changes in the starting line up.
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Reuter is a good pick and good fit it wasnt a criticism but when you have pretty much a team full of GOATs(which is insane) then Stefan Reuter looks a bit odd in that side :)
 
DavidG said:
Yep, it does lack the big names and the defence doesn't have a patch on some others. The midfield 5 though is as good as it gets for chemistry in a 4-2-3-1.
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You got my vote mate. It doesn't have superstar names but that team would perform well above their level. You'd be pushed back against the more skilled teams with midfield threes and stronger passers but that would make Duncan and Makelele worth their weight. While the pace from Overmars and Johnstone on the counter with Schiaffino would be cause troubles every time you won the ball back.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Thanks mate, appreciate every input for my team. I thought initially about having a holding player, but essentially I can sacrifice Tigana's box to box and put him at holding where he has played a lot and is appreciated in that role. I wanted two box to box(a bit like RedTiger/Peyroteo side) players to compliment Xavi, bring dynamism to the midfield(not that Xavi is lacking) and let him run the show, while at the same time protect the flanks. Both Vidal and Tigana are very close to what I wanted to pick in those roles. Both can press and stifle a GOAT #10 game, when needed, rather than dedicate a player on a man mark job, who as good as he will be - there still would be question marks if he faces Maradona, Pele, Platini, Zico, etc. I've went for more team effort in defending hence the two box to box midfielders in this set up, and 3 runners/dribblers up front with a great movement and scoring ability.
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Yeah, that's what I was envisioning when you were building your side, but having said that, it'll still be difficult to handle the GOAT #10's unless you have one positionally disciplined, controlled midfielder and one energetic ball winner. Whilst Tigana and Vidal are great foils for Xavi, both are sort of similar in their approach, and with Reuter on the right, there's a little bit of vulnerability at the back against a great team with a GOAT #10.

However, that's just me, though. I still love your team, and on the ball, it has enough to stifle the opposition and prevent the opposing team from taking control of the match.
 
Šjor Bepo said:
Reuter is a good pick and good fit it wasnt a criticism but when you have pretty much a team full of GOATs(which is insane) then Stefan Reuter looks a bit odd in that side :)
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Yes, he's more of a workhorse in this side currently. :)

mazhar13 said:
Yeah, that's what I was envisioning when you were building your side, but having said that, it'll still be difficult to handle the GOAT #10's unless you have one positionally disciplined, controlled midfielder and one energetic ball winner. Whilst Tigana and Vidal are great foils for Xavi, both are sort of similar in their approach, and with Reuter on the right, there's a little bit of vulnerability at the back against a great team with a GOAT #10.

However, that's just me, though. I still love your team, and on the ball, it has enough to stifle the opposition and prevent the opposing team from taking control of the match.
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Cheers mate, thanks for the kind words. Yeah I think there are many awesome teams so it will be down to personal preference next round. It depends on the setup but I can also try Tigana there - he has the needed credentials and is a really top player. Redondo was who I was pinning up for but he was a hot commodity and outside my reach so when the opportunity for Vidal came in the swap round was an easy choice.
oneniltothearsenal said:
You can't face Zico, he exploded :(
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You never know what anto and the stain will be up to in the reinforcements.
 
mazhar13 said:
Enigma's side is clearly the best out of the lot. What a perfectly balanced, complementary side it is, and it's filled with quality everywhere! :drool:
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I've got to admit, I was fecking delighted when we decided to go ahead with this group stage instead of the traditional round of 16 matches as I'd drawn Enigma :lol:. Brilliant team, and a shoo in to progress here without question.
 
I find it very hard to pick four teams here. Too much quality all over the place.

I'm keen on the new format, as such, but looking at these teams I think anto's idea (posted the other day) is the thing to try out in the future: Have four groups of five and pick two winners. I can pick a winner here, but separating between 2 and 8 isn't the easiest task.

The general quality of the sides makes it even harder, obviously, plus the baaamboozle feel (I don't feel like I'm voting for a fine effort nor against a poor one).

Still, I remain positive about this «pruning» feature. Get this stage out of the way quickly and then hopefully have some lively and good q-f match threads.
 
mazhar13 said:
I don't like the fact that P-Nut's team isn't getting much love. The whole team is well-built, and everyone's weaknesses are suppressed by their teammates. Ramos' hotheadedness is complemented by Rio's and Lahm's composure. Masopust, Roberto Carlos, Redondo and Yaya Touré all work perfectly with each other. Iniesta as the inside left can combine excellently with Bobby C and Suarez. Robben on the right is always a huge threat.

It's a shock that P-Nut's team only has 3 votes so far.
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Agree, probably my favourite team of the lot.
 
Enigma and P-Nut's teams were the easy picks for me, added Bepo and Pat after some deliberation.
 
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