The ‘Manchester United (don’t) Get Every Decision’ 22/23 Thread

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Born of a heated debate with a City fan yesterday, who couldn’t believe that I didn’t agree that United get ‘every’ decision !

He raised the Sabitzer tackle, but was unaware and disinterested, in Andy Carroll’s behaviour. He raised the City goal but had no idea about Weghorst’s goal against Leeds. Claimed that Casemiro slapped Will Hughes ?

I know most fans feel their club is dealt an unfair hand by referees but in my opinion we are the one club where any decision that goes our way and is debatable is debated in the media, while any decision that goes against us is brushed under the carpet.

Therefore I can totally understand how the view of opposing fans is formed, you only know what you know.

Can people provide incidents where big decisions have gone against us or been ignored here, to balance out the nonsense we get from opposing fans who are only made aware in the media of any decisions we do get.

off the top of my head recently :-

Andy Carroll scissors on Eriksen that didn’t get a booking for a worse tackle than Sabitzer
Weghorst goal against Leeds not reviewed, what if we miss out on top four by one goal in goal diff ?
AWB penalty v Arsenal
Bruno penalty v Arsenal
McT pen v Palace
Martinez getting elbowed in the head v Palace.
 
Fans of every club believe refs are against them and give favourable decisions to rivals

The match threads on here are becoming unbearable lately with the constant moaning about refs and the rawkish conspiracies thrown around
 
Even complete randoms believe this to be true, mainly because when we get a decision our way it’s literally the only thing they talk about on the usual outlets like MOTD.
 
There’s a Liverpool fan at work and all he talks about the day after a United game is how United got various favourable decisions.
He‘s convinced that United are only doing better now because Howard Webb is head of referees.
I find it best not to talk to him about football as the saying ‘You can’t argue with an idiot’ has never been truer than when talking to a Liverpool fan. Or a City fan.
 
I had a look at one of thsoe VARless tables.

1. City
2. Arsenal
3. Utd





9. Chelsea
10. Liverpool


Swings and roudnabouts with refs and VAR decisions. But in the end, the table doesn't really lie.
 
Part of it is survivorship bias.

If a decision goes against us we are usually good enough to win anyway so people see it as not mattering much or don’t even remember it.

If a decision goes for us it’s likely in the favour of a team that might only get one or two chances per game and it creates a ‘what if’ scenario in someone’s head.
 
OldSchoolManc said:
There’s a Liverpool fan at work and all he talks about the day after a United game is how United got various favourable decisions.
He‘s convinced that United are only doing better now because Howard Webb is head of referees.
I find it best not to talk to him about football as the saying ‘You can’t argue with an idiot’ has never been truer than when talking to a Liverpool fan. Or a City fan.
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Music to my ears.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
Fans of every club believe refs are against them and give favourable decisions to rivals

The match threads on here are becoming unbearable lately with the constant moaning about refs and the rawkish conspiracies thrown around
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Weird way to think about the last 10 years
 
Oranges038 said:
I had a look at one of thsoe VARless tables.

1. City
2. Arsenal
3. Utd





9. Chelsea
10. Liverpool


Swings and roudnabouts with refs and VAR decisions. But in the end, the table doesn't really lie.
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This basically matches their position in the league table. It doesn’t prove anything other than if you create more chances you’re more likely to have VAR making decisions.
 
OldSchoolManc said:
There’s a Liverpool fan at work and all he talks about the day after a United game is how United got various favourable decisions.
He‘s convinced that United are only doing better now because Howard Webb is head of referees.
I find it best not to talk to him about football as the saying ‘You can’t argue with an idiot’ has never been truer than when talking to a Liverpool fan. Or a City fan.
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This is what football is about

Watching your fiercest fan rivals going slowly mad when your team is doing better. In their smooth brains they can't comprehend that all the league already figured out klopp, their fullbacks are slow and no longer the unpredictable force they use to be (really i be fumming if we didn't upgrade on players that fell so hard in form for more than a year now).

They cant grasp the reality that utd made the right decision for once going for a great leader with fresh ideas and a man that can make players punch above their weight.

As we progress under ETH, our rivals will slowly crawl back to their caves in an schizophrenic murmur blaming the refs and the FA conspiracies which want to see utd back at the top, because its impossible that our recent form is due only to footballing reasons

And we are going to love it :devil:
 
It used to be true when we had SAF patrolling the touchline. The relentless pressure and pace of the game from the players on the pitch plus the spectre of Ferguson meant referees probably did give us decisions.

Now though, its turned the other way. There is a big problem in general with the level of refereeing in England currently but the media spin on us means referees are very careful to give anything in our favour, whilst anything wrongly given against us is essentially a freebie.
 
Theres too many debatqble situations in football for every decision to be correct so people will always be able to pivk and choose incidents to suit their agenda.

It's only the ones where they invent the rules as they go or manipulate/ignore VAR footage that make me suspicious. So in our favour the goal vs City I would say is on very dodgy ground, but then on the flip side the Casemiro red card was even worse and the Rashford disallowed goal vs Reading just days after allowing a Salah goal for the exact same thing. Same with the Weghorst goal. All decisions that were either factually wrong on available evidence at the time, or where the rules got changed in the middle of the game. Less of a fuss is made though in the case of the ones against ud because we still won all those games. If they'd have cost us points I suspect Ten Hag would have made sure everyone knew about it.

To be honest Liverpool fans can't say a thing because that cup game vs Wolves was genuinely worthy of an independent investigation into the officiating. They're just so shite they went out in the next round anyway. And City have literally been allowed to just ignore the rules for 10 years and only now getting pulled up because of outside pressure on the people who were meant to be enforcing them.

I remember Allardyce sending a dossier to the FA of all the bad decisions against Bolton...when you lose most weeks it's much easier to get angry at the refereeing and think it's all set up against you. If the same bad decision means you beat Leeds 2-0 instead of 3-0, you're not exactly going to be in a fit of rage or spend time collating conspiracy evidence.
 
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Trying to argue United don't get every decision by bringing up a list of decisions we haven't gotten is lunacy.

The most rational thing to do is say the truth, which is that decisions go for and against all teams in the league. There's more scrutiny on the bigger teams, like there is in all aspects (transfers, off field issues, first on MOTD, games chosen for TV), which is why you get phrases like LiVARpool and why everyone thinks you don't get penalties at Olf Trafford.

If the person refuses to accept that's not true, they're not rational and there's no point speaking to them about it.
 
there is a lot of cognitive dissonance at play here surely

most fans think their own club get decisions going against them so there must be a reason for that

I'm convinced that, given the same scenario both for and against United, I'll have a different opinion on the matter

I guess there must be some sort of evolutionary reason our brains behave this way
 
Every team gets bad decisons, but it definitely feels like ones that go in our favour are discussed and debated endlessly in the media, whereas there’s nowhere near the same energy if something’s gone against us. BT and Sky were still going on about the Bruno goal against City two weeks later for gods sake.
 
Tarrou said:
there is a lot of cognitive dissonance at play here surely

most fans think their own club get decisions going against them so there must be a reason for that

I'm convinced that, given the same scenario both for and against United, I'll have a different opinion on the matter

I guess there must be some sort of evolutionary reason our brains behave this way
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According to my eyes the goal is clearly smaller when United is taking a penalty than when an opposition player does. This holds true for penalty shootouts, where both teams use the same goal. That would be an impressive conspiracy.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
Fans of every club believe refs are against them and give favourable decisions to rivals

The match threads on here are becoming unbearable lately with the constant moaning about refs and the rawkish conspiracies thrown around
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Did you bother to read the op :rolleyes:
 
Bubz27 said:
Trying to argue United don't get every decision by bringing up a list of decisions we haven't gotten is lunacy.

The most rational thing to do is say the truth, which is that decisions go for and against all teams in the league. There's more scrutiny on the bigger teams, like there is in all aspects (transfers, off field issues, first on MOTD, games chosen for TV), which is why you get phrases like LiVARpool and why everyone thinks you don't get penalties at Olf Trafford.

If the person refuses to accept that's not true, they're not rational and there's no point speaking to them about it.
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How does that work?
 
Jeppers7 said:
Born of a heated debate with a City fan yesterday, who couldn’t believe that I didn’t agree that United get ‘every’ decision !

He raised the Sabitzer tackle, but was unaware and disinterested, in Andy Carroll’s behaviour. He raised the City goal but had no idea about Weghorst’s goal against Leeds. Claimed that Casemiro slapped Will Hughes ?

I know most fans feel their club is dealt an unfair hand by referees but in my opinion we are the one club where any decision that goes our way and is debatable is debated in the media, while any decision that goes against us is brushed under the carpet.

Therefore I can totally understand how the view of opposing fans is formed, you only know what you know.

Can people provide incidents where big decisions have gone against us or been ignored here, to balance out the nonsense we get from opposing fans who are only made aware in the media of any decisions we do get.

off the top of my head recently :-

Andy Carroll scissors on Eriksen that didn’t get a booking for a worse tackle than Sabitzer
Weghorst goal against Leeds not reviewed, what if we miss out on top four by one goal in goal diff ?
AWB penalty v Arsenal
Bruno penalty v Arsenal
McT pen v Palace
Martinez getting elbowed in the head v Palace.
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Can’t remember most of these but Bruno’s was a blatant dive vs Arsenal.

Who cares, they talk about us because we are a threat. Good chance we have a more successful season than City.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
Fans of every club believe refs are against them and give favourable decisions to rivals

The match threads on here are becoming unbearable lately with the constant moaning about refs and the rawkish conspiracies thrown around
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I don't think the refs are for or against man utd, the mistakes are even out over the long run
 
United v Real Sociedad: outrageous handball decision on Martinez resulting in a penalty and win for Sociedad.
Hence Sociedad top the group, we have to play two extra games against Barca, including three days before the Carabao Cup final.
 
Here are some more:

United v Arsenal:
- Jesus: should be clear red card for deliberately kicking Martinez
- Ben White: possible red card for trying to kick Rashford after his second goal
- Lokonga: possible red card for foul on Fernandes

United v Newcastle:
- Longstaff foul on Sancho: should be a penalty for United
- Tripper foul on Ronaldo: should be a penalty for United

United v Reading:
- Andy Carroll foul on Eriksen: clear red card, no card given
 
I find this entire mindset hilarious. As is the notion that only fans of other clubs are biased and have no idea what they're talking about. Football fans are all the same. Well apart from Ajax fans, they're all delusional cnuts who think they invented football.

I think big clubs usually get the benefit of the doubt slightly more often than smaller clubs simply because of the pressure put on a ref.
 
Josep Dowling said:
This basically matches their position in the league table. It doesn’t prove anything other than if you create more chances you’re more likely to have VAR making decisions.
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Exactly.

It proves you can complain about referees and decisions all you like. But in the long run in the table you are where you deserve to be.

No point complaining about a missed penalty here or a red card there or an offside in a big match if you are going and getting hockeyed by Brighton or Brentford.
 
The thing is if you win nobody gives a shit if decisions went against you, so they won't talk about them, unless they're using it as an example to have a go at VAR at a later date.
 
Jeppers7 said:
How does that work?
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It turns into a petty back and forth, as evidenced by your OP.

Do you honestly feel that you'll convince that city fan if you have ten examples from this season? Or twenty examples from the last two seasons?

It's not an argument either wins. And I like I said, if they're rational they'll agree everyone gets decisions for and against. If they're not, they won't. And you'll know who not to bother speaking to about it and who you can speak about it with.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
This entire thread is your agenda. Every club has had bad decisions but that Bruno one specifically was a pathetic dive and I wouldn’t use that to argue a case of VAR is against us.
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If you read the OP, this is not the purpose of the thread…..as previously stated ‘this is your agenda’ :wenger:
 
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